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[Muse]

Even with all that blabbering on, it doesn't even fit with him going on a random shooting spree. He even says 'deporting and killing of non-whites is horrific' and talks about he can't consider killing fellow Americans. No, either he was already batshit insane and non of this really means jack shit, or this is faked bs.

He's psychotic, is the problem. Compartmentalized psyche, the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing. He goes right from meandering loosely connected thoughts about ethnicities, economics, environmental concerns and various emotions he has concerning these things, abruptly into his thoughts about his weaponry, why he's using this and that, what guns or ammo might be better or worse for whatever reason. He comes off as fairly scatterbrained, but he's trying hard to convince himself and any reader that he's not, but rather informed and intelligent.

However, as Ice T put it so eloquently, "street homicide, war, it's all the same, killing is killing by any name."

 

[Jaskalas]

There is only one race.

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Well okay then. I am just not sure who that would belie more. Racists attacking others, or the victims of said racism.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Drumph pontificates mental illness is shooting people, not guns. IOW, don't take away the guns, just treat the mentally ill. Uh, does that mean we try to identify them and maybe try to keep guns out of their hands? Lordee me no, that would require background checks and Drumph's conversations with NRA brass this week ruled them out (Drumph and the NRA are in agreement on these things). No, instead we are going to endorse research into mental illness. We'll all benefit if we reduce mental illness. We are also close to curing cancer and AIDS, stay twitted.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1039301

He's deeply concerned

 

[pmv]

It's a simple notion. One race is less diverse than many.

Of course that ignores the bounty of sheer numbers that mixed DNA would enjoy. Or the shedding of isolated pockets of incestual tribalism, or the benefit of making new connections.

None of this talk makes any sense though. It's just confused nonsense. What the hell _is_ a 'race', in this context? How is it defined? You have a vast number of genes that get reshuffled every generation, is all. Generally that genetic diversity is preserved in the whole population, regardless of what happens with immigration or skin colour (which is what the nutters usually think of when they talk of 'race'). I suppose genetic diversity can be lost as a result of, say, mass deaths, or incredibly-skewed reproduction rates, but talking of diversity of races in this way makes no sense. The genes are still there, they just get clustered differently.

It would be a _little_ easier to get a grip on what is meant if everyone stuck to speaking of culture and language (though even 'culture' is near-impossible to clearly define and it constantly changes anyway).


But really you can't engage with this stuff rationally - as you seem to be trying to do - because none of it makes any sense in the first place.

 

[pmv]

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Well okay then. I am just not sure who that would belie more. Racists attacking others, or the victims of said racism.

That's race as a social phenomenon. Not really anything much to do with DNA or genetics.

The muddling up of "race" and culture adds a whole other level of nonsense to something that already barely makes any sense.

 

[cytg111]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ny...ence/23andme-genetic-ethnicity-study.amp.html

African Americans are on average only 75% African Americans.
"Race".
Yea that ship has sailed a long time ago.

 

[uallas5]

Mental illness may play a part but its not the primary problem with mass shootings:

https://time.com/5644147/mass-shootings-mental-health/

“It’s really just scapegoating people with mental health issues,” says Dr. Seth Trueger, an assistant professor of emergency medicine at Northwestern University. And while rates of mental health conditions such as depression, anxiety and suicidal behavior are on the rise in the U.S., Trueger says other nations have similar problems and experience far fewer mass shootings. “Other countries have the same kind of mental health issues we have, the same kind of violent video games we have, the same religiosity that we have. All that stuff is just a distraction” from the need for better gun control, he says.

But hey, in this era of blame the expert, why listen to what the people who actually treat mental health have to say?

 

[purbeast0]

Mental illness may play a part but its not the primary problem with mass shootings:

https://time.com/5644147/mass-shootings-mental-health/

“It’s really just scapegoating people with mental health issues,” says Dr. Seth Trueger, an assistant professor of emergency medicine at Northwestern University. And while rates of mental health conditions such as depression, anxiety and suicidal behavior are on the rise in the U.S., Trueger says other nations have similar problems and experience far fewer mass shootings. “Other countries have the same kind of mental health issues we have, the same kind of violent video games we have, the same religiosity that we have. All that stuff is just a distraction” from the need for better gun control, he says.

But hey, in this era of blame the expert, why listen to what the people who actually treat mental health have to say?

Because it's FAKE NEWS!

