YASBL -- Yet Another Swift Boat Liar, Larry Odell.

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Another Not So Swift Lying Liar, Larry Odell's reality check just bounced. From Reuters
Vietnam Vet Says Has No Proof for Claim Kerry Lied
Sun Aug 22, 2004 07:08 PM ET


WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A veteran who disputed Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry's Vietnam war record acknowledged on Sunday he had no proof to back his charge that Kerry fabricated the reports of enemy fire that won him two medals.

Speaking on "Fox News Sunday," Van Odell, a member of the group Swift Boat Veterans for Truth that has spearheaded a campaign against Kerry's service record, said his was one of seven eyewitness accounts and he was not being directed by President Bush's campaign.

He has charged that then Navy Lt. Kerry, a Swift boat commander, fabricated the "after-action" report saying he faced enemy fire on March 13, 1969, for which he was awarded the Bronze Star and his third Purple Heart for being wounded while pulling a fellow soldier to safety.

"I do not have a single document," Odell said.. "I have the fact that I wasn't wounded in that 5,000 meters of fire that he wrote about."

"There was no enemy fire from either bank," he added.

The assertion was another broadside in a debate that has been raging for weeks, and with at least one CBS poll showing the issue cutting into Kerry's support among veterans, the Massachusetts senator has accused the group of collaborating with the Bush campaign and demanded Bush repudiate the ads.

Odell said he had met with Republican strategist Merrie Spaeth, a public relations consultant to his group, and once bought a home from Bob Perry, a large Republican donor from Texas and close associate of Karl Rove, the president's chief political adviser.
Like all the other swift liars, he knows it was the way he tells it, but he can't produce a single piece of evidence. :cool:
 

Riprorin

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According to O'Neill, "Odell was the gunner on top of the Chenowith boat. These boats had .50 caliber machine guns on the very top of the boat. Odell was the guy on the Chenowith boat who sprayed the left bank until it became obvious that there was no return fire. He had the best view of the entire scene."

What sort of additional "proof" are you looking for?
 

351Cleveland

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Originally posted by: Harvey
Another Not So Swift Lying Liar, Larry Odell's reality check just bounced. From Reuters
Vietnam Vet Says Has No Proof for Claim Kerry Lied
Sun Aug 22, 2004 07:08 PM ET


WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A veteran who disputed Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry's Vietnam war record acknowledged on Sunday he had no proof to back his charge that Kerry fabricated the reports of enemy fire that won him two medals.

Speaking on "Fox News Sunday," Van Odell, a member of the group Swift Boat Veterans for Truth that has spearheaded a campaign against Kerry's service record, said his was one of seven eyewitness accounts and he was not being directed by President Bush's campaign.

He has charged that then Navy Lt. Kerry, a Swift boat commander, fabricated the "after-action" report saying he faced enemy fire on March 13, 1969, for which he was awarded the Bronze Star and his third Purple Heart for being wounded while pulling a fellow soldier to safety.

"I do not have a single document," Odell said.. "I have the fact that I wasn't wounded in that 5,000 meters of fire that he wrote about."

"There was no enemy fire from either bank," he added.

The assertion was another broadside in a debate that has been raging for weeks, and with at least one CBS poll showing the issue cutting into Kerry's support among veterans, the Massachusetts senator has accused the group of collaborating with the Bush campaign and demanded Bush repudiate the ads.

Odell said he had met with Republican strategist Merrie Spaeth, a public relations consultant to his group, and once bought a home from Bob Perry, a large Republican donor from Texas and close associate of Karl Rove, the president's chief political adviser.
Like all the other swift liars, he knows it was the way he tells it, but he can't produce a single piece of evidence. :cool:

Without judging the validity of his statement, I really doubt he stopped to type up a memo right then and there. What sort of "proof" are you expecting him to have besides his personal observations?
 

Riprorin

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Originally posted by: 351Cleveland
Originally posted by: Harvey
Another Not So Swift Lying Liar, Larry Odell's reality check just bounced. From Reuters
Vietnam Vet Says Has No Proof for Claim Kerry Lied
Sun Aug 22, 2004 07:08 PM ET


WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A veteran who disputed Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry's Vietnam war record acknowledged on Sunday he had no proof to back his charge that Kerry fabricated the reports of enemy fire that won him two medals.

