YAGT: Looking for a 9mm

[xanis]

I recommend you look at the other 50 threads on "First handgun recommendations". And dont post unless theres something you still dont know.

Thanks for the helpful advice. 🙄

 

[xanis]

Went with the XD, get to pick it up on the 2nd. They just feel better in my hand then the glock, but everyone is different.

Yeah, I've shot the G19 and G23 (IIRC) and they were just okay... didn't do much for me either way. The XD is my top choice at the moment.

 

[jlee]

If you get something uncommon, you may want to look for holsters first (if you plan on carrying). Sometimes they can be a bit harder to find.

I prefer the feel of an XD over a Glock. I don't have much experience shooting XDs but I carried a Glock for years.

 

[xanis]

If you get something uncommon, you may want to look for holsters first (if you plan on carrying). Sometimes they can be a bit harder to find.

I prefer the feel of an XD over a Glock. I don't have much experience shooting XDs but I carried a Glock for years.

This would be my first gun, so I don't think I'd be looking to carry. I'd probably consider it in the future though. Just looking for something that I can take the range and could keep at home for self-defense if needed.

 

[phucheneh]

The XD is a good choice.

Go against your normal guy-ness and RTFM. I mean, you can probably skip the parts about 'don't point loaded gun at own face' and various other common (okay, uncommon, but you seem intelligent enough) sense.

But read what they say about disassembly and cleaning. I strongly recommend breaking it down and cleaning it before you take it to the range. I basically get everything shiny and bone dry, they apply a fairly liberal amount of oil. Generally prevents the early misfeed issues that people sometimes complain about (with any auto).

 

[TallBill]

If you get something uncommon, you may want to look for holsters first (if you plan on carrying). Sometimes they can be a bit harder to find.

I prefer the feel of an XD over a Glock. I don't have much experience shooting XDs but I carried a Glock for years.

23? Just got an mtac for mine.

 

[xanis]

The XD is a good choice.

Go against your normal guy-ness and RTFM. I mean, you can probably skip the parts about 'don't point loaded gun at own face' and various other common (okay, uncommon, but you seem intelligent enough) sense.

But read what they say about disassembly and cleaning. I strongly recommend breaking it down and cleaning it before you take it to the range. I basically get everything shiny and bone dry, they apply a fairly liberal amount of oil. Generally prevents the early misfeed issues that people sometimes complain about (with any auto).

Good advice. I'll definitely buy a good cleaning kit and figure out how to do a solid cleaning once I get the gun.

 

[gorcorps]

I like my XDM compact. It's one of the easiest to strip down and clean which is nice. The only thing I didn't like was how short the compact magazine is as I didn't have anywhere to put my pinky and it felt off. But you can by a small grip extension which adds a little wedge to rest your pinky on.

 

[shortylickens]

Thanks for the helpful advice. 🙄

Its extremely helpful. It keeps the trolls from running their mouths about gun bans.

 

[alkemyst]

Its extremely helpful. It keeps the trolls from running their mouths about gun bans.

You are the kind of guy that would burn books if in power.

 

[velillen]

Good advice. I'll definitely buy a good cleaning kit and figure out how to do a solid cleaning once I get the gun.

im against most gun cleaning kits. Often have crap you dont need and are cheap plastic.

Boresnake, Otis nylon brush, qtips, cotton cleaning patches, and your choice of solvent/lube/CLP. Thats honestly all i use for pretty much all my guns.

Then later pick up a good metal rod and metal patch holder (ive broken a few platic ones) and a bore brush if you feel the boresnake isnt good enough.

Its for shooting it doesnt need to be white glove clean everytime.

Either way enjoy...the XD's are some nice guns and ive shot the fullsize 45 and the new XDS and they are quite enjoyable!

 

[boomhower]

I'm a big fan of Otis kits. Just buy on eBay and as their prices are crazy. I got there high end ~$300 kit brand new for ~$65 on eBay.

