YAPT: Palin invokes executive privilege and uses non-gov servers to prevent emails from becoming public record

[frostedflakes]

Just Like Bush White House, Palin Uses Personal E-mail Accounts And Claims Executive Privilege

The Washington Post reports that Gov. Sarah Palin (R-AK) is ?being asked by a local Republican activist to release more than 1,100 e-mails she withheld from a public records request, including 40 that were copied to her husband, Todd.? Invoking a favored practice of the Bush administration, Palin has claimed executive privilege to keep the e-mails secret ? despite the fact many of them were sent to Todd, who is not an elected official.

What?s more, Palin and her staff intentionally use her personal Yahoo e-mail account, perhaps to avoid document release requests:

Palin also routinely does government business from a Yahoo address, gov.sarah@yahoo.com, rather than from her secure official state e-mail address, according to documents already made public.

?Whoops!? Palin aide Frank Bailey wrote, after addressing an e-mail to the governor?s official state address.

?Frank, This is not the Governor?s personal account,? a secretary reminded him.

The lawyer filing the request pointed out that the point of government e-mail is to ensure ?security and encryption.? ?She?s running state business out of Yahoo?? he asked. Mother Jones reports that Palin?s refusal to hand over e-mails stands in violation of the Alaska Public Records Act.

Palin?s move is eerily reminiscent of Bush administration ploys to dramatically increase secrecy in government, such as when White House aides switched to personal e-mail accounts to avoid subpoenas during the investigation into U.S. Attorney scandal last year:

But just a week after E-mails in the U.S. attorneys case became a main focus of congressional Democrats probing the firings, several aides said that they stopped using the White House system except for purely professional correspondence. [?]

At least two aides said that they have subsequently bought their own private E-mail system through a cellular phone or Blackberry server. When asked how he communicated, one aide pulled out a new personal cellphone and said, ?texting.?

As Josh Marshall pointed out at the time, if the White House was using personal e-mails, ?they can?t have even the vaguest claim? to executive privilege. Similarly, the fact that Palin copies her husband on her e-mails and often uses a personal account raises the question of whether her e-mails are actually official executive business.

Palin?s commitment to secrecy and her stonewalling of an ethics investigation into her role in ?Troopergate? are more evidence that a McCain-Palin administration would be little more than a third Bush term.

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/...palin-email-privilege/

What a maverick. :laugh:

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

Unless there is some serious dirt in there who the fuck cares.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays
Unless there is some serious dirt in there who the fuck cares.

Excuse me??

That is government property.. do you know who the government IS... YOU AND ME ....

I can never understand people like you who think your politicians should be allowed to anything they please... you are scary.. the types who let Hitler come to power... blind sheep

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays
Unless there is some serious dirt in there who the fuck cares.

Excuse me??

That is government property.. do you know who the government IS... YOU AND ME ....

I can never understand people like you who think your politicians should be allowed to anything they please... you are scary.. the types who let Hitler come to power... blind sheep

that's gotta be the fastest invocation of Goodwin's Law ever.

/thread?

 

[QED]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays
Unless there is some serious dirt in there who the fuck cares.

Excuse me??

That is government property.. do you know who the government IS... YOU AND ME ....

I can never understand people like you who think your politicians should be allowed to anything they please... you are scary.. the types who let Hitler come to power... blind sheep

Wait... so because she used a Yahoo account for personal business and state business she should be forced to hand over her personal e-mails to her husband from that account?

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays
Unless there is some serious dirt in there who the fuck cares.

Excuse me??

That is government property.. do you know who the government IS... YOU AND ME ....

I can never understand people like you who think your politicians should be allowed to anything they please... you are scary.. the types who let Hitler come to power... blind sheep

that's gotta be the fastest invocation of Goodwin's Law ever.

/thread?

Glad you can keep up with usenet bs.. the fact is... our govt needs to be held accountable.. DO YOU TRUST the BS they tell us all the time

Remember Bush and cheney emails that mysteriously got deleted from THE MOST HIGHLY ADVANCED GOVT IN THE WORLDS SERVERS??? LOL ..

 

[QED]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays
Unless there is some serious dirt in there who the fuck cares.

Excuse me??

That is government property.. do you know who the government IS... YOU AND ME ....

