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[zinfamous]

You have to fill in a lot of gaps with projection to get from anything Trump says to a mass shooting at a Walmart. I don't think Trump ever suggested that someone go kill innocent victims randomly at a Walmart.

Dude called them invaders in his manifesto. Same language that you and Trump have used to describe hispanic people.

Continuing to defend your terrorism, I see.

 

[HomerJS]

Again, quite a stretch. Trump says that people here illegally should be deported back to their home country, he never suggested killing people with brown skin or did anything that would suggest that's what he want or that is the answer.

Go look at clips from the rally where Trump asks the crowd what do we do about these brown invaders. Someone yells shoot them. Instead of admonishing that person Trump just laughs and tacitly approves.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Dude called them invaders in his manifesto. Same language that you and Trump have used to describe hispanic people.

Continuing to defend your terrorism, I see.

Someone that is crossing our border illegally is in fact invading out country. This guy didn't go out shooting illegal immigrants. He shot up a Walmart, seemingly random people. Trump has never once called legal immigrants invaders. You guys want to make Trump and people like me so badly into racists, but it has nothing to do with that. Vetting whom we allow into the country is common sense, not racism.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Go look at clips from the rally where Trump asks the crowd what do we do about these brown invaders. Someone yells shoot them. Instead of admonishing that person Trump just laughs and tacitly approves.

Trump asked the crowd what to do about "brown invaders?" Can you post that here?

Or are you the one putting the emphasis on race / skin color?

 

[fskimospy]

Trump asked the crowd what to do about "brown invaders?" Can you post that here?

Or are you the one putting the emphasis on race / skin color?

This is the point at which we should probably remember that Slow has argued because there are Mexicans who would be considered white that saying bigoted things about Mexicans isn’t racist. Of course by this logic since some Africans would be considered white saying ‘I hate all African-Americans’ would similarly not be racist.

That’s the level of willful dishonesty our good friend Spidey is engaging in because he has no other defense for Trump’s enormous, lifelong racism.

 

[SlowSpyder]

This is the point at which we should probably remember that Slow has argued because there are Mexicans who would be considered white that saying bigoted things about Mexicans isn’t racist. Of course by this logic since some Africans would be considered white saying ‘I hate all African-Americans’ would similarly not be racist.

That’s the level of willful dishonesty our good friend Spidey is engaging in because he has no other defense for Trump’s enormous, lifelong racism.

I don't know what you're talking about, can you link the thread where I said that?

Whenever you are plainly wrong and know you are, you go off the rails. You're off the rails right now. No idea what you are talking about.

 

[HomerJS]

Trump asked the crowd what to do about "brown invaders?" Can you post that here?

Or are you the one putting the emphasis on race / skin color?

He wasn't referring to Norway. Everyone knows he only criticizes brown "invaders". Attempting to wordsmith your way out of Trump laughing at the suggestion of shooting Mexicans. Looks like someone was willing to carry out what Trump tacitly approved.

 

[glenn1]

This is the point at which we should probably remember that Slow has argued because there are Mexicans who would be considered white that saying bigoted things about Mexicans isn’t racist. Of course by this logic since some Africans would be considered white saying ‘I hate all African-Americans’ would similarly not be racist.

That’s the level of willful dishonesty our good friend Spidey is engaging in because he has no other defense for Trump’s enormous, lifelong racism.

Most Mexicans are considered "white" in racial terms. Latino is an ethnicity not a race, and in some places like Brazil "blacks" make up a majority share of the population. That's why most places requesting demographics for discrimination purposes ask the question about being a "non Latino white." For example, about 3-5% of Peru's population is "Asian" race and those persons would be Latinos of Asian race. It's you that needs to update his outdated world view on this subject.

 

[fskimospy]

Most Mexicans are considered "white" in racial terms. Latino is an ethnicity not a race, and in some places like Brazil "blacks" make up a majority share of the population. That's why most places requesting demographics for discrimination purposes ask the question about being a "non Latino white." For example, about 3-5% of Peru's population is "Asian" race and those persons would be Latinos of Asian race. It's you that needs to update his outdated world view on this subject.

Lol, I literally work with federal, state and local ethnicity data on probably a weekly basis so it’s safe to say I know many times the amount you do about this subject.

The fact that Hispanic identity is a modifier that can be expressed in conjunction with other ethnic identities means exactly zero to this discussion.

 

[purbeast0]

Trump asked the crowd what to do about "brown invaders?" Can you post that here?

Or are you the one putting the emphasis on race / skin color?

I mean I quoted you and posted the video on the previous page. Clearly you just want to pretend it doesn't exist in your fantasy world.

 

[glenn1]

Lol, I literally work with federal, state and local ethnicity data on probably a weekly basis so it’s safe to say I know many times the amount you do about this subject.

