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[Merad]

Well, did my taxes yesterday and getting a slightly bigger than I was expecting refund. Okay a lot bigger. Might be another purchase in the future from it 🙂

Jealous. There's a guy on a local forum selling a GP100 for a good price that has really been tempting me, but I'm holding off because I am probably gonna have to pay taxes. 🙁

 

[Zargon]

we had another kid last year, so my return is faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat

too bad kids are expensive

and too bad my sewer hookup broke last year, no money for gunz...

 

[HumblePie]

Jealous. There's a guy on a local forum selling a GP100 for a good price that has really been tempting me, but I'm holding off because I am probably gonna have to pay taxes. 🙁

Well I'm going to use a good portion to pay off my one CC completely. Put some into a savings account for my son, save a bit for a rainy day, and do 1 splurge purchase for myself. Well I'll limit myself to about a grand or so to spend as a splurge purchase I think.

 

[adairusmc]

Magpul and Primary Arms attacked my LE6920 recently. New Eotech EXPS2-0, primary arms magnifier with ADM mount, magpul miad, ctr, moe handguard, vfg, sling adapter, long with the Zero Tolerance bayonet I got recently.

before

after

looking forward to my new remmy 700 aac-sd showing up on Tuesday.

 

[phucheneh]

Anybody got anything to say about the Taurus PT-92/99? I could generally care less about their striker guns. Or their revolvers. But I've always had a soft spot for the Berettas, and what I've been reading seems to indicate that the Taurus version isn't inferior in any way other than crap magazines.

Basic PT-92 stainless is $379 at CDNN. An inox Beretta would easily run over $500. And has the stupid slide safety.

edit: make that 600+ for the Beretta. The non-inox version is 550.

 

[pontifex]

Anybody got anything to say about the Taurus PT-92/99? I could generally care less about their striker guns. Or their revolvers. But I've always had a soft spot for the Berettas, and what I've been reading seems to indicate that the Taurus version isn't inferior in any way other than crap magazines.

Basic PT-92 stainless is $379 at CDNN. An inox Beretta would easily run over $500. And has the stupid slide safety.

I have the 99. My first pistol. No issues with it other than its big and heavy.

 

[MongGrel]

Magpul and Primary Arms attacked my LE6920 recently. New Eotech EXPS2-0, primary arms magnifier with ADM mount, magpul miad, ctr, moe handguard, vfg, sling adapter, long with the Zero Tolerance bayonet I got recently.

before

after

looking forward to my new remmy 700 aac-sd showing up on Tuesday.

Where is the laser for the bayonet ?

:hmm:

:biggrin:

 

[spacejamz]

just picked up a beretta nano...pretty similar in size to a kahr pm9....threw in another pic next to a ruger lcp for size comparison...

 

[phucheneh]

I have the 99. My first pistol. No issues with it other than its big and heavy.

Seems to be the general consensus. Seems like it's hard to go wrong for $400.

IIRC free shipping on CDNN and definitely no tax. That makes it $405 OTD, FFL/background included.

As for than Nano, I'd take a CM9 (its price competitor; for what they want for a PM9, I'd rather step up to a K9/MK9) any day of the week. The Nano is hands-down one of the least-impressive guns I've ever handled.

Also, speaking of smoking fucking deals, JG apparently got some more Mk7 K100's in and is selling them for $300. The new Mk12's are a good buy at 500, and this is almost exactly the same thing.

I'll just state the facts: If you want a fullsize 9mm and you want it cheap, you're a goddamned fool if you don't buy one:
http://www.jgsales.com/grand-power-...stol,-9mm,-full-size-frame,-new.-p-58147.html

If you get one and don't like it, you clearly should not own any guns, what with the mental defectiveness and all.

 

[adairusmc]

Get your m855 while you can -

https://www.nraila.org/articles/20150213/batfe-to-ban-common-ar-15-ammo

 

[phucheneh]

I'm confused...what is there other than ball ammo? I thought that description fit any bog-standard copper-jacketed lead-core .223/5.56?

Okay, hold the LMGTFY links...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5.56×45mm_NATO

So it has a steel tip. Is commercial ammo from Federal, Winchester, et al strictly copper/lead?

edit: I know the rounds I've put downrange during training with an M16 came in crates labelled 'ball,' but I don't remember the green tips. Faulty memory?

 

[Kelvrick]

I'm confused...what is there other than ball ammo? I thought that description fit any bog-standard copper-jacketed lead-core .223/5.56?

Okay, hold the LMGTFY links...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5.56×45mm_NATO

So it has a steel tip. Is commercial ammo from Federal, Winchester, et al strictly copper/lead?

edit: I know the rounds I've put downrange during training with an M16 came in crates labelled 'ball,' but I don't remember the green tips. Faulty memory?

I believe BALL ammo is a generic term for generic general use ammunition and can often be used interchangeably from regular fmj. It is probably more accurate to describe things as hp, fmj, tmj, steel tip, incindiary, etc.

