YAGT- Well not girl but Hand Gun!

[Maximilian]

PKM with red dot and magnum ammo is pretty good.

 

[Kelvrick]

You know, thumbs forward isn't necessarily the best combat grip there is. It's great for target shooting and competition, but a lot of people don't like using it for combat type scenarios. mainly because its pretty useless if you have to fire with just 1 hand..should your other hand be doing something like, guarding a hostage or shoving your 3yr old out of the way, wiping your ass, ect.


And no, I never engage the safety on my beretta by racking the slide. never, ever. even if I was to israeli carry it, I wouldn't activate the safety. You push the safety up to disengage, and to rack the slide you should pull straight back. not back and down (which would engage the safety) and it takes the same amount of time to slide a mag home and rack the slide as it does to slam it home and hit the slide lock.

Maybe not, but it puts me on target and I've compensated with one handed training for both main and off-hand. Everyone needs to find what works for them, which is why I said these were my own thoughts, not gospel.

I guess I'm not as good as you or Travis Haley. I do it wrong. You should just ignore me in all things firearms related.

EDIT: For OP, I don't know where in So Cal you are, but here are some places for rent. Just realize rentals aren't the best representation of what a model will do. They don't exactly take care of the rentals.

http://www.on-targetrange.com/Rangei...geinfopage.htm
http://www.insightrangeinc.com/
http://www.ocindoorrange.com/rentals.upfl
http://www.firingline.net/

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

If you want a 1911, look no further than Kimber.

If you want a nicer 1911 keep looking 😉

 

[HybridSquirrel]

PKM with red dot and magnum ammo is pretty good.

i see what you did there. m60 is still better.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Im in the market for a handgun.

I was looking for some advice on a good one.

The ones i was currently looking at is the Sig P229, SW M&P, Glock 23.


1. I live in Cali. - if it means anything.. we have crap gun laws here, so it has to be legal to purchase from gun store after i apply for a permit.

2. I prefer the 9mm. Because its easier to shoot and ammo is cheap, from what ive been playing with. But i understand people here are smarter then my friends who think they know it all, so i want to hear everyone's opinion.

3. The gun should be fairly easy to handle



No... i dont want a .50 cal desert eagle... i am seriously looking for something for me, and not something to hang on the wall.

TIA

You don't need a permit to own a handgun in California...and you can't buy the .50 DE anyway.

Honestly, I'd recommend starting out with something simple like a .357 Magnum revolver. It's a great round for self defense, they are extremely reliable and simple to use, and you can shoot .38 special through it for cheap fun at the shooting range.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Here ya go again

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=glock+9mm+blew+up+

The first result should be from The High Road, read through that thread.

There are lots of other articles about glock pistols taking damage.

That's the dumbest bit of advice I've ever read. Don't recommend Glocks because some dumbass fired a round that was not loaded properly (probably just had the primer in there and no gun powder).

Glocks are great guns. I own a model 17 myself I bought it new in 1994 and never had a bit of trouble with it...nor any accidental discharges and I've put thousands of rounds through it.

 

[Kelvrick]

You don't need a permit to own a handgun in California...and you can't buy the .50 DE anyway.

Honestly, I'd recommend starting out with something simple like a .357 Magnum revolver. It's a great round for self defense, they are extremely reliable and simple to use, and you can shoot .38 special through it for cheap fun at the shooting range.

But you need to pass a farce of a test to get your "handgun certificate."

 

[x-alki]

I have a 92 FS and never had a problem engaging the safety when racking the slide. I have however accidentally hit the slide release with my thumb. Other than learning to keep my thumb away from the release I have had no problems with the gun. It's incredibly simple to field strip and maintain, a straight shooter and heavy enough it can double as a hammer.

 

[JulesMaximus]

But you need to pass a farce of a test to get your "handgun certificate."

If you've taken the hunter safety course it exempts you from the $20 CA literacy test. I'd hardly call it a permit.

 

[duragezic]

I prefer hickock45 because he actually shoots the guns as he reviews them. Nutnfancy spends 15 minutes alone talking about the uses of the gun....and then refers everything back to a glock and if its a polymer gun he just says its a glock copy, and you should basically just buy a glock. His xd, sr9, and m&p review basically said "just buy a glock"

but then again, hickock45 also preaches glocks a lot.

Yeah he was worse about it initially, but these days it's not really like that. Well, he still talks a lot... that didn't change! 🙂 Most of it is great info still. He gets a bit repetitive with some things though, and for a regular viewer it might seem more repetitive so he needs to strike a balance between regular viewers and someone watching for the first time.

You could say hickok45 is similar as far as Glocks. And these days I see nutn using XDm, M&P9, and SR9 just as much as a Glock.

Yeah I think if I was getting a new service pistol, I would probably look at a XDm 9 (probably the 4.5") first. But heck if I liked the feel of a Glock, that would be a great choice. But really, there's so many awesome choices I wouldn't get too worked up about a particular brand or model.

 

[Scarpozzi]

If you want a nicer 1911 keep looking 😉

My cousin just bought a 1911. He ended up going to a few gun shops and kept checking out the American Tactical Imports 1911 in 45 ACP based on recommendations from one of the guys working at our local range. He paid $399 for the gun and it is solid.

