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SlowSpyder

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He inspired the hate and someone agreed and acted, just like the wannabomber, who was also inspired by Trump. Donnie was his hero because of what he says and does, the things you defend. Top level religious leaders point out the evil of the Great Satan and others act as this guy did. Since they cannot control their inspired hate those who responsibly own and use firearms will suffer. Better than calling out Trump who even now in this hour is saying that his immigration vision needs to be passed when his alarmism is responsible for things like this.

So please stop talking about weapons as you asked for this. Oh you didn't want it, but you asked regardless.

Didn't ask to shoot up a Walmart? I don't think Pinochet was that specific either and he had the power that Trump is prevented from having only by his opposition.

You and yours own this inspired manipulative hate and we all will suffer except for Trump of course. In another quirk of latin quotes "Ecce Homo"


Mass shootings happened before Trump. Trump has done nothing to push people to go out and randomly kill people. You guys never can accept personal responsibility, it always has to be someone else's fault. I do not see hate from Trump at all, I see someone that wants the nation to come together. He has never seriously suggested killing anyone. If a white nationalist terrorist acts, it isn't due to Trump. I put white nationalist Nazi types on the same shelf I put muslim terrorists on. They are not people I agree with in the least and are not what Trump is about.
 

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Henry II: ‘will no one rid me of this meddlesome priest?’

SlowSpyder: ‘Henry II never called for Becket to be murdered, that’s projecting!’
 
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SlowSpyder

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Well that’s the whole thing, isn’t it. According to his manifesto he wasn’t killing people randomly, he was killing Hispanic people in order to terrorize them into leaving the country.

Trump routinely engages in racist and violent rhetoric against Hispanic migrants and describes the situation on the border as an ‘invasion’ and an ‘infestation’. Anyone with a brain can pretty easily draw A->B there.

As Hayabusa mentions it’s a similar situation with the MAGAbomber. He was maybe not the most stable guy to begin with and was radicalized by Trump and right wing media to the point he started trying to kill people.

I know you and Trump will never own up to his and right wing media’s role in radicalizing these people because that would require humility and admitting you were wrong. I’m sure here just like everything else with guns you’ll pretend it’s everything else’s fault.


Ok, so he is doing something Trump never suggested or implied. I blame the Democrats more than Trump. If your type would actually allow the law to be enforced, to have the border secured maybe someone like this guy wouldn't be so triggered. A lot of us want common sense immigration, what the left is pushing is far from it (socialized healthcare, education, no enforcement of the border). Regardless, the problem begins with and ends with the shooter here. He obviously wasn't stable and did something that Trump has never called for or suggested.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_shooting_of_Dallas_police_officers

^Was BLM to blame for this guy? Y/N?
 

fskimospy

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This guy is just fucking unreal. My brain cannot comprehend how anyone an iota of brain cells can support this dumb fuck.



Interesting how he’s the chief law enforcement officer when it comes to obstructing investigations into crimes committed by himself and his associates but all of a sudden it’s the media’s responsibility when it comes to preventing right wing terrorism.
 
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SlowSpyder

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Henry II: ‘will no one rid me of this meddlesome priest?’

SlowSpyder: ‘Henry II never called for Becket to be murdered, that’s projecting!’


Again, quite a stretch. Trump says that people here illegally should be deported back to their home country, he never suggested killing people with brown skin or did anything that would suggest that's what he want or that is the answer.
 

fskimospy

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Ok, so he is doing something Trump never suggested or implied. I blame the Democrats more than Trump. If your type would actually allow the law to be enforced, to have the border secured maybe someone like this guy wouldn't be so triggered. A lot of us want common sense immigration, what the left is pushing is far from it (socialized healthcare, education, no enforcement of the border). Regardless, the problem begins with and ends with the shooter here. He obviously wasn't stable and did something that Trump has never called for or suggested.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_shooting_of_Dallas_police_officers

^Was BLM to blame for this guy? Y/N?

