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YACT: What do you think of the new 2007 Camrys
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angryswede
Member
If by its a Ford, you mean Ford owns a stake in Mazda because they bailed them out when they were in trouble, then yeah you are right. They have collaborated on some projects; however, Mazda isn't the same as Ford. It's still Japanese engineering.
saw one on the street yesterday, and i wasn't too impressed.
the car as a whole definitely had a major cosmetic overhaul, but the rear imho is actually pretty darn ugly. those lights -- *shudder*. I obviously didn't get a look inside the car, but from what I can see from the OP's console pic (any dash pics?), it's pretty 'meh'.
the car as a whole definitely had a major cosmetic overhaul, but the rear imho is actually pretty darn ugly. those lights -- *shudder*. I obviously didn't get a look inside the car, but from what I can see from the OP's console pic (any dash pics?), it's pretty 'meh'.
g8wayrebel
Senior member
Camry , no contest. There is absolutely nothing on the road that last as long as a Toyota when taken care of.
My next vehicle will be a Tundra and we will soon purchase a Camry for my better half.
I now drive a Silverado and she has a Cam y ( not a misprint , that is the only thing wrong with it..the r fell off and it has 280xxx plus miles on it.)
The one we have now is my third Toyota. I have never had any issues with any of them other than normal wear and tear way beyond the grave yard for most cars.
My next vehicle will be a Tundra and we will soon purchase a Camry for my better half.
I now drive a Silverado and she has a Cam y ( not a misprint , that is the only thing wrong with it..the r fell off and it has 280xxx plus miles on it.)
The one we have now is my third Toyota. I have never had any issues with any of them other than normal wear and tear way beyond the grave yard for most cars.
I can attest to the camrys durability. I properly matained a 1990 Dk blue camry all the way up till 2002. Whe it died (interference engine+broken timing belt=donation) I gto myself a new 2002 Dark blue camry. No problems ever with the car besides routine matinence.
Of course styling is a different matte.r When I got my 2002 camry(remember the 2002s were a new redesign), I though it was ugly, ut over the years, I'm not sure because its so much more familiar or waht but it looks good now. The original 2007 camrys looked fugly to me too but I guess its starting to grow on me. Maybe the design is too far ahead for it's time?
Nevertheless, no car looks better for the price than a 1997-2000 Lexus SC300/400. Awesome power/speed(espicalyl SC400), everlasting style and of course the V8 burble. I'm going to trade my Camry for a SC pretty soon.
Of course styling is a different matte.r When I got my 2002 camry(remember the 2002s were a new redesign), I though it was ugly, ut over the years, I'm not sure because its so much more familiar or waht but it looks good now. The original 2007 camrys looked fugly to me too but I guess its starting to grow on me. Maybe the design is too far ahead for it's time?
Nevertheless, no car looks better for the price than a 1997-2000 Lexus SC300/400. Awesome power/speed(espicalyl SC400), everlasting style and of course the V8 burble. I'm going to trade my Camry for a SC pretty soon.
theeedude
Lifer
Don't forget brand new 2007 Altima is coming in a couple months, and they have fixed the interior.
http://www.nissannews.com/multimedia/nissan2007/800px/07-altima-29.jpg
http://www.nissannews.com/multimedia/nissan2007/altima.shtml
Also, in my experience, Nissans generally give you more kneeroom than Hondas, not sure about Toyotas. Manual Camry kind of defeats the whole purpose of a couch on wheels.
You may have a harder time selling it later since there isn't much of a market for manual camrys.
MasterAndCommander
Diamond Member
Mazda6 or Ford Fusion
PowerEngineer
Diamond Member
Well, I find myself going through the same motions as the OP. My 1996 Camry was totaled (not while I was driving and no one was really hurt) and the insurance company gave me $6200 for it (not bad for a 10 year old car with 118,000 miles that cost $20k new). But it's thrown me unprepared back into the car market, and I'm trying to sort out what makes best sense for me.
I'm a little older than your average ATOT'er, about 6'4", 200++ lbs, and have a long torso that makes head room a problem.
Here's what I've learned so far...
Despite what some have claimed, even a cursory look at the latest Consumer Report tabulations of automobile reliability shows that the Japaneese car makers (Toyota, Honda, Subaru, Mazda, and Nissan) are tops. Now past performance isn't an absolute guarantee of future performance -- but it's the best predictor we have.
I've looked at (what I think are) their mid-size entries: Camry, Accord, Legacy, Mazda6, and Maxima. The interiors of Accord and Legacy just don't feel as roomy as the others, so I've reluctantly put them aside. I've looked at the Mazda6 and Maxima; maybe I should do more than just "look", but they just don't seem as "polished" as the Camry. I admit that 10 years with a Camry has to have made me a bit biased. But of those five...I prefer the Camry.