 

[phucheneh]

With that last bit, I was saying that the only ammo I'd ever seen in the Army was labeled 'ball' (well, that and tracers), but I don't remember a mXXX number for it. But I'm 98% sure they didn't have green tips.

I've never been issued ammo for actual combat, so I was just curious if the green tips were a newer thing, or if they did indeed call ammo without the steel tip 'ball.' Seems like the military is usually more specific than to do such.

 

[RampantAndroid]

Ball means FMJ, pretty much. Else, you call it what it is. It's a holdover from when rounds were balls.

 

[velillen]

If i remember right theres basically M193 and then the M855.

M193 is 55gr FMJ stuff. IE Ball ammo

M855 is the 62 gr copper jacket with lead core with steel "penetrator" tip


Myself i could care less. I might pick up 1k of the SS109 bullets just to have them but i see no advantage to shooting them really

 

[Skel]

just picked up a beretta nano...pretty similar in size to a kahr pm9....threw in another pic next to a ruger lcp for size comparison...

I have a nano that took me a bit to get used to the trigger on it. Once I did I like it. I have found that 115 grain did give me some feed failures but those went away when I started using 124 or 147 grain ammo. It works great as my conceal carry, which is why I bought it. I use the Hornady Critical defense rounds then.

 

[phucheneh]

Okay...so that article seems pretty meaningless to me. While I think it's silly to ban the green-tip stuff, I also don't see how it affects normal gun owners. Did anyone raise this much of a stink when they banned the AP 5.7mm ammo?

Even though there's no tungsten penetrator or some such thing that I would usually associate more with 'armor piercing.' It's still, eh, 'more armor piercing than normal.' So is steel core AK ammo. That's not banned, but I wouldn't be mad if it was, OTHER than the fact that it may limit access to surplus Ruskie ammo.

The long and short of it is, how does it affect you? If the answer is 'not at all'...Y U MAD, bros? I get the 'blah blah erosion of freedoms' argument, but...I really think people should do a better job of picking their battles.

edit: none of that was addressed at anyone in particular. Just some percentage of those in the general AR community that I'm sure are throwing hissy fits.

 

[RampantAndroid]

Okay...so that article seems pretty meaningless to me. While I think it's silly to ban the green-tip stuff, I also don't see how it affects normal gun owners. Did anyone raise this much of a stink when they banned the AP 5.7mm ammo?

Even though there's no tungsten penetrator or some such thing that I would usually associate more with 'armor piercing.' It's still, eh, 'more armor piercing than normal.' So is steel core AK ammo. That's not banned, but I wouldn't be mad if it was, OTHER than the fact that it may limit access to surplus Ruskie ammo.

The long and short of it is, how does it affect you? If the answer is 'not at all'...Y U MAD, bros? I get the 'blah blah erosion of freedoms' argument, but...I really think people should do a better job of picking their battles.

edit: none of that was addressed at anyone in particular. Just some percentage of those in the general AR community that I'm sure are throwing hissy fits.

I blame the people who are busy attaching fleshlights to their AR15s because they love their AR15s so much.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfFMAtmWb5s

It's annoying as hell to have a sport I like - and am pretty sane about - ruined by the tacticool people...and funny all at once to see them throw fits because the ATF said using that arm brace as a shoulder stock is illegal (gee, we ALL knew that already.)

I am not joking in any way when I say that if 50% of all AR15 owners instead bought an FN FAL, M14, R700 or some other rifle (aka, not an AR15, SCAR, TAR or similar "assault" rifle) we would be seeing MUCH less lash back. People have taken gun ownership to an extreme.

 

[velillen]

The long and short of it is, how does it affect you? If the answer is 'not at all'...Y U MAD, bros? I get the 'blah blah erosion of freedoms' argument, but...I really think people should do a better job of picking their battles.

How does it effect me? It doesnt at all. I dont shoot the stuff and what i do shoot i reload with plain hornady 55gr fmj-bt's or with match bullets (77smk's, ect)

I do not like the fact the ATF basically does whatever they want and theres next to nothing we can do. Like WHY is this ammo suddenly being banned? In the 20 ish years its been exempted has there been some issue we didnt know about.....no its just the ATF being the ATF.

I have heard from some guys they are a bit upset since they use those bullets for varmint hunting and other hunting areas where they want a bit more omph over the ball ammo.

 

[pontifex]

Okay...so that article seems pretty meaningless to me. While I think it's silly to ban the green-tip stuff, I also don't see how it affects normal gun owners. Did anyone raise this much of a stink when they banned the AP 5.7mm ammo?

Even though there's no tungsten penetrator or some such thing that I would usually associate more with 'armor piercing.' It's still, eh, 'more armor piercing than normal.' So is steel core AK ammo. That's not banned, but I wouldn't be mad if it was, OTHER than the fact that it may limit access to surplus Ruskie ammo.

The long and short of it is, how does it affect you? If the answer is 'not at all'...Y U MAD, bros? I get the 'blah blah erosion of freedoms' argument, but...I really think people should do a better job of picking their battles.

edit: none of that was addressed at anyone in particular. Just some percentage of those in the general AR community that I'm sure are throwing hissy fits.

