YAHDTVT: 1080p and native resolutions

[Oscar1613]

edit: bought mitsu 46" LCD. is the power conditioner bs or do i really need it?

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i'm looking to get an HDTV in the 37-42" range and my current top 2 are a samsung 40" LCD and a panasonic 42" plasma.

the samsung is a true 1080p set, so its a little more expensive. but i'm wondering if 1080p is even worth it as i won't be getting a blu-ray or hd dvd player and theres currently no 1080p broadcasts, altho it would have enough res to display all of the 1080i broadcasts. furthermore, it would have to upscale the lower res broadcasts to 1080.

the panny is a "1080i" set, but the native res is only 1024x768 which isnt enough to display even 720p without scaling, but it would be scaling down instead of up. but on the plus side, its a bit cheaper and its a plasma so the blacks would be deeper and colors would be crisper.

or 3rd choice would be a "1080i" LCD with a native res of 1366x768 to meet the two in the middle...

so is true 1080p worth it? will the image quality suffer on 720p sources being upscaled for the samsung vs. downscaled for the panny? any advice is greatly appreciated and other suggestions are welcome too

 

[biggestmuff]

42" is sort of the starting point for 1080. Anything below that and you won't be able to see much difference between 720 and 1080. It up to you; it's your money!

 

[imported_Devine]

rarrr bigger better mmm grrr</caveman>

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Oscar1613
i'm looking to get an HDTV in the 37-42" range and my current top 2 are a samsung 40" LCD and a panasonic 42" plasma.

the samsung is a true 1080p set, so its a little more expensive. but i'm wondering if 1080p is even worth it as i won't be getting a blu-ray or hd dvd player and theres currently no 1080p broadcasts, altho it would have enough res to display all of the 1080i broadcasts. furthermore, it would have to upscale the lower res broadcasts to 1080.

the panny is a "1080i" set, but the native res is only 1024x768 which isnt enough to display even 720p without scaling, but it would be scaling down instead of up. but on the plus side, its a bit cheaper and its a plasma so the blacks would be deeper and colors would be crisper.

or 3rd choice would be a "1080i" LCD with a native res of 1366x768 to meet the two in the middle...

so is true 1080p worth it? will the image quality suffer on 720p sources being upscaled for the samsung vs. downscaled for the panny? any advice is greatly appreciated and other suggestions are welcome too

The sets that call themselves "1080i" sets but have a native resolution of 1366x768 are stretching the truth a bit. To be 1080i you need to have 1920x1080.

The one that only displays 1024x768 is useless. It's not even a HDTV set.

 

[rsd]

Honestly, I'd personally get something on the cheaper side.

E.g. I bet you can't beat this 37" 720p LCD set from Frys for $600 + shipping. I bet the 1080p set is 2-3x as much.

http://shop1.outpost.com/product/5060095

 

[sjwaste]

You're getting a ton of misinformation here.

The 1024x768 set is true 720p. Some plasmas use rectangular pixels, hence being able to do 16:9 w/ 1024x768 res (4:3 if it were square).

I wouldn't worry at this screen size about going for a 1080p panel. Ie, if the price difference leaves you with a choice of a 37" 1080p or a 42" 720p native, I'd go for the 42" if it were for TV watching (and not pc gaming, etc).

 

[sjwaste]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Oscar1613
i'm looking to get an HDTV in the 37-42" range and my current top 2 are a samsung 40" LCD and a panasonic 42" plasma.

the samsung is a true 1080p set, so its a little more expensive. but i'm wondering if 1080p is even worth it as i won't be getting a blu-ray or hd dvd player and theres currently no 1080p broadcasts, altho it would have enough res to display all of the 1080i broadcasts. furthermore, it would have to upscale the lower res broadcasts to 1080.

the panny is a "1080i" set, but the native res is only 1024x768 which isnt enough to display even 720p without scaling, but it would be scaling down instead of up. but on the plus side, its a bit cheaper and its a plasma so the blacks would be deeper and colors would be crisper.

or 3rd choice would be a "1080i" LCD with a native res of 1366x768 to meet the two in the middle...

so is true 1080p worth it? will the image quality suffer on 720p sources being upscaled for the samsung vs. downscaled for the panny? any advice is greatly appreciated and other suggestions are welcome too

The sets that call themselves "1080i" sets but have a native resolution of 1366x768 are stretching the truth a bit. To be 1080i you need to have 1920x1080.

The one that only displays 1024x768 is useless. It's not even a HDTV set.

No they aren't. It means they support a 1080i input, which is then deinterlaced and scaled to the native res.

Wrong again on the 1024x768 plasma not being HD. Rectangular pixels.

Does anyone even bother to check their facts before posting misinformation?

 

[sjwaste]

 

[sjwaste]

Originally posted by: biggestmuff
42" is sort of the starting point for 1080. Anything below that and you won't be able to see much difference between 720 and 1080. It up to you; it's your money!

I've heard the same, although some will even say it starts at around 50". It really depends, if its for TV only, by all means it's far less important to get a 1920x1080 panel. If it'll double for pc gaming, it might make a difference (if you have a video card that can game at that res!).

