YAGT: *POLL* .44 Magnum or .45?

[K1052]

Or DSA SA58 OSW

 

[Viper GTS]

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
500 S&W Magnum

2600 ft/lbs at the muzzle?

:Q

Viper GTS

Yup, it weighs about 4.5lbs when unloaded, and it only holds 5 rounds in the cylinder.

I dont agree with their claim of "A Hunting Handgun For Any Game Animal Walking ", though.

I dunno, according to a quick google search a 30-06 only puts out ~2900 ft/lbs at the muzzle...

~90% of that in a handgun is absolutely nuts.

Just had to check, .50 BMG = 12630 ft/lbs!

:Q:Q:Q:Q

Viper GTS

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: Mookow
Yup, it weighs about 4.5lbs when unloaded, and it only holds 5 rounds in the cylinder.

I dont agree with their claim of "A Hunting Handgun For Any Game Animal Walking ", though.

I dunno, according to a quick google search a 30-06 only puts out ~2900 ft/lbs at the muzzle...

~90% of that in a handgun is absolutely nuts.

Just had to check, .50 BMG = 12630 ft/lbs!

:Q:Q:Q:Q

Viper GTS

Two words should make my point: Cape. Buffalo.

 

[Shockwave]

Originally posted by: cablegod
You pick your .45 (about 800-900FPS). I'll take a hot loaded 10mm any day in a G29. 1450-1600 fps is a lot more shock for stopping power. The 10mm has like a cult following and I can definately say it's for good reason.

It seems you speak wisely
Granted, thats the first article I've read yet on the 10mm. Course after looking at those 44 Mag and .50 Desert Eagles, I could definately have one of those and smile every day. That .50 Desert Eagle is just a freaking hand cannon.

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Just had to check, .50 BMG = 12630 ft/lbs!

:Q:Q:Q:Q

Viper GTS

I'd like to see, just for kicks, what would happen if you fired a relatively light bullet (say, 350-400 grains ) out of a hot-loaded 50BMG cartridge. You'd have to adjust the spin rate, but the terminal ballistics should be spectacular, to say the least.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Just had to check, .50 BMG = 12630 ft/lbs!

:Q:Q:Q:Q

Viper GTS

I'd like to see, just for kicks, what would happen if you fired a relatively light bullet (say, 350-400 grains ) out of a hot-loaded 50BMG cartridge. You'd have to adjust the spin rate, but the terminal ballistics should be spectacular, to say the least.

Zoom!, to say the least.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Shockwave

It seems you speak wisely
Granted, thats the first article I've read yet on the 10mm. Course after looking at those 44 Mag and .50 Desert Eagles, I could definately have one of those and smile every day. That .50 Desert Eagle is just a freaking hand cannon.

The 10mm is a versatile caliber, but the "full house" loads that earn that impressive ballistic reputation are brutal to shoot, and taxing for both the shooter and the gun. This is why it has never really taken off IMO. Other things being equal, I think .45ACP is a better self-defense caliber because it is much easier to shoot and follow up with, while still having impressive stopping power.

 

[GalvanizedYankee]

Originally posted by: Shockwave
Might get a side iron with the tax refund... .44 or .45?

I am a revolver fan-boy and I reload 41mag & 45lc.

Taurus Tracker in titanium for carry or stainless for reduced recoil, it's a 5 shooter DA and can handle the same
loads a Ruger SA can. All kinds of hunting loads are available now for 45lc from Buffalo Bore and others.

That would be my choice

 

[Shockwave]

Originally posted by: Don_Vito

Originally posted by: Shockwave

It seems you speak wisely
Granted, thats the first article I've read yet on the 10mm. Course after looking at those 44 Mag and .50 Desert Eagles, I could definately have one of those and smile every day. That .50 Desert Eagle is just a freaking hand cannon.

The 10mm is a versatile caliber, but the "full house" loads that earn that impressive ballistic reputation are brutal to shoot, and taxing for both the shooter and the gun. This is why it has never really taken off IMO. Other things being equal, I think .45ACP is a better self-defense caliber because it is much easier to shoot and follow up with, while still having impressive stopping power.

Yeah, ifrom what I've read so far those hot loads (Which give us our impressive figures) have alot of recoil, large muzzle flash and are pretty hard on the gun.

 

[poopaskoopa]

.45 ACP.

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Just had to check, .50 BMG = 12630 ft/lbs!

:Q:Q:Q:Q

Viper GTS

I'd like to see, just for kicks, what would happen if you fired a relatively light bullet (say, 350-400 grains ) out of a hot-loaded 50BMG cartridge. You'd have to adjust the spin rate, but the terminal ballistics should be spectacular, to say the least.

Zoom!, to say the least.

Zoom, followed by a duplication of a 5.56 on impact (ie, turning sideways rather fast and then breaking up from the force of moving at high speed through high resistance), assuming the bullet is similar to 5.56 ball in construction (and can withstand the air resistance placed on an object moving at the speed a 400gr projectile getting fired out of a hot 50BMG case would attain).

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Just had to check, .50 BMG = 12630 ft/lbs!

:Q:Q:Q:Q

Viper GTS

I'd like to see, just for kicks, what would happen if you fired a relatively light bullet (say, 350-400 grains ) out of a hot-loaded 50BMG cartridge. You'd have to adjust the spin rate, but the terminal ballistics should be spectacular, to say the least.

Zoom!, to say the least.