The fact that Hispanic identity is a modifier that can be expressed in conjunction with other ethnic identities means exactly zero to this discussion.

So are you talking about ethnic identities or racial identities? Here's your quote:

because there are Mexicans who would be considered white that saying bigoted things about Mexicans isn’t racist

Thus a white person saying bigoted things about "Mexicans who would be considered white" is not racism by definition unless that white person holds the view the "white race" is genetically inferior and they'd make the same statement about a white person whether they came from Sweden or Mexico. You already figured this out by your use of the correct word "bigoted" before you tried to conflate bigotry with racism in your example so you obviously know how to use the terms properly.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Again, quite a stretch. Trump says that people here illegally should be deported back to their home country, he never suggested killing people with brown skin or did anything that would suggest that's what he want or that is the answer.

Protect, deflect, deny the facts.

 

[fskimospy]

So are you talking about ethnic identities or racial identities? Here's your quote:

Thus a white person saying bigoted things about "Mexicans who would be considered white" is not racism by definition unless that white person holds the view the "white race" is genetically inferior and they'd make the same statement about a white person whether they came from Sweden or Mexico. You already figured this out by your use of the correct word "bigoted" before you tried to conflate bigotry with racism in your example so you obviously know how to use the terms properly.

I'm saying that the average person does not differentiate between the two and since that is what we are discussing the distinction is meaningless.

To try this out in normal conversation: if someone says 'I hate all Hispanic people' and someone responds 'that's racist!' try telling them '#actually, Hispanic identity is an ethnicity, not a race, so they are not racist.' See how far that gets you and be sure to count the number of eye rolls. This is simply another variation of the 'Mexico is a country, not a race, so when someone says they hate Mexicans they aren't racist' argument that also merits about the same number of eye rolls.

 

[TheVrolok]

Trump making it clear guns are not the problem and that nothing should be done about them.

 

[Grooveriding]

lol, the piece of filth tries to blame video games. The irony there, that argument is as empty as the ones that they encourage misogyny.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

And he blesses the people who perished in Toledo..... what an oblivious fucktwit.

 

[purbeast0]

And he blesses the people who perished in Toledo..... what an oblivious fucktwit.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1158382214612230144

LOL

 

[Amused]

I just watched the video of the Crawford shooting with the 911 call audio synced to it. Yup, IMHO, they yelled commands at him and then shot him a split second later without giving him, IMHO, a real chance to drop the weapon. Epic stupidity to walk around swinging an unpackaged pellet gun to begin with, but that doesn't make it okay to shoot the poor guy without giving him a chance to drop it.

But realize Crawford was clearly swinging the gun back and forth, and cops doesn't have to wait until you point a gun at them to shoot if they reasonably perceive a threat to the their safety or the safety of others. Which is why the cop(s) were not indited.

That said, the way cops rush in and force confrontations with armed suspects is almost barbaric. They could have contained the area and given commands from cover rather then rush in gun blazing. And the reports, changing stories and the treatment of Crawford's girlfriend during questioning afterwards was utterly shameful. They were obviously trying to put a spin on an otherwise questionable shooting and careers should have ended for that alone.

But your assertion that had he been white they would not have shot him is extremely questionable at very the least. And the fact that you and others use rare examples like this to brand all police as racist killers is epic bullshit. Just like it's epic bullshit to judge all minorities by the bad acts of a few.

But if you want to keep claiming that race is the deciding factor in shoots like this then I can't stop you. Just understand that as long as you make this about race, and keep claiming all cops are racist killers, it will be that much harder to get the reform in police tactics we need to reduce the number of shootings like Crawford's.

Um, it is long past time to keep pretending racism isn't systemic in our police forces or that we have to qualify every statement about blatant racism among cops.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...olice-facebook-posts-social-media/1357521001/

https://www.plainviewproject.org/

Nearly 1/3 of police social media accounts had racist or bigoted posts.

And that's just the cops stupid enough to post that shit on social media.

Long past fucking time to claim there is no disparity in the way whites and blacks are treated by cops.

 

[K1052]

Ok we're at the Trump has given the perfunctory hostage tape speech that his advisers made him make stage. After 6-12 hours of basically everybody panning it as meaningless bullshit he will get pissed and somehow find a way to say that the shooter's motivations were right.

 

[glenn1]

I'm saying that the average person does not differentiate between the two and since that is what we are discussing the distinction is meaningless.

To try this out in normal conversation: if someone says 'I hate all Hispanic people' and someone responds 'that's racist!' try telling them '#actually, Hispanic identity is an ethnicity, not a race, so they are not racist.' See how far that gets you and be sure to count the number of eye rolls. This is simply another variation of the 'Mexico is a country, not a race, so when someone says they hate Mexicans they aren't racist' argument that also merits about the same number of eye rolls.

