YAGT: OMG I love guns

[corwin]

I'm curious what you would be hunting with an aimpoint or eotech?
most people who hunt use regular style scopes, not red-dots, especially if you're shooting at any distance.

I plan on hunting hogs with mine sometime in the near future...I have a 3x magnifier behind it now to give me a little more range

 

[pontifex]

I plan on hunting hogs with mine sometime in the near future...I have a 3x magnifier behind it now to give me a little more range

i guess if you're walking through the woods after them and they are close that makes sense. adding a magnifier makes sense for longer shots.

just not usual to see red dots for longer range hunting. like you wouldn't see a aimpoint or eotech on bolt action rifle.

of course, it's even rarer for me here in PA since we can't hunt with semi-autos (ARs, etc).

 

[corwin]

i guess if you're walking through the woods after them and they are close that makes sense. adding a magnifier makes sense for longer shots.

just not usual to see red dots for longer range hunting.

of course, it's even rarer for me here in PA since we can't hunt with semi-autos (ARs, etc).

That's actually why I want something with a BDC type reticle, I can swing my magnifier to the side but with the dot zero'd at 100yds it is way off at 25-50:\

You really can't use a semi?

 

[pontifex]

That's actually why I want something with a BDC type reticle, I can swing my magnifier to the side but with the dot zero'd at 100yds it is way off at 25-50:\

You really can't use a semi?

http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs...ype=HTM&ttl=34&div=0&chpt=23&sctn=8&subsctn=0

 

[corwin]

http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs...ype=HTM&ttl=34&div=0&chpt=23&sctn=8&subsctn=0

Wow...but nothing on suppressors?

And what's with #3 (Reserved)? Just so they can add something later?

 

[pontifex]

Wow...but nothing on suppressors?

And what's with #3 (Reserved)? Just so they can add something later?

not sure on #3, maybe they leave that there in case some completely new type of firearm comes into being, like lasers or something, haha.

I also found this:

PA Game Laws Sec. 2322. Prohibited devices and methods.
(a) General rule. - Except as otherwise provided in this title or commission regulation, no person shall hunt, kill or take or attempt, aid, abet, assist or conspire to hunt, kill or take any big game, except wild turkey, with any of the following devices or methods:

(1) Any device other than a center-fire or muzzle-loading firearm or bow and arrow.

(2) Any automatic or semiautomatic firearm, except that any semiautomatic firearm modified to permit one shell in the chamber and no more than four shells in a magazine may be used by a person who suffered an amputation or lost the total use of one or both hands.

(3) Any firearm propelling more than one projectile per discharge.

(4) Any projectile which is not all lead or which is not designed to expand on contact.

(5) When any big game is swimming.

(6) By any other method or device which is not specifically authorized or permitted by this title or commission regulation.

Apparently #6 can be construed as prohibiting suppressors since suppressors are not on the authorized/permitted list.

although this is specifically big game, like deer.

Although I also read somewhere that said if there is no law against using suppressors, then they can be used.

 

[velillen]

Many of the less expensive optics will take that kind of abuse all day long and neither break or lose zero. Although I don't hunt, much of my family and friends do. Many have expensive eotech and aimpoints and many don't. The ones that don't haven't complained about their hunting optics when in the field yet either. Eotechs and aimpoints are designed to be driven over with a humvee level of abuse. For the stupid ass soldier that drops their gun in the road right before a moving convoy comes along and can't get to it. Most of the time their rifle and equipment is just fine. Nothing short of an eotech or aimpoint level quality/price will take THAT kind of abuse for sure. But as corwin points out, it's not exactly needed for most people. There are plenty of slightly lesser quality optics at a much cheaper price that will suffice for the level of abuse the average person will put their equipment through. Pretty much why I stopped visiting a bunch of the "gun" focused forums/sites out there. The mantra preached there is basically Eotech/Aimpoint or go home. And if you bought anything else you bought the equivalent of an airsoft gun optic only.

That is very true. And i definitely fall into the "buy the optic that fits your needs" category. I have both expensive optics and cheap ones. I put the more expensive optics on the rifles i use often. The cheaper ones go on the range toys.

But yes a 100 dollar scope has killed countless animals and will for many years to come!

 

[HumblePie]

i guess if you're walking through the woods after them and they are close that makes sense. adding a magnifier makes sense for longer shots.

just not usual to see red dots for longer range hunting. like you wouldn't see a aimpoint or eotech on bolt action rifle.

of course, it's even rarer for me here in PA since we can't hunt with semi-autos (ARs, etc).

Depends on the hunting regulations in your area. Around here people can sit in blinds and bait where such actions are illegal elsewhere. Which means people don't really need a long range scope at all to shoot. Also, many times people are just going over their land and need a sight for shorter range if a hog decides to come at them from the underbrush and they didn't see it originally. Not really hunting but for protection.

