YART - What is teh stance for Creationists

[JTsyo]

Ran across a story on how a specie of birds have split into 2. This got me thinking how it fit into the Creationist's point of view on how animals come to be. Not really looking for an argument on what's right and wrong just an explanation on their point of view.

 

[Barfo]

Some bearded dude wished it and they appeared suddenly?

 

[spidey07]

That god created life and life can do what it wants to from there.

 

[Leros]

Christianity FAQ

Q: <Insert question>

A: God is all powerful. He can do anything.

 

[sao123]

Originally posted by: Barfo
Some bearded dude wished it and they appeared suddenly?

if you are not going to make serious discussion, just stop trolling.
idiots like you make the real christians look bad.

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: sao123

Originally posted by: Barfo
Some bearded dude wished it and they appeared suddenly?

if you are not going to make serious discussion, just stop trolling.
idiots like you make the real christians look bad.

Nah...they do a pretty good job of it on their own.

 

[jonks]

"Ahhh, nature, will, ah, find a way."

"Yeah, yeah. 'Oooooh!' and 'Ahhhhh!' But then there's...running, and ah...screaming."

/jeffgoldblum

 

[dquan97]

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[h8red]

What is teh stance for Creationists

Dominance

 

[SlitheryDee]

I think creationists have retreated to the creation of life by God vs. abiogenesis argument for the most part. That particular argument is a happier hunting ground for people trying to stuff God into the Gaps still present in scientific knowledge. Speciation has been left to Darwin and Natural selection.

 

[JTsyo]

Just a correction on the OP, the article doesn't say the are two different species but that they've stopped mating with each other.
Not looking for the Christian answer, looking for the Creationist one. Which church is mainly behind it?

 

[DaveSimmons]

The stance I've read for the Catholic church is that evolution is natural law. God isn't bound by natural law, and intervened to create mankind.

i.e. the universe does normally follow natural law as set by the Creator, but mankind and miracles are instances where the Creator decided to bend the rules.

As an agnostic that seems like a sensible view for deists.

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

Originally posted by: SlitheryDee
I think creationists have retreated to the creation of life by God vs. abiogenesis argument for the most part. That particular argument is a happier hunting ground for people trying to stuff God into the Gaps still present in scientific knowledge. Speciation has been left to Darwin and Natural selection.

There's plenty of creationists that don't believe in evolution. I too wonder how they justify why there's species now that don't exist in the past and why there's species in the past that don't exist now. I mean for the later you could say all species existed at one point and some became extinct (there'd be a staggering probably unsustainable number of species at the beginning of time then). The former I couldn't begin to come up with a reasonable explanation. I guess just try to claim that our fossil records too incomplete to show that all the species we have now existed for all time.

 

[FeuerFrei]

I've never seen a creationist publication contest subspeciation. It would be dumb to deny an observed process.

God created initial life forms, an indeterminate number of species, and since then new species have branched off, but always variations on their kind, not new animal kingdoms.

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

Originally posted by: FeuerFrei
I've never seen a creationist publication contest subspeciation. It would be dumb to deny an observed process.

God created initial life forms, an indeterminate number of species, and since then new species have branched off, but always variations on their kind, not new animal kingdoms.

And why is god necessary in the process? What mechanism is involved that prevents large-scale evolution but allows new species to appear?

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: FeuerFrei
I've never seen a creationist publication contest subspeciation. It would be dumb to deny an observed process.

God created initial life forms, an indeterminate number of species, and since then new species have branched off, but always variations on their kind, not new animal kingdoms.

Well he's pretty crappy at his job seeing as how almost every creature he created has gone extinct.

 

[GasX]

Originally posted by: h8red

What is teh stance for Creationists

Dominance

dammit, beaten to the punch

 

[dainthomas]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: FeuerFrei
I've never seen a creationist publication contest subspeciation. It would be dumb to deny an observed process.

God created initial life forms, an indeterminate number of species, and since then new species have branched off, but always variations on their kind, not new animal kingdoms.

Well he's pretty crappy at his job seeing as how almost every creature he created has gone extinct.

No kidding. What's the deal with the panda? It can only eat one thing and hates mating. Sounds like a real winner.

 

[nerp]

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer

Originally posted by: FeuerFrei
I've never seen a creationist publication contest subspeciation. It would be dumb to deny an observed process.

God created initial life forms, an indeterminate number of species, and since then new species have branched off, but always variations on their kind, not new animal kingdoms.

And why is god necessary in the process? What mechanism is involved that prevents large-scale evolution but allows new species to appear?

No kidding. All you have to do is look at star fomation and the life and death of solar systems to get a clue that evolution, life and the rest of it are natural processes that always repeat. We're just an animal. Nothing special about us.

 

[zerocool84]

I'd at least give many of the religios nuts some credit for saying that evolution is real and that it happens and that God let it happen but they still think the earth and everything else is only like 5000yrs old.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: h8red

What is teh stance for Creationists

Dominance

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: zerocool84
I'd at least give many of the religios nuts some credit for saying that evolution is real and that it happens and that God let it happen but they still think the earth and everything else is only like 5000yrs old.

Yeah...but thats 5000 God years...which is billions of years to you and me.

Think of the earth is like a crock pot...somebody fills it with ingredients and gives it the spark of life....

 

[tynopik]

they make a distinction between 'kinds' and 'species'

the original kind had all sorts of genetic diversity that you could then breed out to get a very specific set of traits

there was a dog 'kind' from which we get wolves, coyotes, toy poodles and spaniels

but they are still dogs and no matter how much you breed them, you won't get a cat

all sorts of dog breeds don't mix, but we don't call them a different species like they did with those birds

they would say we are adding no new genetic materials, just creating creating new combinations of existing genes, which has inherent limits unless you go to artificial means (gene splicing, etc)

 

[zerocool84]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: zerocool84
I'd at least give many of the religios nuts some credit for saying that evolution is real and that it happens and that God let it happen but they still think the earth and everything else is only like 5000yrs old.

Yeah...but thats 5000 God years...which is billions of years to you and me.

Think of the earth is like a crock pot...somebody fills it with ingredients and gives it the spark of life....

Oh damn here we go with these "god" years.............

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: zerocool84

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: zerocool84
I'd at least give many of the religios nuts some credit for saying that evolution is real and that it happens and that God let it happen but they still think the earth and everything else is only like 5000yrs old.

Yeah...but thats 5000 God years...which is billions of years to you and me.

Think of the earth is like a crock pot...somebody fills it with ingredients and gives it the spark of life....

Oh damn here we go with these "god" years.............

Lighten up.