Speaking on "Fox News Sunday," Van Odell, a member of the group Swift Boat Veterans for Truth that has spearheaded a campaign against Kerry's service record, said his was one of seven eyewitness accounts and he was not being directed by President Bush's campaign.

He has charged that then Navy Lt. Kerry, a Swift boat commander, fabricated the "after-action" report saying he faced enemy fire on March 13, 1969, for which he was awarded the Bronze Star and his third Purple Heart for being wounded while pulling a fellow soldier to safety.

"I do not have a single document," Odell said.. "I have the fact that I wasn't wounded in that 5,000 meters of fire that he wrote about."

"There was no enemy fire from either bank," he added.

The assertion was another broadside in a debate that has been raging for weeks, and with at least one CBS poll showing the issue cutting into Kerry's support among veterans, the Massachusetts senator has accused the group of collaborating with the Bush campaign and demanded Bush repudiate the ads.

Odell said he had met with Republican strategist Merrie Spaeth, a public relations consultant to his group, and once bought a home from Bob Perry, a large Republican donor from Texas and close associate of Karl Rove, the president's chief political adviser.
Like all the other swift liars, he knows it was the way he tells it, but he can't produce a single piece of evidence. :cool:

Without judging the validity of his statement, I really doubt he stopped to type up a memo right then and there. What sort of "proof" are you expecting him to have besides his personal observations?

Kerry probably thinks that Odell should have had a movie camera like he did to capture his acts of heroism.
 

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Originally posted by: 351Cleveland
Without judging the validity of his statement, I really doubt he stopped to type up a memo right then and there. What sort of "proof" are you expecting him to have besides his personal observations?
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Kerry probably thinks that Odell should have had a movie camera like he did to capture his acts of heroism.
Gosh. Along with his trusty home movies, all Kerry's got are his Bronze Star, his Silver Star and three Purple Hearts, and the official records from United States Navy, including the recommendations for those awards, some of which were written by some of the swifties, themselves, and all of which have gone unchallenged for thirty years... until some rich Texas Repulicans thought they could buy a big enough smoke screen to hide the stench of the sh8 they were tossing. :|

When called on to provide proof of their claims, NOT ONE of the Not So Swift boat liars has been able to produce a single shread of evidence to back their stories. NOT ONE! :frown:
 

Riprorin

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So your contention is that the 200+ Swiftboat vets, many of whom are highly decorated, were bought off by a rich Texas Republican?

That's quite an allegation you're making there, Harvey. You really aren't serious, are you?

There are about 6 "band of brothers" who served with Kerry that are supporting him. About 229 veterans who served with Kerry that believes he's unfit.

The numbers are pretty overwhelming, aren't they?
 

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
So your contention is that the 200+ Swiftboat vets, many of whom are highly decorated, were bought off by a rich Texas Republican?
YES!
That's quite an allegation you're making there, Harvey. You really aren't serious, are you?
YES!
There are about 6 "band of brothers" who served with Kerry that are supporting him. About 229 veterans who served with Kerry that believes he's unfit.

The numbers are pretty overwhelming, aren't they?
Rip -- Your short term memory is failing, and you don't seem to be able to scroll up one post, so please excuse my repost of my previous answer to essentially the same question.
Along with his trusty home movies, all Kerry's got are his Bronze Star, his Silver Star and three Purple Hearts, and the official records from United States Navy, including the recommendations for those awards, some of which were written by some of the swifties, themselves, and all of which have gone unchallenged for thirty years
Thirty plus years of official records speak louder than all the liars money can buy. :cool:

I posted, earlier, that I preferred to believe you are a fool, rather than a malicious liar. I'm beginning to believe you may be both. :|
 

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
So your contention is that the 200+ Swiftboat vets, many of whom are highly decorated, were bought off by a rich Texas Republican?

That's quite an allegation you're making there, Harvey. You really aren't serious, are you?

There are about 6 "band of brothers" who served with Kerry that are supporting him. About 229 veterans who served with Kerry that believes he's unfit.

The numbers are pretty overwhelming, aren't they?

The old saying "Everyone Has A Price", it's pretty apparent the Big Oil Thugs have bought off a lot of people.