I'll remember that next time someone says "Democratic Candidate X is a socialist!" and you attempt to say "#actually they're not a socialist, perhaps they're a Social Democrat but that's not the same thing as a Socialist who wants to seize the means of production." I'll just quote you about how the average person does not differentiate and count the eye rolls. Ditto when you attempt to say that your position on illegal immigration isn't actually open borders, I can just quote you here saying how the average person doesn't differentiate and the distinction between your position and open borders is meaningless.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1158382214612230144

LOL

Some of what Trump suggested is absolute bullshit like videogames. I'm having my ass handed to me with Dark Souls III right now and I haven't a desire to go behead people. Actually having proper mental care? Please. Harsh penalties for crimes like these, yes.

Now he has to consider everything he says as being influential because that is the obligation of any President and stop telling ACO and others to go back to where they came from and making up numbers about migrants to instill fear and hate. Stop attacking withTwitter and that means anyone. Push policies and reasons based on ascertained not cultivated facts.

The Dems ought to take Trump up on his words and send a bill without "let's take all ur guns" or proposing non-starter legislation which punishes responsible owners. Start with funding mental health legislation, part of which is to identify troubled people who need treatment and providing care. An improved and universal background check made accessible and timely. DO NOT poison pill it with people's outrage and demands that they know won't pass in the current climate, but do make the most rational and reasonable of Trump's suggestions the main thrust. McConnell will have to allow this or choke on the backlash from Trump's own people. Think strategically and use tactics which pit Trump against Republicans so we can get something sensible done and work from there.

 

[fskimospy]

I'll remember that next time someone says "Democratic Candidate X is a socialist!" and you attempt to say "#actually they're not a socialist, perhaps they're a Social Democrat but that's not the same thing as a Socialist who wants to seize the means of production." I'll just quote you about how the average person does not differentiate and count the eye rolls. Ditto when you attempt to say that your position on illegal immigration isn't actually open borders, I can just quote you here saying how the average person doesn't differentiate and the distinction between your position and open borders is meaningless.

Except of course that the average person does differentiate between those things, haha. If you ask the average American if Norway or Sweden are socialist countries they would say no. (because they aren't) Ditto with border policy - the average American doesn't think that the Democrats' policy is to open all the borders and let everyone in. (because it isn't)

I think you might be confusing 'what insane right wing people think' with 'what average Americans think'.

 

[fskimospy]

Anyone want to take bets on how long it will be before Trump says or tweets something that totally undermines whatever he just said this morning?

 

[K1052]

Some of what Trump suggested is absolute bullshit like videogames. I'm having my ass handed to me with Dark Souls III right now and I haven't a desire to go behead people. Actually having proper mental care? Please. Harsh penalties for crimes like these, yes.

Now he has to consider everything he says as being influential because that is the obligation of any President and stop telling ACO and others to go back to where they came from and making up numbers about migrants to instill fear and hate. Stop attacking withTwitter and that means anyone. Push policies and reasons based on ascertained not cultivated facts.

The Dems ought to take Trump up on his words and send a bill without "let's take all ur guns" or proposing non-starter legislation which punishes responsible owners. Start with funding mental health legislation, part of which is to identify troubled people who need treatment and providing care. An improved and universal background check made accessible and timely. DO NOT poison pill it with people's outrage and demands that they know won't pass in the current climate, but do make the most rational and reasonable of Trump's suggestions the main thrust. McConnell will have to allow this or choke on the backlash from Trump's own people. Think strategically and use tactics which pit Trump against Republicans so we can get something sensible done and work from there.

The Democrats sent up a background check bill in February which the Senate has failed to act on and the President has failed to mention. The GOP doesn't want to pass anything related to gun control ever, no matter what.


https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/27/politics/house-vote-gun-background-check/index.html

The universal background check bill, H.R. 8, requires background checks on all firearm sales in the country. Currently, only licensed gun dealers must perform background checks for anyone seeking to purchase a firearm. Most unlicensed sellers do not; H.R. 8 would make that illegal. There are exemptions to the law like "gifts to family members and transfers for hunting, target shooting, and self-defense," according to the House Judiciary Committee website.

The measure passed 240-190. Eight Republicans voted for the bill, and two Democrats, Jared Golden of Maine and Collin Peterson of Minnesota, voted against it.

The bill will move to the Senate, where it is unlikely to pass in the Republican-majority chamber as legislation often needs 60 or more votes to advance.

 

[K1052]

Anyone want to take bets on how long it will be before Trump says or tweets something that totally undermines whatever he just said this morning?

24 hours or less. The coverage is going to be brutal and drive him insane.