 

[shortylickens]

Sold some guns I didnt like.
Bought a Glock 42. Will test it tomorrow and take pics.

 

[shortylickens]

Shoots nicely. For some reason its a little louder than my LCP or P238, but it handles better. More accurate and less jumpy. Only complaint is they didnt include any kind of accessory rail or mounting system. It would not have been standard size, but they could have put on a proprietary rail and that would allow manufacturers to make stuff for it.

My Cheetah is a better shooter but thats a much larger and heavier gun. Not really good for every day carry.

I will be using the Glock from now on. The LCP gets cleaned up and put back in its case.
Will have to purchase a holster. Maybe two. One for the pocket and one for the hip.

 

[adairusmc]

I am going to be getting a .380 this week, mostly for the wife to carry, and am split between the Glock 42 or the M&P bodyguard. Local shop has both in stock at the same price, the bodyguard model has the crimson trace laser built in. I will have to see which one fits better for her though.

 

[irishScott]

I am going to be getting a .380 this week, mostly for the wife to carry, and am split between the Glock 42 or the M&P bodyguard. Local shop has both in stock at the same price, the bodyguard model has the crimson trace laser built in. I will have to see which one fits better for her though.

When you say "crimson trace laser built in", did they install an actual crimson trace laser or is it the factory-installed forefinger-activated Insight laser? If it's the latter be sure to test out both laser buttons, as I've heard horrible things about their quality control. Specifically there have been numerous instances where one laser button would easily depress and the one on the other side wouldn't budge, or one or both would fall out after mild-moderate use.

The Glock will also probably have a lighter (~5.5 lbs compared to 8+ lbs on the bodyguard) and much shorter trigger. However there are DIY trigger kits for both to improve the weight, and apparently the earlier Glock 42s shipped with much heavier triggers.


http://www.bluesheepdog.com/smith-and-wesson-bodyguard-380-review/

The trigger pull of the Bodyguard is excruciatingly long. The sear breaks at about 3/16th of an inch before the trigger meets the frame. I put the trigger pull between 8 and 10 pounds.

http://www.shootingtimes.com/handgu...ction_smith_and_wesson_body_guard_380_100510/

Trigger: 8 lbs., 7 oz. pull; DAO

http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1537387
http://concealednation.org/2014/01/glock-42-review-for-concealed-carry/



Glock will also have better sights, I've personally looked down a bodyguard 380s sights and they're extremely bulky. Granted it's not made to be a target pistol and they acquire easily, but with that thick front blade you're not going to get much precision even at 7 yards.

Personally I'd go with the Glock and get a crimson trace laser attachment for Christmas.

 

[adairusmc]

When you say "crimson trace laser built in", did they install an actual crimson trace laser or is it the factory-installed forefinger-activated Insight laser? If it's the latter be sure to test out both laser buttons, as I've heard horrible things about their quality control. Specifically there have been numerous instances where one laser button would easily depress and the one on the other side wouldn't budge, or one or both would fall out after mild-moderate use.

The Glock will also probably have a lighter (~5.5 lbs compared to 8+ lbs on the bodyguard) and much shorter trigger. However there are DIY trigger kits for both to improve the weight, and apparently the earlier Glock 42s shipped with much heavier triggers.


http://www.bluesheepdog.com/smith-and-wesson-bodyguard-380-review/


http://www.shootingtimes.com/handgu...ction_smith_and_wesson_body_guard_380_100510/


http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1537387
http://concealednation.org/2014/01/glock-42-review-for-concealed-carry/



Glock will also have better sights, I've personally looked down a bodyguard 380s sights and they're extremely bulky. Granted it's not made to be a target pistol and they acquire easily, but with that thick front blade you're not going to get much precision even at 7 yards.

Personally I'd go with the Glock and get a crimson trace laser attachment for Christmas.

Yeah, the model in stock locally is the one with the finger activated laser. I read somewhere that the built in laser used to be made by Insight, but they changed to Crimson Trace because of the quality control issues. Not sure if there are issues with the CT as well.

I would personally love the Glock, but it is not that much smaller than my 9mm shield, and the bodyguard is a bit smaller than even the G42 - seems like it would be easier to pocket carry, especially for her clothes (ladies jeans I guess have horrible front pockets as far as size goes). I plan to replace the sights no matter which one I get, with some nicer night sights, so the stock sights don't matter much to me.

Both are $399 out the door at the local Ace Hardware here, so I will just have to see which one she prefers. If she wants the G42, that is fine, as I will stay with my shield with its Trijicon HD night sites, and she can carry the G42. With the smaller size of the bodyguard, I may find myself pocket carrying it as often as she does, if thats what she ends up wanting to buy that is.

 

[Bartman39]

Yeah, the model in stock locally is the one with the finger activated laser. I read somewhere that the built in laser used to be made by Insight, but they changed to Crimson Trace because of the quality control issues. Not sure if there are issues with the CT as well.