 

[spidey07]

The only thing I don't like about my XDs are you have to pull the trigger to take them down. That's my only minor complaint. It's just a safety thing for me.

Walmart has good cleaning kits for cheap, has everything you'd ever need.

 

[phucheneh]

The only thing I don't like about my XDs are you have to pull the trigger to take them down. That's my only minor complaint. It's just a safety thing for me.

Walmart has good cleaning kits for cheap, has everything you'd ever need.

Probably a decent bet. You really just need a rod and a brush attachment. Only other stuff I use is cleaning patches, Q-tips, and old toothbrushes.

I'm mostly just concerned with getting all the carbon off. And when the gun is well-oiled, it doesn't really stick much...downside is that when I go a little too crazy, I end up with oil seeping out of the grip for a month.😀

Although the barrel needs a bit of 'de-leading' every once in a while. I wanted to ask what you guys use for that...is there any worry about cheap brushes scratching the bore? Seems like brass bristles would be best, but I dunno if those are common.

edit: your trigger thing is weird, though, spidey. I'm assuming you clear a weapon before trying to pull the slide off. 😉

The real PITA for that Kahr I bought is that you have to pull the slide back to just the right point to get the takedown pin/slide release out. And you gotta keep holding it there until the pin is all the way out. Pulling the trigger afterwards if the part I worry about the least, heh.

 

[shortylickens]

A full cleaning kit isnt even always needed. Immediately when you are finished at the range, run a bore snake through with no chemicals. That keeps junk from eating away at the barrel.

When you get home use a mild cleaner on the barrel and breech, again to keep powder residue from eating away metal parts. You really dont need a thorough scrubbing all over the gun just because its got lead and copper on it. They wont hurt the metal so much. Your main concern is powder residue which causes actual damage, especially if left unattended for a long time.

Along those lines, if you plan on leaving the gun alone for a while, and dont intend to carry it for daily use, thats a good time to do a more invasive cleaning, with harsher chemicals. Make sure to wipe them clean, as they too can cause damage if left unattended for long periods.

If you dont intend to be touching the gun for a VERY long time, smear a thin layer of oil over everything. Then put it away in an air tight container, ideally with some sort of desiccant. Salt will do provided its not actually touching anything. If you were smart enough to save those little bags of Silica from other household purchases, now is a great time to use them. When you next pull the gun out for use, remember to wipe away the excess oil you put there to protect it. That shit grabs powder and lead and makes it stick all over the gun.

For daily carry you only need to lubricate the few spots recommended by the manufacturer. In the case of Glocks you only need 3 drops on 3 specific spots. Thats all.
Make sure to pull it out of the holster once in a while and get the dust off it. That stuff works its way into crevices and may cause grinding later on.

 

[pontifex]

CZ P-01. Look it up.

did you buy one yet?

 

[alkemyst]

did you buy one yet?

Waiting for my separated wife to leave the country/divorce finalized.

 

[JulesMaximus]

The only thing I don't like about my XDs are you have to pull the trigger to take them down. That's my only minor complaint. It's just a safety thing for me.

Walmart has good cleaning kits for cheap, has everything you'd ever need.

Glocks are the same way.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Waiting for my separated wife to leave the country/divorce finalized.

So, what are you thinking for your future ex-wife? Asian again? Mail order bride from Russia? Tranny? My Mother?

 

[JackBurton]

Good for you man. I just bought a Gen 4 Glock 17. So far, so good. May pick up an XDM 45ACP later on.

 

[phucheneh]

did you buy one yet?

If somebody is really considering one, I would strongly advise not ordering it- have a chance to handle it before buying.

As I mentioned above, I was quite thoroughly disappointed by the P-01 (I may have mistakenly said SP-01...I believe it was the P-01) owned by a friend of mine. Neither of us thought it was any good.