 

[HomerJS]

Some really sound Republican advice.../s
Mike Huckabee: Thoughts And Prayers Are 'Only Thing' That Will Stop Mass Shootings


https://www.yahoo.com/news/mike-huckabee-thoughts-and-prayers-225040786.html

 

[ewdotson]

There is only one race.

More precisely, race is a social construct and not one that's truly based on genetics.

 

[glenn1]

Mental illness may play a part but its not the primary problem with mass shootings:

https://time.com/5644147/mass-shootings-mental-health/

“It’s really just scapegoating people with mental health issues,” says Dr. Seth Trueger, an assistant professor of emergency medicine at Northwestern University. And while rates of mental health conditions such as depression, anxiety and suicidal behavior are on the rise in the U.S., Trueger says other nations have similar problems and experience far fewer mass shootings. “Other countries have the same kind of mental health issues we have, the same kind of violent video games we have, the same religiosity that we have. All that stuff is just a distraction” from the need for better gun control, he says.

But hey, in this era of blame the expert, why listen to what the people who actually treat mental health have to say?

Go ahead and push for tighter gun control laws. It will ensure your side will lose the next election badly, plus the laws will be widely broken - it's an article of faith on the left that if abortion access is reduced that women will just use coat hangers since they'll refuse to not obey the laws and not abort, do you think gun owners will be more compliant to laws restricting gun access?

 

[fskimospy]

Go ahead and push for tighter gun control laws. It will ensure your side will lose the next election badly, plus the laws will be widely broken - it's an article of faith on the left that if abortion access is reduced that women will just use coat hangers since they'll refuse to not obey the laws and not abort, do you think gun owners will be more compliant to laws restricting gun access?

Nah, they aren’t widely broken in other developed countries so I’m sure we can work it out here too. It won’t happen overnight but such is life. It’s clearly worth doing so we might as well get started.

This is another case just like with health care and the social safety net where conservatives’ argument centers around the idea that we shouldn’t implement liberal ideas because America is magical and no lessons from the rest of the developed world apply. That is of course unless those lessons from the rest of the developed world are useful for conservatism at which point America stops being magical about that thing. (And only that thing)

 

[fskimospy]

Remember, tighter gun control laws of the type Democrats are pushing are ASTOUNDINGLY popular among the electorate.

 

[glenn1]

Nah, they aren’t widely broken in other developed countries so I’m sure we can work it out here too. It won’t happen overnight but such is life. It’s clearly worth doing so we might as well get started.

This is another case just like with health care and the social safety net where conservatives’ argument centers around the idea that we shouldn’t implement liberal ideas because America is magical and no lessons from the rest of the developed world apply. That is of course unless those lessons from the rest of the developed world are useful for conservatism at which point America stops being magical about that thing. (And only that thing)

Nah, I think we'll just not pass any laws again just like after the Parkland shooting and all the rest of them. You keep trying to kick that football though.

 

[pauldun170]

Go ahead and push for tighter gun control laws. It will ensure your side will lose the next election badly, plus the laws will be widely broken - it's an article of faith on the left that if abortion access is reduced that women will just use coat hangers since they'll refuse to not obey the laws and not abort, do you think gun owners will be more compliant to laws restricting gun access?

So that whole story about the noble Law Abiding Gun Owner was a BS?
What happens when the Police show up to your door to confiscate them? Will all you law abiding gun owners now become cop killers?
What if they amend the Constitution? What are you going to do?

A lot of law abiding gun owners like to use that "Only criminals will have guns" line.
I'm starting to think thats code for what all these law abiding gun owners have in mind.

Not that I care.
We have a different culture than you mainland people.
Probably because of all the Immigrants, LGBTQ folk, "Academic elitists" and Atheists.
We have some guns but we don't masturbate to them like you wierdos do.

 

[fskimospy]

Nah, I think we'll just not pass any laws again just like after the Parkland shooting and all the rest of them. You keep trying to kick that football though.

Oh I agree it's most likely we won't pass any new laws. Not because new laws aren't insanely popular, but due to the fact that rural minorities get hugely disproportionate electoral influence. The thing is that's no reason not to keep trying because really all we need to do is succeed once. It's like with the ACA - Democrats tried over and over again and failed but once they got the ACA in place things were changed forever and people refused to go back.

So maybe we don't win today but we'll win eventually and once we do that's game over for you guys.