Lol, exactly as I predicted. Thanks for confirming!
 

fskimospy

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Again, quite a stretch. Trump says that people here illegally should be deported back to their home country, he never suggested killing people with brown skin or did anything that would suggest that's what he want or that is the answer.

Henry II did not suggest killing anyone either, he simply described a problem he wished to be solved.
 

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Mass shootings happened before Trump. Trump has done nothing to push people to go out and randomly kill people. You guys never can accept personal responsibility, it always has to be someone else's fault. I do not see hate from Trump at all, I see someone that wants the nation to come together. He has never seriously suggested killing anyone. If a white nationalist terrorist acts, it isn't due to Trump. I put white nationalist Nazi types on the same shelf I put muslim terrorists on. They are not people I agree with in the least and are not what Trump is about.
Obsession is addiction. And you got a bad case of Trump.
Get help.
 

fskimospy

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Is BLM to blame for that shooting in 2016? Is Obama to blame for some of the things he said about law enforcement?

Like I said, you’re desperately flailing to blame anyone but the people most responsible. You’re so incredibly predictable.

It would be great if just once conservatives would take even the tiniest bit of personal responsibility.
 

glenn1

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So you're in favor of the random mass murder of people solely because of their political speech? Even assuming your paranoid dementia here were accurate (and it isn't, and I'm an ardent capitalist), I'd still say you're the greater threat to freedom. If not just a fucking criminal.

So guns remain unrestricted and you get to continue being afraid while calling me what you think are bad names. Fair trade.
 
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Like I said, you’re desperately flailing to blame anyone but the people most responsible. You’re so incredibly predictable.

It would be great if just once conservatives would take even the tiniest bit of personal responsibility.


No, I blame the shooter first and foremost, I think that's where the responsibility is. You're blaming Trump for this tragedy, so I'd like to know if BLM and Obama are to blame for the 2016 mass shooting by a man that wanted to go out and kill white people and especially white cops. Who is to blame for this?
 

SlowSpyder

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Henry II did not suggest killing anyone either, he simply described a problem he wished to be solved.


And can you show me where Trump said he just wants brown people to go away? A clip preferred, but I'll read a transcription if that's the best you can do. Please, show me where Trump said to get rid of brown people or Hispanics.
 

fskimospy

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No, I blame the shooter first and foremost, I think that's where the responsibility is. You're blaming Trump for this tragedy, so I'd like to know if BLM and Obama are to blame for the 2016 mass shooting by a man that wanted to go out and kill white people and especially white cops. Who is to blame for this?

Everyone blames the shooter first and foremost but like I said you’re desperately attempting to deflect blame away from Trump because conservatives are allergic to personal responsibility. It’s always everyone else’s fault but yours.

When Trump spends years demonizing Hispanics, calling their presence an invasion and using the military to respond to it it’s common sense that radicalized people are going to take him at his word and engage in a violent response.
 

fskimospy

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And can you show me where Trump said he just wants brown people to go away? A clip preferred, but I'll read a transcription if that's the best you can do. Please, show me where Trump said to get rid of brown people or Hispanics.

Sure, just go watch his announcement for his presidential campaign and go forward from there.

Man that was easy, hahaha.
 

glenn1

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Everyone blames the shooter first and foremost but like I said you’re desperately attempting to deflect blame away from Trump because conservatives are allergic to personal responsibility. It’s always everyone else’s fault but yours.

When Trump spends years demonizing Hispanics, calling their presence an invasion and using the military to respond to it it’s common sense that radicalized people are going to take him at his word and engage in a violent response.

There's an easy way for illegal immigrants to avoid radicalized people engaging in a violent response - don't come here illegally.
 
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Hayabusa Rider

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Mass shootings happened before Trump. Trump has done nothing to push people to go out and randomly kill people. You guys never can accept personal responsibility, it always has to be someone else's fault. I do not see hate from Trump at all, I see someone that wants the nation to come together. He has never seriously suggested killing anyone. If a white nationalist terrorist acts, it isn't due to Trump. I put white nationalist Nazi types on the same shelf I put muslim terrorists on. They are not people I agree with in the least and are not what Trump is about.

