Yamaha 8824 CD-RW problem - Everyone with CD-R can help !

[err]

Hi,

I just purchased a Yamaha 8824 IDE to replace my Yamaha 4416S SCSI CD-RW.

I have problem burning at 8x, or even 4x from my CD-ROM which is Mitsumi 48x. It will always get buffer underrun. I've chaged the mode to PIO only, disabled Virus scan, made sure HD is defragged and stay away 10 feet from the computer while its burning.

I have no problem burning from this CD-ROM on my Yamaha 4416S. The system setup is the same, so hardware setup is not to blame.

Anyway, when I copied the whole CD to my HD and let my 8824 burn at 8x from HD, it works flawlessly.

My question is:
1. Do most people with 8x CD-RW experience problem copying directly from CD-ROM ?
2. Should I return this drive and exchange for Plextor 8/4/32 ?
3. Anyone experience the same problem burning from CD-ROM at 8x?
4. Am I stupid to trade my 4416S ?

The primary reason I chose this CD-RW was for its 8x re-write, but it is damn hard to look for 8x CD-RW ! ...

anyway, any thoughts is appreciated.

eRr

 

[err]

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[ElFenix]

i know my 48x rips cd audio at 9x... so maybe... but then i've got a 4x... copying cds works fine, though

 

[err]

Update:

I have successfully copied from CD-ROM at 4x .... at least that's an improvement.

I did called up 2 of my friends with Plex 8/4/32
both claimed to have troubles copying direct from CD-ROM at 8x ..
Their CD-ROM drives are Pioneer 16x DVD / Pioneer 10x DVD respectively.

Are we all having trouble copying directly from CD-ROM at 8x ?
What can I do to do this ?

Thx again

eRr

 

[LXi]

8x read speed is pretty hard for today's average CD-ROMs. Also, make sure your media is 8x compliant. If you really want 8x speed that bad, I would probably invest some money on a faster CD-ROM, no point in trading in for the Plextor, the Yamaha will be just fine.

 

[err]

LXi,

Thx for the advice, you are right about trading yamaha with plextor. It would just be the same.

I guess I have to live with 4x cd-rom copy

eRr

 

[LXi]

4x copy is not that bad. Just one more thing to try, did you enable DMA for both your CD-ROM and CD-RW? That can make a huge difference.

 

[err]

nope ... I disabled DMA for my cd-rw ... I thought that was supposed to help ?

I enabled DMA and all I've got is coasters, even on 4x

 

[Mark R]

8x is simply too fast for some CD-ROM drives to keep up, especially, if you are trying to copy audio.

My Panasonic 24x can't keep up with my 8x burner when doing audio.

You may also want to try a different program - some are better than others. Give nero a try if you haven't already done so.

 

[bannor11]

Doing on the fly copy for Audio is tough on the reader, even for a 48x reader. If you want to use your 8x CD-RW for on the fly copies, make sure you copy Data CDs, which should be ok even at 10x-12x. Also, make sure you reader and writer are on different IDE channels to better your chances at avoiding a buffer underrun. The Yamaha is a great drive. I assume you were trying to burn an audio cd at 8x, in which case it's no surprise you got a buffer underrun. Better yet, get the Plextor with Burn-Proof, that way you don't have to worry about setting the write speed too fast.

 

[andrey]

Plextor 40x SCSI and Yamaha 8424 combo works flawlessly for me (CD-to-CD Copy "on-the-fly&quot. I agree with every other post above, your CD-ROM just cannot keep up with recording speed of 8X.
I hope this helps,

 

[err]

Thx for all the info ....

I did split the DMA channel. My CD-rom is primary slave and my cd-rw is secondary master.

I think it's just my cd-rom that is too slow. gosh (48x & 52x is slow now, wonder what will happen when 16x or 20x drive comes out next year)

Anyway, thx again everyone

eRr

 

[hans007]

try a good cdrom drive. Like a toshiba 40x or something.

 

[Warrenton]

I can copy AUDIO --- FROM A CD ON THE FLY AT 12X!!!

Simple: Plextor 40X reader (19-44X audio rip speed if the disc is clean and not scratched)
and the Plextor 12/4/32 SCSI burner.

 

[3615buck]

I use a Plextor 8-4-32 and A pioneer 16-40 DVD, copying on the fly sometimes works... sometimles not ! It depends on the disc you are trying to copy, if it is scratched, you reader slows down and sometimes forgets to reaccelerate... ===> Buffer underrun. I gave up trying to copy rented CDs on the fly, too many scratches...I think people don't mind scratching rented CDs because these are not theirs... Such a shame...

 

[subman]

err....

Change the setting of "typical role of this computer...." to Network Server in Control Panel / system / performance / file sytem

I found this change makes a difference sometimes.

I have a Yamaha 8424s and a Pioneer 6x DVD drive and I have no problems at 8x speed CDR copying.

 

[cloudchief]

If you are copying audio you might want to try Exact Audio Copy. When you copy audio on the fly the copy gets padded with zeroes, this won't make much of a difference on the first or maybe second generation but by the third or so, you start getting ticks and pops. EAC does exactly what it claims, makes Exact Audio Copys, so your tenth generation will sound just like the first. To use EAC you copy to hard drive first so you no longer have a problem.

EAC

Best of all EAC is postcardware, send Andre an interesting postcard with cool stamps.

 

[Shagga]

What made you change from SCSI to IDE. SCSI is far better in my experience when copying on the fly. However, I can only copy at 4x on my set up.

Personally, I would try to stick with the SCSI to SCSI combination. I'm like andrey Plextor 40x SCSI to Yamaha 4260 SCSI and have no problems at all. I can even use other applications while copying.