 

[Oscar1613]

Originally posted by: sjwaste
You're getting a ton of misinformation here.

The 1024x768 set is true 720p. Some plasmas use rectangular pixels, hence being able to do 16:9 w/ 1024x768 res (4:3 if it were square).

I wouldn't worry at this screen size about going for a 1080p panel. Ie, if the price difference leaves you with a choice of a 37" 1080p or a 42" 720p native, I'd go for the 42" if it were for TV watching (and not pc gaming, etc).

i thought 720p was 1280x720. it may be able to do 16:9 with rectangular pixels but it will still have to scale the 1280 width to 1024, no?

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: sjwaste

Originally posted by: biggestmuff
42" is sort of the starting point for 1080. Anything below that and you won't be able to see much difference between 720 and 1080. It up to you; it's your money!

I've heard the same, although some will even say it starts at around 50". It really depends, if its for TV only, by all means it's far less important to get a 1920x1080 panel. If it'll double for pc gaming, it might make a difference (if you have a video card that can game at that res!).

It depends how close to the TV you sit.

 

[Caesar]

PQ is much more than resolution. In fact contrast, black levels, color saturation and color accuracy are much much more important. Panasonic 42" excels in all these categories.

Link

 

[biggestmuff]

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: sjwaste

Originally posted by: biggestmuff
42" is sort of the starting point for 1080. Anything below that and you won't be able to see much difference between 720 and 1080. It up to you; it's your money!

I've heard the same, although some will even say it starts at around 50". It really depends, if its for TV only, by all means it's far less important to get a 1920x1080 panel. If it'll double for pc gaming, it might make a difference (if you have a video card that can game at that res!).

It depends how close to the TV you sit.

I forgot to mention that it also depends on the content you're going to watch. If you're just going to view SD cable and SD DVDs, then I don't know if I'd spend the extra dough on a 1080 display. If you're gong to purchase the HD tier cable channels and plan on buying an HD DVD or Bluray Disc player in the near future, then, by all means, get a 1080 screen.

Also, what are you doing for sound? Going HD at 1080 with one of the newer HD discs isn't worth it without a 7.1 A/V receiver and speakers.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: sjwaste

No they aren't. It means they support a 1080i input, which is then deinterlaced and scaled to the native res.

Wrong again on the 1024x768 plasma not being HD. Rectangular pixels.

Does anyone even bother to check their facts before posting misinformation?

Oh geez, another idiot wants to challenge me.

You want to talk about misinformation? How can you call 1024x768 HDTV, when the lowest broadcast HDTV standard is 1280x720p? The next higher standard is 1920x1080i.

1024x768 is just XGA resolution which is NOT HDTV. It lacks the horizontal resolution to fully display either of the broadcast standards. Simply accepting an HDTV signal and then scaling it down to sub-HDTV resolutions does *NOT* make your TV an HDTV. If you want to get off on the technicality that HDTV only needs to display 720 lines vertical to be HDTV, then I could make the case that a 1x720 tv is a true HDTV as long as those pixels are big rectangles and maintain the 16:9 aspect ratio.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Oscar1613

Originally posted by: sjwaste
You're getting a ton of misinformation here.

The 1024x768 set is true 720p. Some plasmas use rectangular pixels, hence being able to do 16:9 w/ 1024x768 res (4:3 if it were square).

I wouldn't worry at this screen size about going for a 1080p panel. Ie, if the price difference leaves you with a choice of a 37" 1080p or a 42" 720p native, I'd go for the 42" if it were for TV watching (and not pc gaming, etc).

i thought 720p was 1280x720. it may be able to do 16:9 with rectangular pixels but it will still have to scale the 1280 width to 1024, no?

You are correct. You could have a 16:9 TV in EDTV resolution that accepts HDTV signals, but that still doesn't make it a HDTV

 

[mercanucaribe]

Originally posted by: Oscar1613
i'm looking to get an HDTV in the 37-42" range and my current top 2 are a samsung 40" LCD and a panasonic 42" plasma.

the samsung is a true 1080p set, so its a little more expensive. but i'm wondering if 1080p is even worth it as i won't be getting a blu-ray or hd dvd player and theres currently no 1080p broadcasts, altho it would have enough res to display all of the 1080i broadcasts. furthermore, it would have to upscale the lower res broadcasts to 1080.

the panny is a "1080i" set, but the native res is only 1024x768 which isnt enough to display even 720p without scaling, but it would be scaling down instead of up. but on the plus side, its a bit cheaper and its a plasma so the blacks would be deeper and colors would be crisper.

or 3rd choice would be a "1080i" LCD with a native res of 1366x768 to meet the two in the middle...

so is true 1080p worth it? will the image quality suffer on 720p sources being upscaled for the samsung vs. downscaled for the panny? any advice is greatly appreciated and other suggestions are welcome too

What is this 1024x768 nonsense? Why would anyone buy something like that? 720p is 1280x720, so it would be scaling down horizontally and UP vertically. That is CRAP.