If Kerry bought off those 6, he's certainly not spending enough or as much money as the Oil thugs, oh well, shouldn't matter anyway.
 

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
So your contention is that the 200+ Swiftboat vets, many of whom are highly decorated, were bought off by a rich Texas Republican?

That's quite an allegation you're making there, Harvey. You really aren't serious, are you?

There are about 6 "band of brothers" who served with Kerry that are supporting him. About 229 veterans who served with Kerry that believes he's unfit.

The numbers are pretty overwhelming, aren't they?

Not many of them are speaking out in the public about this Rip so you really need to adjust your inflated numbers. The few with the balls to have come out in public to answer questions have been torn apart by their interviewers.

You are a pathological liar Rip and that is why you so blindly follow.

Got anything more substantial? Didn't think so.

Next...
 

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BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!

BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA !!!!


LMFAO!!!



HOUSE

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COLLAPSING!
 

351Cleveland

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Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: 351Cleveland
Without judging the validity of his statement, I really doubt he stopped to type up a memo right then and there. What sort of "proof" are you expecting him to have besides his personal observations?
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Kerry probably thinks that Odell should have had a movie camera like he did to capture his acts of heroism.
Gosh. Along with his trusty home movies, all Kerry's got are his Bronze Star, his Silver Star and three Purple Hearts, and the official records from United States Navy, including the recommendations for those awards, some of which were written by some of the swifties, themselves, and all of which have gone unchallenged for thirty years... until some rich Texas Repulicans thought they could buy a big enough smoke screen to hide the stench of the sh8 they were tossing. :|

When called on to provide proof of their claims, NOT ONE of the Not So Swift boat liars has been able to produce a single shread of evidence to back their stories. NOT ONE! :frown:

Again, I revert to my question... what kind of "proof" do you expect them to have other than their personal observations? Medals arent proof, as the SBVFT guys also have medals.
 

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Wouldn't it be interestring to be able to turn the clock back and see what everyone was doing at the same point in time? Here would be Kerry pulling a man out of the river, and then here would be Bush recovering from a hang-over. It would make one helluva counter-commercial for the swiftboat one.

Here is Bush, sitting on his ass doing god knows what while Kerry is fighting for this country. Here is Kerry preforming heroic acts of bravery and here is Bush playing golf. And these veterans are mad at Kerry??? Boy, would they ever look stupid!

Here is Kerry testifiying to a senate committe to try and help stop this terrible war (which everyone agrees was a mistake) and here is Bush snorting cocaine, LOL.

Here is Kerry working in Congress and here is Bush promoting baseball games in Texas. hehe I think the Kerry camp should look into something like that.
 

351Cleveland

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Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Wouldn't it be interestring to be able to turn the clock back and see what everyone was doing at the same point in time? Here would be Kerry pulling a man out of the river, and then here would be Bush recovering from a hang-over. It would make one helluva counter-commercial for the swiftboat one.

Here is Bush, sitting on his ass doing god knows what while Kerry is fighting for this country. Here is Kerry preforming heroic acts of bravery and here is Bush playing golf. And these veterans are mad at Kerry??? Boy, would they ever look stupid!

Here is Kerry testifiying to a senate committe to try and help stop this terrible war (which everyone agrees was a mistake) and here is Bush snorting cocaine, LOL.

Here is Kerry working in Congress and here is Bush promoting baseball games in Texas. hehe I think the Kerry camp should look into something like that.

You just lost all credibility in this discussion.
 

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Why is that? It is the truth. While Kerry was off defeding his country, I would be very interested to know what Bush was doing at those exact moments as well. Shame the swiftboat defenders on the board don't care about pesky little details like that.
 

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
So your contention is that the 200+ Swiftboat vets, many of whom are highly decorated, were bought off by a rich Texas Republican?

That's quite an allegation you're making there, Harvey. You really aren't serious, are you?

There are about 6 "band of brothers" who served with Kerry that are supporting him. About 229 veterans who served with Kerry that believes he's unfit.

The numbers are pretty overwhelming, aren't they?

Those numbers are even more fiction than the swift-chicken George-boys BS.

The important point is that those 6 vets you mention--The 6 Vets who were REALLY there, and REALLY witnessed and served with Kerry--they support Kerry.

The swift-chiken George-boys have made the charge.