Mass shootings have always happened. This comes to no surprise to anyone. But you yourself love to claim fact where there are none that can be demonstrated. Leftists DID beat up that guy but you had no proof.

"Pushing"? Don't try that please as that's not even part of the discussion. When Jews were attacked in Europe it was fueled by leaders like Trump who "pushed" no one either. They just pointed out "facts" which often weren't like you did.

Personal responsibility? This guy will pay but whose who inspire him, who fill his mind with hate like your Wannabomber, are responsible for kindling the fire. But BLM? Why don't you bring up statistics about the number of shooting they caused vs your side, the right wing who embrace your dear leader? Those who say Heil Trump? The FBI knows who is most responsible and you and yours sir own it.

You see someone who wants to bring the nation together. Do did Il Duce, and all under his vision for a greater Italy. If he is bringing people together then why are those who are doing the majority of political killings in your camp "uniting"?

But you take no personal responsibility and even the crazy Conservative Goldwater would have Trump bounced out of the office for being the new hate inspiring equivalent of Communism today. No sir, you don't get out of this one.

These people are exactly what Trump is about and you will continue to blame everyone else and not take responsibility, making the absurd claims that this is random when clearly and demonstrably it is not.

You see the reaction against firearms? You inspire that too with the ignorance of your side. Personal responsibility? You've never taken ownership of that you help create. Protect, deflect, deny the facts. Maybe I should make a Latin motto from that just for you, and I'm a 2nd amendment proponent. Thanks Trump.
 

SlowSpyder

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Everyone blames the shooter first and foremost but like I said you’re desperately attempting to deflect blame away from Trump because conservatives are allergic to personal responsibility. It’s always everyone else’s fault but yours.

When Trump spends years demonizing Hispanics, calling their presence an invasion and using the military to respond to it it’s common sense that radicalized people are going to take him at his word and engage in a violent response.


He does not demonize Hispanics, not at all. In fact a fair number of them voted for him and he has gone out of his way to court minorities and win favor. Wanting ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS deported and wanting our border laws enforced does not mean racism nor does it mean a dislike or hatred for brown people. You have to be smart enough to understand this, no? Your type continues to conflate issues. Immigration is NOT the same as illegal immigration. We cannot even have a real conversation until you acknowledge that fact.
 

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There's an easy way for illegal immigrants to avoid radicalized people engaging in a violent response - don't come here illegally.

If the woman just kept her mouth shut her husband wouldn’t have had to hit her again.
Victim blaming is never a good look.

Btw how many legal residents were killed and wounded? What should they do to avoid being shot by radicalized racist nut jobs? Go back to where they originally came from?
 

glenn1

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If the woman just kept her mouth shut her husband wouldn’t have had to hit her again.
Victim blaming is never a good look.

Btw how many legal residents were killed and wounded? What should they do to avoid being shot by radicalized racist nut jobs? Go back to where they originally came from?

Don't worry it won't deter any illegals from coming here.
 

fskimospy

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He does not demonize Hispanics, not at all. In fact a fair number of them voted for him and he has gone out of his way to court minorities and win favor. Wanting ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS deported and wanting our border laws enforced does not mean racism nor does it mean a dislike or hatred for brown people. You have to be smart enough to understand this, no? Your type continues to conflate issues. Immigration is NOT the same as illegal immigration. We cannot even have a real conversation until you acknowledge that fact.

Lol I’m sure not even you believe lies this huge.

If only Henry II had said ‘Thomas Becket is a rapist and a murderer and we should do something about it’ then he would have been in the clear on inciting violence. Rookie mistake, Henry!
 

fskimospy

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Odd that all the white supremacists are such big fans of the president who is apparently going out of his way at every opportunity to cater to minorities.