 

[ImpulsE69]

Mental illness may play a part but its not the primary problem with mass shootings:

https://time.com/5644147/mass-shootings-mental-health/

“It’s really just scapegoating people with mental health issues,” says Dr. Seth Trueger, an assistant professor of emergency medicine at Northwestern University. And while rates of mental health conditions such as depression, anxiety and suicidal behavior are on the rise in the U.S., Trueger says other nations have similar problems and experience far fewer mass shootings. “Other countries have the same kind of mental health issues we have, the same kind of violent video games we have, the same religiosity that we have. All that stuff is just a distraction” from the need for better gun control, he says.

But hey, in this era of blame the expert, why listen to what the people who actually treat mental health have to say?

Except Switzerland, who has a ton of guns per capita, and a happier overall population health (oh and is mostly not diverse) doesn't have these issues. Of course, everyone points to the countries that banned guns as examples instead. Switzerland however does have tighter gun laws, with caveats.

Anyone who tries to spin gun violence as anything but mental health issues has an agenda or is mentally unfit themselves.

 

[brycejones]

Some really sound Republican advice.../s
Mike Huckabee: Thoughts And Prayers Are 'Only Thing' That Will Stop Mass Shootings


https://www.yahoo.com/news/mike-huckabee-thoughts-and-prayers-225040786.html

The Onion should just shut down. They can't make up shit extreme enough to compete with actual reality anymore.

 

[brycejones]

Except Switzerland, who has a ton of guns per capita, and a happier overall population health (oh and is mostly not diverse) doesn't have these issues. Of course, everyone points to the countries that banned guns as examples instead. Switzerland however does have tighter gun laws, with caveats.

Except ammunition is tightly controlled. Kind of hard to pew pew with no bullets.

 

[ImpulsE69]

Except ammunition is tightly controlled. Kind of hard to pew pew with no bullets.

Exactly. This is the route I think we should take...but apparently that is off the table.

 

[IronWing]

The Onion should just shut down. They can't make up shit extreme enough to compete with actual reality anymore.

Huckabee is just another preacher now. He's selling his sock puppet to the faithful full time so nothing he says has to make any sense. It's just preacher babble, not worthy of news coverage.

 

[uallas5]

Go ahead and push for tighter gun control laws. It will ensure your side will lose the next election badly, plus the laws will be widely broken - it's an article of faith on the left that if abortion access is reduced that women will just use coat hangers since they'll refuse to not obey the laws and not abort, do you think gun owners will be more compliant to laws restricting gun access?

Actually my point was to illustrate out the fact that blaming mental health for mass shootings is based on nothing factual and is not what's wrong according the experts who treat mental health problems. In what part of this was "my side" revealed, or in fact anything about how I personally feel about gun ownership?

 

[fskimospy]

Actually my point was to illustrate out the fact that blaming mental health for mass shootings is based on nothing factual and is not what's wrong according the experts who treat mental health problems. In what part of this was "my side" revealed, or in fact anything about how I personally feel about gun ownership?

Also the fundamental idea of focusing on mental health to prevent shootings seems pretty far-fetched to me. Does anyone really think mental health evaluation and treatment is advanced enough to plausibly predict who will become some sort of mass shooter without locking up or otherwise violating the rights of tons of innocent people?

 

[zinfamous]

Someone that is crossing our border illegally is in fact invading out country. .

nope. not a fact. stop inventing bullshit that is obviously not true, and has never been true.

 

[ImpulsE69]

Also the fundamental idea of focusing on mental health to prevent shootings seems pretty far-fetched to me. Does anyone really think mental health evaluation and treatment is advanced enough to plausibly predict who will become some sort of mass shooter without locking up or otherwise violating the rights of tons of innocent people?

I think the distinction that I and others who are 'meh' about the gun angle is that if a person is screwed in the head, not having a gun isn't going to stop them from harming themselves or others. I know we've went back and forth on this topic so I'm not going to rehash it, but to solely say 'guns are the reason' is disingenuous. It is a complex topic that will take complex solutions. In no case will they be timely. We as a populace are too divided, too angry, too far gone to fix this any time soon, and I think what you will find from the most vocal is they think this is something that can be fixed overnight by making a few laws. This country is unhappy. If the idea is to simply get back to the 'non reported on' daily gang violence, then okay, I suppose we could make some progress if that will make everyone feel better, but we all know that if we are being honest with ourselves banning assault weapons is not the actual solution - it will have to go far beyond that basically to the point of banning all guns. I realize in today's world that may sound like the sane thing to do, but complacency and comfort don't always coincide with what is best for the actual country.