The burden of proof is on them.

Otherwise they are just political operatives who have botched an attempted hatchet job.

Unless and until they come forward with proof--they are simply lying. There are enough inconsistencies, withrawls, and or changes of stories to question their motives and credibility.

If the swift-chiken George-boys want to smear a Volunteer, honorably discharged Vietnam war veteran of the United States--they better be aware that these make believe stories aren't gonna fly.

The swift-boys better stick to "My Pet Goat, Lie and kill innocent people, Run and hide Yellow George" books
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: 351Cleveland
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Wouldn't it be interestring to be able to turn the clock back and see what everyone was doing at the same point in time? Here would be Kerry pulling a man out of the river, and then here would be Bush recovering from a hang-over. It would make one helluva counter-commercial for the swiftboat one.

Here is Bush, sitting on his ass doing god knows what while Kerry is fighting for this country. Here is Kerry preforming heroic acts of bravery and here is Bush playing golf. And these veterans are mad at Kerry??? Boy, would they ever look stupid!

Here is Kerry testifiying to a senate committe to try and help stop this terrible war (which everyone agrees was a mistake) and here is Bush snorting cocaine, LOL.

Here is Kerry working in Congress and here is Bush promoting baseball games in Texas. hehe I think the Kerry camp should look into something like that.

You just lost all credibility in this discussion.

Why?

Afraid of the truth?
 

Riprorin

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A photograph of John Kerry with 19 other Coastal Division 11 Swift boat officers is featured in a new Kerry campaign ad called Lifetime. Swift Boat Veterans for Truth contacted surviving members of this group to find out how many actually support Kerry. Guess how many support Kerry?

Answer: 1
 

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Originally posted by: 351Cleveland
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Wouldn't it be interestring to be able to turn the clock back and see what everyone was doing at the same point in time? Here would be Kerry pulling a man out of the river, and then here would be Bush recovering from a hang-over. It would make one helluva counter-commercial for the swiftboat one.

Here is Bush, sitting on his ass doing god knows what while Kerry is fighting for this country. Here is Kerry preforming heroic acts of bravery and here is Bush playing golf. And these veterans are mad at Kerry??? Boy, would they ever look stupid!

Here is Kerry testifiying to a senate committe to try and help stop this terrible war (which everyone agrees was a mistake) and here is Bush snorting cocaine, LOL.

Here is Kerry working in Congress and here is Bush promoting baseball games in Texas. hehe I think the Kerry camp should look into something like that.

You just lost all credibility in this discussion.

You mean I had credibility? Damn! Now I went and done it. I sure hope I don't get fired over it. ;)
 

Riprorin

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And here's what they had to say about the use of the photograph:

Dear Senator Kerry:

Your campaign advertising includes a picture of the 20 officers photographed at An Thoi. We did not give permission for you to use a photo including our image, nor do we support you. We have, in fact, signed a letter delivered to you calling on you to authorize the Department of Defense to release all of your medical and military records. We call upon you personally to do this. We join our fellow Swiftees who believe that someone who heaped scorn and lies on his own unit for his personal political gain is not fit to be Commander in Chief.

Signers Names
 

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Originally posted by: 351Cleveland
Again, I revert to my question... what kind of "proof" do you expect them to have other than their personal observations? Medals arent proof, as the SBVFT guys also have medals.
Same answer. Kerry's military records have stood unchallenged for over 30 years, and they include hard copy documentation.

Kerry isn't challenging the quality of their service to the country; they're challenging his. This is not "We said. They said." The burden is on those who would challenge that record to provide evidence of equal standing, not snakeoil and vaporware.

That is what I demand of them.

At present, the swifties' hard evidence score stands at a mighty ZERO from ANY source, for ANY of their stories. :p
 

1EZduzit

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
A photograph of John Kerry with 19 other Coastal Division 11 Swift boat officers is featured in a new Kerry campaign ad called Lifetime. Swift Boat Veterans for Truth contacted surviving members of this group to find out how many actually support Kerry. Guess how many support Kerry?

Answer: 1


So? That proves what?? Just more innuendo. That's all these jealous veterans can seem to come up with.
 