But it very well may have just been a fluke. Or CZ just really sucks at polymer frames. Steel version probably doesn't have the trigger issues, but it appears to have the same (IMO) awkward shape.

I can't praise Jerichos enough, though...am I the only one with some range time on one? I know being the 'Baby Eagle' it might be a bit shunned by 'serious' enthusiats (edit- the one I fired was actually stamped and imported as 'Desert Eagle 9mm'); but it's just a stupid name someone slapped on it. Nothing but a modified CZ-75...gloriously modified.

 

[pontifex]

If somebody is really considering one, I would strongly advise not ordering it- have a chance to handle it before buying.

As I mentioned above, I was quite thoroughly disappointed by the P-01 (I may have mistakenly said SP-01...I believe it was the P-01) owned by a friend of mine. Neither of us thought it was any good.

But it very well may have just been a fluke. Or CZ just really sucks at polymer frames. Steel version probably doesn't have the trigger issues, but it appears to have the same (IMO) awkward shape.

I can't praise Jerichos enough, though...am I the only one with some range time on one? I know being the 'Baby Eagle' it might be a bit shunned by 'serious' enthusiats (edit- the one I fired was actually stamped and imported as 'Desert Eagle 9mm'); but it's just a stupid name someone slapped on it. Nothing but a modified CZ-75...gloriously modified.

I have a P-01. It is an alloy frame, not polymer. Probably my favorite pistol behind my 1911.

I think the P-07 is polymer.

 

[Merad]

A full cleaning kit isnt even always needed. Immediately when you are finished at the range, run a bore snake through with no chemicals. That keeps junk from eating away at the barrel.

When you get home use a mild cleaner on the barrel and breech, again to keep powder residue from eating away metal parts. You really dont need a thorough scrubbing all over the gun just because its got lead and copper on it. They wont hurt the metal so much. Your main concern is powder residue which causes actual damage, especially if left unattended for a long time.

Nonsense. Unless you're shooting ammo with corrosive primers gunshot residue absolutely does not "eat away" at metal.

I own a shotgun (formerly my grandad's) that went from roughly 1980 until 2002 without a cleaning, while being used semi-regularly. The outside shows some wear but the barrel and action are practically pristine. I also know quite a few guys who only clean their "plinking" guns (mainly .22LR rifles/pistols) when they get so dirty that they start jamming. Often that means they go thousands of rounds between cleanings.

Edit: If you want even more proof, take a close look at a "brand new" gun some time. You'll almost always see some residue in the barrel from where it was test fired at the factory without being cleaned afterwards.

 

[alkemyst]

I have a P-01. It is an alloy frame, not polymer. Probably my favorite pistol behind my 1911.

QFT. The P-01 is probably the most reliable compact 9mm every designed.

It had earned the praise of none other than M1911 devotee Jeff Cooper, who declared it the best double-action pistol design in the world, owing, perhaps, to the fact that it could be carried “cocked & locked.”

http://dailycaller.com/2012/12/12/gun-test-cz-p-01/

Either you own a CZ and love it or you haven’t shot it yet.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2012/06/gl-kohler/gun-review-cz-75-p-01/

I was a big 1911 fan, but even at 200lbs fit; it's not an easy daily carry which is my planned purpose. We have a gun lover in my office so I asked him what he likes (he is also of a small sized frame (~150lbs)). He instantly told me to go check out the CZ P01 and if I can't find one to test, he'd lend me his. He sent me a few links about the reliability and it's insane. Obviously a revolver is going to be more reliable, but harder to conceal and limited capacity. Sure it only takes one bullet to kill a man, but chances are firing in crisis and on mostly moving and probably multiple targets makes 6 shots limiting. The bad guys aren't fleeing anymore like in old times, laws have made it better to kill someone than to get caught with a live witness.

This was the info that sealed the deal for me added to the fact that I cannot find one bad review on the freaking gun and many reviewers go above and beyond praising it. Don't get me wrong, it's not the ultimate pistol for everyone/need, but for mine I don't think anything can beat it for daily carry use unless you require an ultra-compact.