 

[mercanucaribe]

Originally posted by: sjwaste

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Oscar1613
i'm looking to get an HDTV in the 37-42" range and my current top 2 are a samsung 40" LCD and a panasonic 42" plasma.

the samsung is a true 1080p set, so its a little more expensive. but i'm wondering if 1080p is even worth it as i won't be getting a blu-ray or hd dvd player and theres currently no 1080p broadcasts, altho it would have enough res to display all of the 1080i broadcasts. furthermore, it would have to upscale the lower res broadcasts to 1080.

the panny is a "1080i" set, but the native res is only 1024x768 which isnt enough to display even 720p without scaling, but it would be scaling down instead of up. but on the plus side, its a bit cheaper and its a plasma so the blacks would be deeper and colors would be crisper.

or 3rd choice would be a "1080i" LCD with a native res of 1366x768 to meet the two in the middle...

so is true 1080p worth it? will the image quality suffer on 720p sources being upscaled for the samsung vs. downscaled for the panny? any advice is greatly appreciated and other suggestions are welcome too

The sets that call themselves "1080i" sets but have a native resolution of 1366x768 are stretching the truth a bit. To be 1080i you need to have 1920x1080.

The one that only displays 1024x768 is useless. It's not even a HDTV set.

No they aren't. It means they support a 1080i input, which is then deinterlaced and scaled to the native res.

Wrong again on the 1024x768 plasma not being HD. Rectangular pixels.

Does anyone even bother to check their facts before posting misinformation?

HAHA! 720p is 1280x720!!! How do you figure that 1024x768 with rectangular pixels is the same thing? Like I said, it scales in TWO directions. If for some reason you think that doesn't hurt image quality, take a 1280x720 image and resize it to 1024x768 in Photoshop. Think that's bad? Then you'd have to somehow stretch your monitor's pixels to make them rectangular to see how much it REALLY sucks.

 

[mercanucaribe]

By the way 1366x768 sucks too.

 

[Oscar1613]

Originally posted by: biggestmuff

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: sjwaste

Originally posted by: biggestmuff
42" is sort of the starting point for 1080. Anything below that and you won't be able to see much difference between 720 and 1080. It up to you; it's your money!

I've heard the same, although some will even say it starts at around 50". It really depends, if its for TV only, by all means it's far less important to get a 1920x1080 panel. If it'll double for pc gaming, it might make a difference (if you have a video card that can game at that res!).

It depends how close to the TV you sit.

I forgot to mention that it also depends on the content you're going to watch. If you're just going to view SD cable and SD DVDs, then I don't know if I'd spend the extra dough on a 1080 display. If you're gong to purchase the HD tier cable channels and plan on buying an HD DVD or Bluray Disc player in the near future, then, by all means, get a 1080 screen.

Also, what are you doing for sound? Going HD at 1080 with one of the newer HD discs isn't worth it without a 7.1 A/V receiver and speakers.

yeah i'm gonna get HD cable, but i dont plan on getting hd dvd or bluray anytime soon... and receiver and speakers are next on my list after the tv

 

[Oscar1613]

now i'm thinking about the Mitsubishi LT-46131. yay? nay? its 46" cause i decided i could deal with a tv a little wider than the stand since its so nice

 

[thepd7]

Any particular reason why you aren't looking at Samsung DLP's? You can get a lot more for your money, the only thing is you can't hang too many of them on a wall. Still really light though.

 

[Viper GTS]

Originally posted by: thepd7
Any particular reason why you aren't looking at Samsung DLP's? You can get a lot more for your money, the only thing is you can't hang too many of them on a wall. Still really light though.

+1 for the Samsung DLP (well, DLP in general I suppose...). It's seriously amazing how light they are.

I :heart: my 61" 1080P.

Viper GTS

 

[RossMAN]

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: thepd7
Any particular reason why you aren't looking at Samsung DLP's? You can get a lot more for your money, the only thing is you can't hang too many of them on a wall. Still really light though.

+1 for the Samsung DLP (well, DLP in general I suppose...). It's seriously amazing how light they are.

I :heart: my 61" 1080P.

Viper GTS

I saw a Sammy 56" 1080p DLP @ CC yesterday and it was gorgeous.

 

[Viper GTS]

Originally posted by: RossMAN

I saw a Sammy 56" 1080p DLP @ CC yesterday and it was gorgeous.

The best part is stores will go WAY lower than their listed prices.

I paid nearly $200 less for my 61" WITH a 4 year PSP than BB has the 50" listed for this week.

Viper GTS

 

[RossMAN]

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: RossMAN

I saw a Sammy 56" 1080p DLP @ CC yesterday and it was gorgeous.

The best part is stores will go WAY lower than their listed prices.

I paid nearly $200 less for my 61" WITH a 4 year PSP than BB has the 50" listed for this week.

Viper GTS

Yep especially if you inquire if they offer a replacement plan? You can almost hear them have a mini-orgasm. Last year I almost bought a Samsung 50" DLP 720p from CC, if I purchased the warranty they dropped the TV price by $350 and threw in free delivery ($59).