Zoom, followed by a duplication of a 5.56 on impact (ie, turning sideways rather fast and then breaking up from the force of moving at high speed through high resistance), assuming the bullet is similar to 5.56 ball in construction (and can withstand the air resistance placed on an object moving at the speed a 400gr projectile getting fired out of a hot 50BMG case would attain).

It would certainly be interesting to fool with different materials for the bullets and see what they can do.

 

[Demon-Xanth]

Although a 30.06 only puts out 300 more ft/lbs of force than the 500, the 30.06 is still too small for larger game. That's why there's rounds like the .410 Rigby and .375 H&H Magnum. Those rounds look like artillery shells they're so big.

 

[Shockwave]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Just had to check, .50 BMG = 12630 ft/lbs!

:Q:Q:Q:Q

Viper GTS

I'd like to see, just for kicks, what would happen if you fired a relatively light bullet (say, 350-400 grains ) out of a hot-loaded 50BMG cartridge. You'd have to adjust the spin rate, but the terminal ballistics should be spectacular, to say the least.

Zoom!, to say the least.

Zoom, followed by a duplication of a 5.56 on impact (ie, turning sideways rather fast and then breaking up from the force of moving at high speed through high resistance), assuming the bullet is similar to 5.56 ball in construction (and can withstand the air resistance placed on an object moving at the speed a 400gr projectile getting fired out of a hot 50BMG case would attain).

It would certainly be interesting to fool with different materials for the bullets and see what they can do.

Like this?

The thought of a tungsten round out of a .50BMG is scary. To say the least.

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
Although a 30.06 only puts out 300 more ft/lbs of force than the 500, the 30.06 is still too small for larger game. That's why there's rounds like the .410 Rigby and .375 H&H Magnum. Those rounds look like artillery shells they're so big.

I still dont think a .375 H&H is enough for a Cape Buffalo.

 

[Shockwave]

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
Although a 30.06 only puts out 300 more ft/lbs of force than the 500, the 30.06 is still too small for larger game. That's why there's rounds like the .410 Rigby and .375 H&H Magnum. Those rounds look like artillery shells they're so big.

I still dont think a .375 H&H is enough for a Cape Buffalo.

Depends on the shooter I'd say. Hell, I'd put money a good shooter WITH TIME TO LINE UP THE SHOT could go for Cape with a 30-06.

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: Shockwave
Like this?

The thought of a tungsten round out of a .50BMG is scary. To say the least.

I think I've heard of 50 BMG bullets with DU.

DU > tungsten*

 

[Mookow]

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Shockwave

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Just had to check, .50 BMG = 12630 ft/lbs!

:Q:Q:Q:Q

Viper GTS

I'd like to see, just for kicks, what would happen if you fired a relatively light bullet (say, 350-400 grains ) out of a hot-loaded 50BMG cartridge. You'd have to adjust the spin rate, but the terminal ballistics should be spectacular, to say the least.

Zoom!, to say the least.

Zoom, followed by a duplication of a 5.56 on impact (ie, turning sideways rather fast and then breaking up from the force of moving at high speed through high resistance), assuming the bullet is similar to 5.56 ball in construction (and can withstand the air resistance placed on an object moving at the speed a 400gr projectile getting fired out of a hot 50BMG case would attain).

It would certainly be interesting to fool with different materials for the bullets and see what they can do.

Like this?

The thought of a tungsten round out of a .50BMG is scary. To say the least.

Think of half the grain and the increased charge Mookow mentioned.
That would be fricken scary.:Q

 

[Shockwave]

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: Shockwave
Like this?

The thought of a tungsten round out of a .50BMG is scary. To say the least.

I think I've heard of 50 BMG bullets with DU.

DU > tungsten*

Yes, but is it commercially available?

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: Shockwave
Like this?

The thought of a tungsten round out of a .50BMG is scary. To say the least.

I think I've heard of 50 BMG bullets with DU.

DU > tungsten*

I didn't think they made them for .50 BMG.
I thought it was only for 20mm and 30mm. (Also various tank sabots)

 

[Quixfire]

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: kalster
mm pics?

Here's my baby.

KK

Nice

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: Shockwave

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
Although a 30.06 only puts out 300 more ft/lbs of force than the 500, the 30.06 is still too small for larger game. That's why there's rounds like the .410 Rigby and .375 H&H Magnum. Those rounds look like artillery shells they're so big.

I still dont think a .375 H&H is enough for a Cape Buffalo.

Depends on the shooter I'd say. Hell, I'd put money a good shooter WITH TIME TO LINE UP THE SHOT could go for Cape with a 30-06.

I know someone who took a whitetail with a 22LR. That doesnt mean I think it's adequate for a whitetail.

I dont know that a 30-06 has the ooomph to get past all the muscle on a Cape Buffalo. It might be possible, but I dont like to plan on having to take low percentage shots.

 

[Quixfire]

Between the two, since I own both, I would ahve to say the .44 Magnum is more fun.

But I still perfer my 10mm over the .44

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: Shockwave

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: Shockwave
Like this?

The thought of a tungsten round out of a .50BMG is scary. To say the least.

I think I've heard of 50 BMG bullets with DU.

DU > tungsten*

Yes, but is it commercially available?

No. I'm not even sure it moved beyond experimental stage, but there is no way in hell a civvie is going to get their hands on one (unless it's a spent round, and even that would be difficult).