YAGT: OMG I love guns

[RampantAndroid]

In Seattle? Now?
I am betting all your stores are stripped clean. Gonna have to order one.

Last I looked, all stores near me had virtually no rifles but still full stock and regular prices on handguns.

 

[RampantAndroid]

Or pay top dollar.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=328829170

MSRP on a Sig 220 SAO is over 1,000.

That said, the trigger reset sounds pretty crappy on this SIG, and people are still saying Sig's quality is suspect (and Kimber is still recovering from that same moron who tanked them.)

I'll hold off and just buy a full size 1911.

 

[irishScott]

Last I looked, all stores near me had virtually no rifles but still full stock and regular prices on handguns.

Really? Everywhere I went or heard about is stripped clean of everything except bolt/lever actions, 1911s and some shotguns. Can't find a Glock 17 to save your life. Threat of magazine bans sent a lot of handguns flying off the shelves.

 

[RampantAndroid]

Really? Everywhere I went or heard about is stripped clean of everything except bolt/lever actions, 1911s and some shotguns. Can't find a Glock 17 to save your life. Threat of magazine bans sent a lot of handguns flying off the shelves.

Well, my knowledge is from 3 weeks ago, so who knows. I'll check again...but the gunbroker price seems in line with what I expected for a Sig - Sig is always too d** high. Like the rent.

 

[HybridSquirrel]

I was actually able to get an AR upper for $550 in this madness (spikes tactical) and a full lower for $169 (New frontier)

Oh and magpul mags for 9.99 a piece....and .223 for 7.99 a box.


not bad overall

 

[ManBearPig]

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[madoka]

I think I'm going to be sick. If this crap passes in California, how long before it comes to your states?

■Possession of hollow point bullets and similar assault bullets a felony.

■Must register and report ammo purchases. Only purchase max 500 rounds.

■10 round magazine limit

■ALL magazines must be fixed to the gun (can not be removed without the use of a tool)

■100% prohibition of all magazines greater than 10 rounds. All previous grandfathered magazines become illegal. Felony if you keep one.

■Changing definition of shotgun revolving cylinder — Basically only single shot shotguns will remain legal.

■Bullet Buttons will become illegal — All AR and AK style rifles that are currently equipped with them will be designated Assault Weapons. Felony to possess.

■All gun owners now must be licensed like drivers.

■All gun owners must carry gun liability insurance

 

[x-alki]

I think I'm going to be sick. If this crap passes in California, how long before it comes to your states?

■Possession of hollow point bullets and similar assault bullets a felony.

■Must register and report ammo purchases. Only purchase max 500 rounds.

■10 round magazine limit

■ALL magazines must be fixed to the gun (can not be removed without the use of a tool)

■100% prohibition of all magazines greater than 10 rounds. All previous grandfathered magazines become illegal. Felony if you keep one.

■Changing definition of shotgun revolving cylinder — Basically only single shot shotguns will remain legal.

■Bullet Buttons will become illegal — All AR and AK style rifles that are currently equipped with them will be designated Assault Weapons. Felony to possess.

■All gun owners now must be licensed like drivers.

■All gun owners must carry gun liability insurance

Never, because I don't live in a communist state.

 

[shortylickens]

The hollow point ban is going to CAUSE problems, not fix them.

Now bullets are gonna be passing through bodies or walls easier and hitting innocents.

 

[shortylickens]

Or pay top dollar.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=328829170

499 for a Tomcat?


I DONT FUCKING THINK SO!

 

[boomhower]

I think I'm going to be sick. If this crap passes in California, how long before it comes to your states?

■Possession of hollow point bullets and similar assault bullets a felony.

■Must register and report ammo purchases. Only purchase max 500 rounds.

■10 round magazine limit

■ALL magazines must be fixed to the gun (can not be removed without the use of a tool)

■100% prohibition of all magazines greater than 10 rounds. All previous grandfathered magazines become illegal. Felony if you keep one.

■Changing definition of shotgun revolving cylinder — Basically only single shot shotguns will remain legal.

■Bullet Buttons will become illegal — All AR and AK style rifles that are currently equipped with them will be designated Assault Weapons. Felony to possess.

■All gun owners now must be licensed like drivers.

■All gun owners must carry gun liability insurance

Assault bullet? WTF?!?! A license? How can they make you obtain a license for a constitutional right?

 

[shortylickens]

Actually several states require a licence.
Nothing in the constitution says they cant make you go through loads of bullshit to get a gun. All the 2nd amendment says is they cant ban weapons entirely.

Theoretically they could pass laws which only let you buy single shot 22's.

 

[velillen]

Actually several states require a licence.
Nothing in the constitution says they cant make you go through loads of bullshit to get a gun. All the 2nd amendment says is they cant ban weapons entirely.

Theoretically they could pass laws which only let you buy single shot 22's.

I actually support making a card for gun owners to have to have. But its different. Make it a 2 year deal. Allows concealed carry. Able to purchase firearms/ammo. AND the biggest part get rid of the current NICS system. The card should include a full background check. Be issued every two years. That way no more having to report exactly what gun you buy but rather you are only verifying the person when selling a gun. Also opens it up a bit to private sellers as you can see his card and know the person isnt a felon.

Obviously there are some bugs to work out like what if the person gets a felon in their two year time frame. Maybe a simple number to call and be able to get a go/no go sort of answer? Definitely not saying its perfect at all but i think the current NICS system is a joke myself.



As for California, that bill is just proof you have non gun people trying to make laws relating to guns. Seriously they need to do some research. Assault bullets....really? And fixed magazines....so what about the millions of guns already owned. Just so stupid

 

[gorobei]

I think I'm going to be sick. If this crap passes in California, how long before it comes to your states?