We compared it to Colt, SA, and Kimber. We actually saw that the machining was superior to Colt and SA. As for Kimber, since it was hundreds of dollars less, he figured he'd take a chance based on internet reviews. We took it to the range and were pleasantly surprised. It's is a very good buy for the money.

When you twist the gun in your hand, shake it, or slam the handle against your palm, there is no movement. Even when you dry fire, the only noise you hear is the hammer....I'm actually considering buying one and I don't want a 45 because of ammo cost per round in comparison to 9mm (my carry).

The gun doesn't rattle and all of the pieces are perfectly machined. When we compared this to a colt, there was a lot of play in the slide....it rattled a lot more. I'm sure both fire the same...the American Tactical is definitely a budget gun, but I can guess they'll be increasing prices when they start to catch on. They'll get more and more popular as people see the quality they're producing and build their name reputation.

 

[sourceninja]

Everyone says they are shit because of the extractor, but I think my S&W 1911 is a wonderful firearm, even compared to my kimber.

 

[aigomorla]

Honestly, I'd recommend starting out with something simple like a .357 Magnum revolver. It's a great round for self defense, they are extremely reliable and simple to use, and you can shoot .38 special through it for cheap fun at the shooting range.

I really had my heart set on a semi auto tho.
My friends told me the same thing..
But I have bad buyers remorse... so my heart wont settle for anything less then a semi.

But you need to pass a farce of a test to get your "handgun certificate."

Is that what the permit is? lol...

aigomorla - Here is a link to generic pictures of my pistols:

https://picasaweb.google.com/113850354702665565405/Pistols#

WoW i really like that the way the springfield xDM looks.
Im gonna have to do more research on that gun as well.

 

[sourceninja]

The XDM is a great pistol. You can't go wrong with one.

 

[irishScott]

Everyone says they are shit because of the extractor, but I think my S&W 1911 is a wonderful firearm, even compared to my kimber.

Meh, most disparaging it are either doing so from an aesthetic standpoint, or they had experience with faulty Kimber external extractors. Personally I'm looking at an SW1911 for a home defense piece. Cheapest railed 1911 out there short of buying an adapter and drilling holes in my dust cover.

 

[irishScott]

The XDM is a great pistol. You can't go wrong with one.

Ugly as fuck IMO, but it does the job.

 

[HybridSquirrel]

Yeah he was worse about it initially, but these days it's not really like that. Well, he still talks a lot... that didn't change! 🙂 Most of it is great info still. He gets a bit repetitive with some things though, and for a regular viewer it might seem more repetitive so he needs to strike a balance between regular viewers and someone watching for the first time.

You could say hickok45 is similar as far as Glocks. And these days I see nutn using XDm, M&P9, and SR9 just as much as a Glock.

Yeah I think if I was getting a new service pistol, I would probably look at a XDm 9 (probably the 4.5") first. But heck if I liked the feel of a Glock, that would be a great choice. But really, there's so many awesome choices I wouldn't get too worked up about a particular brand or model.

i'm not a glock man by any means....but they are really hard to beat. The are light, dependable, and just work well. The weight alone makes them worth it, not to mention the various different sizes. I mean the m&p comes close, but they need something between the compact and regular sized models (like how the 19 is between a 17 and 26). Same thing with springfield, ruger, ect. the sub-compacts are a little too small for me, and the full size are too big for me to carry in my trousers....meh


Also, people gripe about grip angles on glocks but they fit my hand more naturally than the "1911" grip angle....and actually the XD is 2 degrees wider than a 1911. the grip on my xd bugs the shit out of my too....its too recessed where the grip safety is at, compared to the base of the grip. it curves too much I guess..its noticeable for me and I feel like I have to compensate too much because of the shitty grip design.

 

[Demo24]

I guess you explained it better than I did.

Hybrid, I got defensive once the words started flying, so lets calm things down. Demo has explained my issue with Sigs. If you google "p226 thumbs forward" you'll see what I'm talking about. My right thumb sits right where the slide release/lock is. I experienced these problems on both my P226 and P229, so I stopped buying them.

Since you have a 92fs, let me see if I can recreate my problem with you. When you get home, holster your 92fs with dummy rounds in the magazine and turn off the lights. Quickly draw the weapon and rack the slide with a combat rack. See if in that process, you ever engage the safety. 3-4 times out of 10, I would engage the safety. I also often engage the safety during an action pistol scenario that involved an fte and a tap/rack/bang.

You said you own a 92fs, not if you've used it during an action pistol or training. Do it and see if you notice what I'm talking about. Or ask the instructors and other participants if they've heard of or experienced it.

I decided to hold the pistol and shoot like you do today. I like it, but need to work on it. It will of course not let the slide lock unless you move your thumb down a tad.

 

[pontifex]

Meh, most disparaging it are either doing so from an aesthetic standpoint, or they had experience with faulty Kimber external extractors. Personally I'm looking at an SW1911 for a home defense piece. Cheapest railed 1911 out there short of buying an adapter and drilling holes in my dust cover.

What about Taurus or RIA?