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Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Wouldn't it be interestring to be able to turn the clock back and see what everyone was doing at the same point in time? Here would be Kerry pulling a man out of the river, and then here would be Bush recovering from a hang-over. It would make one helluva counter-commercial for the swiftboat one.

Here is Bush, sitting on his ass doing god knows what while Kerry is fighting for this country. Here is Kerry preforming heroic acts of bravery and here is Bush playing golf. And these veterans are mad at Kerry??? Boy, would they ever look stupid!

Here is Kerry testifiying to a senate committe to try and help stop this terrible war (which everyone agrees was a mistake) and here is Bush snorting cocaine, LOL.

Here is Kerry working in Congress and here is Bush promoting baseball games in Texas. hehe I think the Kerry camp should look into something like that.


LMAO:laugh:
 

Riprorin

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Originally posted by: fjord
Originally posted by: Riprorin
So your contention is that the 200+ Swiftboat vets, many of whom are highly decorated, were bought off by a rich Texas Republican?

That's quite an allegation you're making there, Harvey. You really aren't serious, are you?

There are about 6 "band of brothers" who served with Kerry that are supporting him. About 229 veterans who served with Kerry that believes he's unfit.

The numbers are pretty overwhelming, aren't they?

Those numbers are even more fiction than the swift-chicken George-boys BS.

The important point is that those 6 vets you mention--The 6 Vets who were REALLY there, and REALLY witnessed and served with Kerry--they support Kerry.

The swift-chiken George-boys have made the charge.

The burden of proof is on them.

Otherwise they are just political operatives who have botched an attempted hatchet job.

Unless and until they come forward with proof--they are simply lying. There are enough inconsistencies, withrawls, and or changes of stories to question their motives and credibility.

If the swift-chiken George-boys want to smear a Volunteer, honorably discharged Vietnam war veteran of the United States--they better be aware that these make believe stories aren't gonna fly.

The swift-boys better stick to "My Pet Goat, Lie and kill innocent people, Run and hide Yellow George" books

You are badly informed my friend.

"The Kerry machine has protested the ad saying that those men "didn't serve on Kerry's boat with him." John Kerry was not the captain of an air craft carrier. He was the captain of a very small boat. In fact, he was not even a true captain, but a lieutenant j.g. The swift boat used in Viet Nam was approximately 50 feet long and 14 feet wide with a crew of six men. Only one officer was on board. Because of the swift boats' size, they traveled in packs, like wolves. Usually three or four boats would go out at a time. With boats this size, the crews of the boats knew each other very well. Often they would be side by side and these men did not have to have their feet planted on John Kerry's boat-deck to know what kind of a leader he was. Swift boats traveled together, fought together, and protected each other. Yet, if we are to believe John Kerry, all of these honorable men are lying just to destroy him and his presidential aspirations."

-Barbara Stock
 

351Cleveland

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Originally posted by: umbrella39
Why is that? It is the truth. While Kerry was off defeding his country, I would be very interested to know what Bush was doing at those exact moments as well. Shame the swiftboat defenders on the board don't care about pesky little details like that.

What part of that post has anything to do with the posted topic?

I have asked him an objective question twice and it has been completely ignored, even though he responded to my post. I dont take that personal, but when you can respond to a post with everything BUT a response to the question asked, it is a pretty good sign you dont have an answer.
 

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
And here's what they had to say about the use of the photograph:

Dear Senator Kerry:

Your campaign advertising includes a picture of the 20 officers photographed at An Thoi. We did not give permission for you to use a photo including our image, nor do we support you. We have, in fact, signed a letter delivered to you calling on you to authorize the Department of Defense to release all of your medical and military records. We call upon you personally to do this. We join our fellow Swiftees who believe that someone who heaped scorn and lies on his own unit for his personal political gain is not fit to be Commander in Chief.

Signers Names

So where was Bush Lite at this point in time? At home, out partying, building his fortune? Compare apples to apples. What's that you say? You can't? Where was Bush at this point in time. i would like him to release his records of where he was while Kerry was over in 'Nam getting shot at. Until then STFU with the innuendo and outright lies.

The truth is Bush used his political clout so he didn't even have to go, and now he is using the people that did risk their lives to smear Kerry's name and cover the fact that he wasn't even there!! He was a coward and now he smears a bonafide hero's name.

It's just mind boggeling that you are so blind to the real facts.