■Possession of hollow point bullets and similar assault bullets a felony.

seems unlikely to pass, given that softpoint bullets are a fairly staple part of hunting rounds. "assault bullets" arent really a category or official class of military bullets beyond some splash rounds, tracers, incindiaries, and specific armor piercing(all are illegal or highly regulated already.)

■Must register and report ammo purchases. Only purchase max 500 rounds.

other than the arbitrary amount limit, this seems more of an inconvenience unless there is some other timeframe limit. it will increase prices a little as it will be harder to get shipping discounts for volume.

■10 round magazine limit

already exists in CA and has never expired since the 90's and the Brady bill.

■ALL magazines must be fixed to the gun (can not be removed without the use of a tool)

is tool defined? this is the bullet button issue again and doesnt really clarify the legal requirements. hazy or unspecific laws tend either not to pass or get overturned by the courts.

■100% prohibition of all magazines greater than 10 rounds. All previous grandfathered magazines become illegal. Felony if you keep one.

ex-post-facto laws that criminalize previously legal objects tend not to pass court review. there are exceptions like full autos but it takes some mighty big politcal power to push it through congress and pass the USSC.

■Changing definition of shotgun revolving cylinder — Basically only single shot shotguns will remain legal.

i've read some news articles online, all seem to be a repeated probable misquote or mistype from a single source they are all using. the item should be a "[revolver] capable firing .45 round or shotgun shell" rather than a 'shotgun with a cylinder'(which really doesnt exist anymore since the Striker streetsweeper was made illegal). basically they want to outlaw the taurus judge .45/.410 revolver. which really doesnt affect anybody since nobody would ever use 410 shot as a serious defense round. a novelty gun goes extinct from laws now rather than dismal sales in a few years.(clearly another hyped up 'scary weapon' response from an uninformed legislator)

■Bullet Buttons will become illegal — All AR and AK style rifles that are currently equipped with them will be designated Assault Weapons. Felony to possess.

they will spend years in court defining the illegal versions of a bullet button before they even get around to trying confiscate them.

■All gun owners now must be licensed like drivers.

back in the 90's CA used to have a basic firearms safety card you had to have in order to go to a range or transport or purchase a new gun. dont remember if it cost anything, but it couldnt have been more than a few bucks. the sky didnt fall then, it wont now unless they make it a reoccurring fee for renewal. the same money onus as liability insurance requirement (below)applies.

■All gun owners must carry gun liability insurance

this one will be interesting. amount of coverage and obligation of policy sellers to sell to higher risk individuals will meet all kinds of legal challenges. if the amount is too high or ins companies can turn down people thus infringing on a constitutionally recognized right, the courts will typically strike it down as too onerous.


We need an actual source for the proposed legislation, too many brief online news reports not fully listing the actual laws.

 

[adairusmc]

Someone school me on the 10/22. Why's it so popular?

Because it is basically the gun version of the jeep. It has been around so long, and are accurate and reliable, that you can just just about any aftermarket accessory you want for it, in just about any color.

Are there semi-auto .22s out there that are just as good? Sure. But you wont see nearly the aftermarket support you will see with a 10/22.

I own a few of them, from the take down model I posted earlier, to a standard wood stocked one my grandfather used to own and gave to me as my first gun (serial number dates to the late 1960s - still shoots awesome), to this blue one that matches my buckmark -

Its so popular because the possibilities with it are pretty much endless. It has been produced since 1964, so there have been a few generations now that have grown to love it.

 

[HumblePie]

The license bit is infringement by definition. Licensing unless instantly given, no additional cost, and can not be revoked would be the only way to not be infringement. We all know that is not going to be the case so it would be infringement.

 

[Pray To Jesus]

we all know the point of the gun control nuts is no guns at all ala UK.

What they are too stupid to understand is that if you ban guns, only criminals will have guns.

 

[Genx87]

The hollow point ban is going to CAUSE problems, not fix them.

Now bullets are gonna be passing through bodies or walls easier and hitting innocents.

What do you expect? These idiots making law decide to ban things based on ignorance and watching too many movies.

 

[Puddle Jumper]

These gun control cretins are relentless. They have propped a bill here in Kentucky of all places to require assault rifles and handguns to be registered.

 

[shortylickens]

These gun control cretins are relentless. They have propped a bill here in Kentucky of all places to require assault rifles and handguns to be registered.

Which still wouldnt stop whats his face from taking his moms gun and shooting kids at Sandy Hook.

The lady had a legit firearm and deliberately chose to leave it accessible to someone with a metal issue.
There is absolutely no law or set of laws to prevent that. Sure she may be punished, but it cant stop it from happening.

 

[pontifex]

Someone school me on the 10/22. Why's it so popular?

its been around for a long time so proven design
there are tons of aftermarket parts to customize it however you want
ruger usually makes quality products
it's a .22 so cheap to shoot
its priced well also

 

[ManBearPig]

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[velillen]

Ok, if I can find a 10/22 ill buy one. Thanks a lot for the info guys!

IMO they're eventually just going to get rid of guns completely. First it'll be small, extreme bills like this where they slowly ban more and more stuff and then it'll just be illegal to own a firearm unless you have a specific reason (security guard, farmer, hunter etc (and only certain firearms will be allowed and they'll be heavily regulated)). Kind of like England.

They are worth it. For 229 plus tax if applicable its a cheap and reliable. Won't find many people having issues with the stock ones. The aftermarket options are endless too.

 

[highland145]

Kahr cm-40 just arrived. Going to replace my Taurus .38 ultralite.

 

[Jeeebus]

Kahr cm-40 just arrived. Going to replace my Taurus .38 ultralite.

Good stuff. Only taken my PM9 to the range once now, but it was very accurate. Only real pain in the ass is the annoying way you have to load the gun and the super stiff slide is not a lot of fun either.