I can never understand people like you who think your politicians should be allowed to anything they please... you are scary.. the types who let Hitler come to power... blind sheep

that's gotta be the fastest invocation of Goodwin's Law ever.

/thread?

Glad you can keep up with usenet bs.. the fact is... our govt needs to be held accountable.. DO YOU TRUST the BS they tell us all the time

Remember Bush and cheney emails that mysteriously got deleted from THE MOST HIGHLY ADVANCED GOVT IN THE WORLDS SERVERS??? LOL ..

I don't remember anything like that. Care to provide a link? (And preferably to a mainstream journalist site-- not some blog full of raving lunatics).

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: QED

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays
Unless there is some serious dirt in there who the fuck cares.

Excuse me??

That is government property.. do you know who the government IS... YOU AND ME ....

I can never understand people like you who think your politicians should be allowed to anything they please... you are scary.. the types who let Hitler come to power... blind sheep

Wait... so because she used a Yahoo account for personal business and state business she should be forced to hand over her personal e-mails to her husband from that account?

are you 100% sure that all these emails that are hiding are only on yahoo servers

ALSO.. what kind of PODUNK SHITHOLE uses yahoo for GOVERNMENT COMMUNICATION

She is over qualified now... as far as I can tell.. RIGHT? you agree.. ?

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: QED

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays
Unless there is some serious dirt in there who the fuck cares.

Excuse me??

That is government property.. do you know who the government IS... YOU AND ME ....

I can never understand people like you who think your politicians should be allowed to anything they please... you are scary.. the types who let Hitler come to power... blind sheep

that's gotta be the fastest invocation of Goodwin's Law ever.

/thread?

Glad you can keep up with usenet bs.. the fact is... our govt needs to be held accountable.. DO YOU TRUST the BS they tell us all the time

Remember Bush and cheney emails that mysteriously got deleted from THE MOST HIGHLY ADVANCED GOVT IN THE WORLDS SERVERS??? LOL ..

I don't remember anything like that. Care to provide a link? (And preferably to a mainstream journalist site-- not some blog full of raving lunatics).

http://www.google.com/search?h...e+house+emails+deleted

^^ you choose^^

 

[Lanyap]

Direct link to WaPo Article to avoid left spin.

Governor Is Asked To Release E-Mails

 

[theeedude]

It's going to be 4 more years of same stuff as the last 8, just with more lipstick.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: QED

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays
Unless there is some serious dirt in there who the fuck cares.

Excuse me??

That is government property.. do you know who the government IS... YOU AND ME ....

I can never understand people like you who think your politicians should be allowed to anything they please... you are scary.. the types who let Hitler come to power... blind sheep

Wait... so because she used a Yahoo account for personal business and state business she should be forced to hand over her personal e-mails to her husband from that account?

Of course she should. You just answered your own question. She should NEVER have used her personal account for state business. By doing that, she invited herself in for scrutiny.

 

[her209]

Say it with me: subpoena

 

[lupi]

Keep saying it faster, bush cheney, bush cheney... Maybe more of the braindead leftist will join you in forgetting who's running this year,

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays
Unless there is some serious dirt in there who the fuck cares.

Excuse me??

That is government property.. do you know who the government IS... YOU AND ME ....

I can never understand people like you who think your politicians should be allowed to anything they please... you are scary.. the types who let Hitler come to power... blind sheep

that's gotta be the fastest invocation of Goodwin's Law ever.

/thread?

Pretty damn quick, wasn't it? Superb!

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: senseamp
It's going to be 4 more years of same stuff as the last 8, just with more lipstick.

That's what popped into my mind too. Maybe Palin should have asked, "What's the difference between GWBush and a soccer mom? Lipstick." This is yet another example of the contempt slime like Palin holds for the public and her responsibilities as an elected public servant.

McCain/Bush: Four more years of the last eight years.

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays
Unless there is some serious dirt in there who the fuck cares.

Excuse me??

That is government property.. do you know who the government IS... YOU AND ME ....

I can never understand people like you who think your politicians should be allowed to anything they please... you are scary.. the types who let Hitler come to power... blind sheep

that's gotta be the fastest invocation of Goodwin's Law ever.

/thread?

Pretty damn quick, wasn't it? Superb!