The P-01 is now a NATO classified pistol and issued the NATO stock number NSN 1005-16-000-8619.

The CZ P-01 is the culmination of several years of exhaustive design and testing. Ceska Zbrojovka has always had some of the most rigorous testing requirements in the world but, the Czech National police has required that they go even further, the testing regiment for this new pistol was the most demanding anyone has ever encountered. There are almost 20 specific requirements covering everything from accuracy to interchangability, from safety to reliability/durability and everything in between.

The pistol: The CZ P-01 is a Gen 3 pistol that began as a requirement for a lightweight compact pistol that will deliver the accuracy and durability of a full size, full weight pistol. This was no small task, several manufacturers declined to even start the project.

The first thing you notice about this pistol is the M3 light rail on the frame, a first for CZ, the alloy frame is a little wider at the top than a steel CZ 75. This adds strength and rigidity for mounting the light and increasing the accuracy and service life of the pistol. The P-01 also sports enhanced controls as well as a drop free magazine and a lanyard loop.

The pistol was required to pass a wide variety of tests:

The police required that the pistol ensure the highest level of comfort, an extended slide release was added as well as an extended magazine release and the trigger was reshaped to give a more consistent pull throughout the trigger stroke.

The pistol must be 100% reliable in extreme conditions, the following is a list of some of the minimum requirements.

Must be able to complete the following without failure:

4000 dry firings
3000 De-cockings
Operator level disassembly 1350 times with out ware or damage to components.
Complete disassembly 150 times, this is all the way down, pins, springs etc.
100% interchangability, any number of pistols randomly selected, disassembled, parts mixed and reassembled with no failures of any kind including loss of accuracy.


Safety requirements:

Drop test
1.5 meter (4.9”) drop test, this is done 54 times with the pistol loaded (blank) and the hammer cocked. Dropping the pistol on the butt, the muzzle, back of the slide, sides of the gun, top of the slide, in essence, any angle that you could drop the gun from. This is done on concrete and 0 failures are allowed! A failure is the gun firing.

3meter drop (9.8”) 5 times with the pistol loaded (blank) and the hammer cocked, This is done on concrete and 0 failures are allowed! A failure is the gun firing.

After these tests are complete the gun must fire without service.

The factory contracted an independent lab to do additional testing on guns that previously passed the drop tests. These pistol were dropped an additional 352 times without failure.

The pistol must also complete an environmental conditions test:
This means cold, heat, dust/sand and mud.
The pistol must fire after being frozen for 24 hours at –35C (-36F).
The pistol must fire after being heated for 24 hours at 70C (126F)
The pistol must fire after being submerged in mud, sand and combinations including being stripped of oil then completing the sand and mud tests again.

Service life:
The service life requirement from the Czech police was 15,000 rounds of +P ammo!
The pistol will exceed 30,000 rounds with ball 9mm.

Reliability:
The reliability requirements for the P-01 pistol are 99.8%, that’s a .2% failure rate.
This equals 20 stoppages in 10,000 rounds or 500 “Mean Rounds Between Failure” (MRBF)
During testing, the average number of stoppages was only 7 per 15,000 rounds fired, this is a .05% failure rate, a MRBF rate of 2142 rounds! Over 4 time the minimum acceptable requirement.
The U.S. Army MRBF requirement is 495 rounds for 9mm pistols with 115 grain Ball ammunition.

Heritage:
The P-01 is based on the CZ 75, the most used pistol in the world. Over 60 countries use it as the standard side arm of their Armies, National police forces, National security agencies or other Law enforcement organizations. No other pistol can make this claim.

 

[BladeVenom]

I was a big 1911 fan, but even at 200lbs fit; it's not an easy daily carry which is my planned purpose.

The 1911 Commander is roughly the same size as the CZ P01, and it's thinner.