I would personally love the Glock, but it is not that much smaller than my 9mm shield, and the bodyguard is a bit smaller than even the G42 - seems like it would be easier to pocket carry, especially for her clothes (ladies jeans I guess have horrible front pockets as far as size goes). I plan to replace the sights no matter which one I get, with some nicer night sights, so the stock sights don't matter much to me.

Both are $399 out the door at the local Ace Hardware here, so I will just have to see which one she prefers. If she wants the G42, that is fine, as I will stay with my shield with its Trijicon HD night sites, and she can carry the G42. With the smaller size of the bodyguard, I may find myself pocket carrying it as often as she does, if thats what she ends up wanting to buy that is.

Ok but any reason why you would not also consider a Ruger LCP...? My wife has one and it has a LaserLyte on it... We bought it used from an officer here local along with about 200 hollow points (he had shot 50 since he bought it new) and the total package deal was only $300 cash (gun + laser and shells)...

 

[MongGrel]

not sure on #3, maybe they leave that there in case some completely new type of firearm comes into being, like lasers or something, haha.

I also found this:

PA Game Laws Sec. 2322. Prohibited devices and methods.
(a) General rule. - Except as otherwise provided in this title or commission regulation, no person shall hunt, kill or take or attempt, aid, abet, assist or conspire to hunt, kill or take any big game, except wild turkey, with any of the following devices or methods:

(3) Any firearm propelling more than one projectile per discharge.

00/Buckshot ?

 

[Jeeebus]

speaking of lasers...

red v green? Real world experience with whether green is that much more noticeable (to justify the fairly significant increase in cost for green)?

Thinking about picking up a light/laser combo for the M&P home defense gun (already have a light which I will move to another gun - laser is mostly for fun at the range).

 

[shortylickens]

Everyone who's installed a green laser said they like it much better.

But you have to ask yourself is the extra money really going to make you shoot straighter?

 

[XavierMace]

In the dark, either are abundantly visible. But if you're wanting to see it outside in the daylight, go green.

 

[adairusmc]

Ok but any reason why you would not also consider a Ruger LCP...? My wife has one and it has a LaserLyte on it... We bought it used from an officer here local along with about 200 hollow points (he had shot 50 since he bought it new) and the total package deal was only $300 cash (gun + laser and shells)...

My preferred shop does not stock them unless you specifically order it, and I think I would rather spend the money on something a bit nicer than a Ruger when it comes down to it. Nothing wrong with them, and I love Ruger rifles, but I have not owned a Ruger handgun since I got rid of my old beat up p89.

I did end up getting the bodyguard today, my wife thought it fit perfect for her. $399 out the door, and I did get a 100rd value pack of winchester white box to go with it. Going to order some Gold Dots or something online, since they were out of any decent defensive ammo.

Looks like my shield took a dump when looking at them side by side -

 

[Fenixgoon]

speaking of lasers...

red v green? Real world experience with whether green is that much more noticeable (to justify the fairly significant increase in cost for green)?

Thinking about picking up a light/laser combo for the M&P home defense gun (already have a light which I will move to another gun - laser is mostly for fun at the range).

all i'll say is don't cheap out. i have a hi-light flashlight/laser combo (got for $65), and after installing it and shooting with it on at indoor ranges, i can see why beretta charges $300 for its own laser sight.

i'm sure there's a solid middle ground between ~$50 and $300, but i wouldn't recommend hi-light

 

[XavierMace]

I've been quite happy with my Viridian C5L.

 

[corwin]

Anybody have any experience with Sightmark red dots? Happened to see an ad for them in the arfcom email today and they have some very reasonably priced options, supposedly rated for up to .50 recoil while holding zero...up till now I kind of assumed they were utter trash but now I'm not entirely sure...

 

[Merad]

Anybody have any experience with Sightmark red dots? Happened to see an ad for them in the arfcom email today and they have some very reasonably priced options, supposedly rated for up to .50 recoil while holding zero...up till now I kind of assumed they were utter trash but now I'm not entirely sure...

No experience with them but if you are looking for red dots in that price range, check out Primary Arms or the Vortex Strikefire. I have both and they are incredible deals for the money.

 

[corwin]

No experience with them but if you are looking for red dots in that price range, check out Primary Arms or the Vortex Strikefire. I have both and they are incredible deals for the money.

I have a PA already I am quite happy with too, but it's the big 30mm tube which runs $120 plus shipping now...they have a small one for $75 shipped...trying to get one for my wife's AR so size/weight is a factor as well as price and having a circle/dot reticle...maybe I'm giving too much credibility to being advertised in an arfcom email:hmm:

 

[Phanuel]

00/Buckshot ?

They're noting that it is for big game, hence the single round limitation. You would use a slug in that case.