Goodwin's Law doesn't apply when the reference is relevant and accurate. Dahunan was exactly right.

 

[frostedflakes]

This article links to a PDF that lists the subject, recipient, etc. of emails from Palin's staff.

http://community.adn.com/node/127769

BTW, it's Godwin's Law, not Goodwin's 🙂

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: lupi
Keep saying it faster, bush cheney, bush cheney... Maybe more of the braindead leftist will join you in forgetting who's running this year,

Or maybe more of the braindead will join you in forgetting who's been pulling shit like this for the past 8 years.

I guess this is the 'Change We Can Believe In' under McCain/Palin.

 

[RightIsWrong]

Originally posted by: frostedflakes
This article links to a PDF that lists the subject, recipient, etc. of emails from Palin's staff.

http://community.adn.com/node/127769

BTW, it's Godwin's Law, not Goodwin's 🙂

From your link:

It's not uncommon for Gov. Sarah Palin's husband, Todd, to be included on governor's office e-mails, a fact raising questions about how much influence the "First Dude" has in state government.

Palin critics recently put in a public records request for the state e-mails that Palin special assistant Ivy Frye and Frank Bailey, the governor's director of boards and commissions, sent this spring. They were trying to find proof the staffers had worked on state time to try and get Randy Ruedrich replaced as chair of the state Republican Party. They hadn't found any, last I spoke to them, but were still going through the boxes of e-mails.

Much of the Frye/Bailey e-mail traffic, though, was either blacked out or denied altogether by the state on the basis of "deliberative process" or "privacy/personnel." (UPDATE: Andrew Halcro, on his blog, has posted the whole spreadsheet listing the e-mails that were denied, with subject lines, recipients and dates.)

That includes many e-mails Todd Palin exchanged with members of the governor's staff - e-mails with subject lines like "re: PSEA (Public Safety Employees of Alaska) Ads", "re: PR campaign" and "re: Parental consent abortion bill." It's impossible to know what they are about, since the state refuses to say.

Those who made the requests plan to appeal the denial, arguing among other things that e-mails can't be kept from the public because of executive "deliberative process" if Todd Palin, who is not a state employee, is being copied on them.

"I don't know why (Todd) is being copied on everything," said Zane Henning, who made the public records request on behalf of the Last Frontier Foundation, which Henning described as a conservative group from the Mat-Su Valley

Andree McLeod of Anchorage, who separately put in a public records request for the same e-mails, also questioned Todd Palin's involvement. Here's a sampling of some of the e-mails copied to Todd.

So....does Todd automatically get a top secret clearance if he become first gentleman so that he can continue to be CC:ed on all of her emails?

Maybe he can respond to Putin for Palin?

 

[OrByte]

GWB did the same thing in his administration.

Its really hard trying to NOT link the similarities between Palin and Bush.

When they condone business practices such as this.

I suppose at the end of the day all politicians want to draw a line in the sand and claim some sort of privacy or "executive privledge." But if there are rules to follow, then the rules need to be followed. It doesn't seem OK to me to use a yahoo account for state business. And if Todd Palin holds no official position within Alaskan state service, I think he should be left out of those emails that are state business.

Not good for Palin, this feeds right into the hands of those that claim McCain and Palin are more of the same of the last 8 years.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: lupi
Keep saying it faster, bush cheney, bush cheney... Maybe more of the braindead leftist will join you in forgetting who's running this year,

Or maybe more of the braindead will join you in forgetting who's been pulling shit like this for the past 8 years.

I guess this is the 'Change We Can Believe In' under McCain/Palin.

You're right, McCain only shares policy with Bush on the military, the war, taxes, immigration, abortion, stem cell research, gay rights, business regulation, foreign policy, and education. Guys, this other old white guy from the exact same party is TOTALLY DIFFERENT

 

[nageov3t]

are we all missing the important part of this story?

at least she can send email, unlike McCain who still thinks that the telegraph is a newfangled invention 😛

 

[jpeyton]

Palin's Yahoo! Mail account was hacked.

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Not only was using a personal e-mail address for government business a dishonest way to keep your official business out of public record, but it's also criminally negligent with the amount of cyber criminals out there.

Is she going to e-mail NORAD with the nuclear launch codes from her Hotmail account?

 

[Ns1]

n/m, beat