Because where does it stop? Why ban this now? What will they ban next?

 

[adairusmc]

If i remember right theres basically M193 and then the M855.

M193 is 55gr FMJ stuff. IE Ball ammo

M855 is the 62 gr copper jacket with lead core with steel "penetrator" tip


Myself i could care less. I might pick up 1k of the SS109 bullets just to have them but i see no advantage to shooting them really

If you can care less, then why don't you.

I have about 6 cases of m855 around, and I am hoping the prices skyrocket myself, so I can offload some of it at exorbitant prices. I made some good money selling $75 pmags during the last panic and I am hoping to maybe sell two cases or so for enough to hopefully buy a new Nightforce scope for my new bolt gun showing up on Tuesday.

 

[RandomAhearne]

Were you the one who said you wanted a 10mm for hiking or some such? I.e. knocking down some big-ass animals?

Even people who don't like Glock seem to find their 10mm's pretty acceptable. I am not a Glock guy at all, but if I wanted a 10mm, it would be a pretty short list: Glock, Tanfoglio...uh...yeah, just those two, actually. I was gonna say '1911,' but I dunno if anyone makes a 10mm that you can get for a price that's not four digits.

I dunno why you'd want something with optics for your purpose, though. I'd go for durability, i.e. traditional post/notch sights that are all metal, with your choice of markings...personally I like blacked-out rears and usually use a red dot on the front. Or red fiber, but again, for a KISS outdoor gun, I wouldn't bother with something that could get broken like a fiber element.

My pick would be a poly Witness 10mm, commonly available under $400:
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/...611/EAA+999061+Witness+Polymer+15+1+10mm+4.5"

But I would not fault anyone for going for the Glock.

Actually I agree with you on all points. I just want a handgun with optics I suppose but that wouldn't make sense in the intended role of the weapon.

It's all a dream anywho since I'm broke and my wife would flog me if I bought another firearm.

But thank you all again for your input. Much appreciated.

 

[HumblePie]

Anybody got anything to say about the Taurus PT-92/99? I could generally care less about their striker guns. Or their revolvers. But I've always had a soft spot for the Berettas, and what I've been reading seems to indicate that the Taurus version isn't inferior in any way other than crap magazines.

Basic PT-92 stainless is $379 at CDNN. An inox Beretta would easily run over $500. And has the stupid slide safety.

edit: make that 600+ for the Beretta. The non-inox version is 550.

Own a Taurus 92 AF. It is basically a Beretta with the safety/decocker on the frame and not the slide. Taurus bought the Beretta manufacturing plant in Brazil straight up. They bought basically everything, include the rights/designs to making the 92/99 AF based on how the laws in that country work. They kept the same people, same equipment, and same materials. Basically just a change of ownership. They changed the design slightly since then to make the safety on the frame and the rail on the slide. Otherwise it's still the same gun.

As I said I own one and it's a great full size gun. If you don't like the magazines, I don't know why as they are basically the same MecGar ones that Beretta still uses, there are plenty of options out there for different magazines for the gun. Got mine a few years back on a Black Friday deal for $300 and it was a great purchase.

 

[RampantAndroid]

How does it effect me? It doesnt at all. I dont shoot the stuff and what i do shoot i reload with plain hornady 55gr fmj-bt's or with match bullets (77smk's, ect)

I do not like the fact the ATF basically does whatever they want and theres next to nothing we can do. Like WHY is this ammo suddenly being banned? In the 20 ish years its been exempted has there been some issue we didnt know about.....no its just the ATF being the ATF.

I have heard from some guys they are a bit upset since they use those bullets for varmint hunting and other hunting areas where they want a bit more omph over the ball ammo.

It's being banned because the NRA only lost one battle last election (one you and I now suffer from - 594.) Striking back is finding new things to do. The prevalence of the AR pistol is now letting them classify .223/5.56 as a pistol round, and thus in their realm of things to regulate.

We stop this crap by having all gun owners go out and vote. No more voter apathy...594 passed because a large number of gun owners were too stupid to fill out their ballots. It's not like they had to go anywhere. They had to color in circles and mail the ballot.

You stop M855 from being banned by sending enough mail to the ATF to break their email servers.

 

[velillen]

It's being banned because the NRA only lost one battle last election (one you and I now suffer from - 594.) Striking back is finding new things to do. The prevalence of the AR pistol is now letting them classify .223/5.56 as a pistol round, and thus in their realm of things to regulate.

We stop this crap by having all gun owners go out and vote. No more voter apathy...594 passed because a large number of gun owners were too stupid to fill out their ballots. It's not like they had to go anywhere. They had to color in circles and mail the ballot.

You stop M855 from being banned by sending enough mail to the ATF to break their email servers.

I-594 passed for more reasons than just gun owners not voting. But thats a topic for another thread not this one.

You are right though...all we can do is email the ATF and hope. It seems to have worked for Trust with NFA items. This one could be a bit trickier though