One other point that matters to me (especially after the wreck) is the safety features, particularly side air bags. The new Camry comes STANDARD with front, side and curtain air bags along with one more beneath the steering wheel to protect the driver's knees. It's hard to find used Camrys (or any others) that had side air bags installed when they were optional equipment.
I've looked for used models (really of all five) because I really don't want to spend the money for a new one right now. Their resale values stay so high, however, that there's no real reward for taking on the risk (most seem to depreciate only $2k to $3k per year and there's no big drop in value for just driving one off the lot).
"Certified" used cars are even worse (I had one salesman try to sell me a "certified" Camry LE for over $20k when a new one starts at around $22k!).
I also found that most used cars on the dealers' lots are not ones they took in as "trade-ins". They acquire most of their cars through the wholesale auctions, which means that many come from out of state and they don't really know any more about their histories than you do.
Trying to avoid a new car, I also looked at a few upscale relatives: Toyota Avalon, Lexus ES300, Acura TL, Infiniti I30, and Infiniti G35. One good point is that side air bags became standard equipment on all of these years ago. So...new Camry or used luxury "sedan"?
This is where I ran into my biggest problem: those %@$# mooonroofs! :|
Almost all of these luxury cars are equiped with moonroofs (as part of some option package or another). They reduce available head room by about 1.5" to 2.0". The top of my head is literally up inside the moonroof opening in the Acura TL, Infiniti I30, and Infiniti G35. The others were only slightly better. I would need to find a nice one without a moonroof, and this seems to be practically impossible.
So it looks like I will be ordering a new Camry (probably SE; probably V6; sans moonroof; ~$25k) pretty soon. 🙁
What I really want to be doings is finding a nice used moonroof-less Infiniti G35x! :brokenheart:
I'm a little older than your average ATOT'er, about 6'4", 200++ lbs, and have a long torso that makes head room a problem.
Here's what I've learned so far...
Despite what some have claimed, even a cursory look at the latest Consumer Report tabulations of automobile reliability shows that the Japaneese car makers (Toyota, Honda, Subaru, Mazda, and Nissan) are tops. Now past performance isn't an absolute guarantee of future performance -- but it's the best predictor we have.
I've looked at (what I think are) their mid-size entries: Camry, Accord, Legacy, Mazda6, and Maxima. The interiors of Accord and Legacy just don't feel as roomy as the others, so I've reluctantly put them aside. I've looked at the Mazda6 and Maxima; maybe I should do more than just "look", but they just don't seem as "polished" as the Camry. I admit that 10 years with a Camry has to have made me a bit biased. But of those five...I prefer the Camry.
One other point that matters to me (especially after the wreck) is the safety features, particularly side air bags. The new Camry comes STANDARD with front, side and curtain air bags along with one more beneath the steering wheel to protect the driver's knees. It's hard to find used Camrys (or any others) that had side air bags installed when they were optional equipment.
I've looked for used models (really of all five) because I really don't want to spend the money for a new one right now. Their resale values stay so high, however, that there's no real reward for taking on the risk (most seem to depreciate only $2k to $3k per year and there's no big drop in value for just driving one off the lot).
"Certified" used cars are even worse (I had one salesman try to sell me a "certified" Camry LE for over $20k when a new one starts at around $22k!).
I also found that most used cars on the dealers' lots are not ones they took in as "trade-ins". They acquire most of their cars through the wholesale auctions, which means that many come from out of state and they don't really know any more about their histories than you do.
Trying to avoid a new car, I also looked at a few upscale relatives: Toyota Avalon, Lexus ES300, Acura TL, Infiniti I30, and Infiniti G35. One good point is that side air bags became standard equipment on all of these years ago. So...new Camry or used luxury "sedan"?
This is where I ran into my biggest problem: those %@$# mooonroofs! :|
Almost all of these luxury cars are equiped with moonroofs (as part of some option package or another). They reduce available head room by about 1.5" to 2.0". The top of my head is literally up inside the moonroof opening in the Acura TL, Infiniti I30, and Infiniti G35. The others were only slightly better. I would need to find a nice one without a moonroof, and this seems to be practically impossible.
So it looks like I will be ordering a new Camry (probably SE; probably V6; sans moonroof; ~$25k) pretty soon. 🙁
What I really want to be doings is finding a nice used moonroof-less Infiniti G35x! :brokenheart:
GM is going for fuel cells. as everyone knows that fuel cells are the next big thing, and hybrids are just a stop-gap solution, i don't see why going for fuel cells over hybrids is sh^ting on hybrids.
not to mention that GM has pretty much the most affordable hybrid option available in the vue greenline right now. 75% of the fuel savings of a toyota system and 30% of the added cost to the consumer. win win.
one other problem with GM is that the quality isn't similar across models. some models are at or near the head of the class, but GM as a whole or the brand as a whole is dragged down in the rankings by a few crappy models (the minivans are particularly bad, or so i've heard). so people look at brand or GM as a whole (the models aren't broken out so much, which is dumb because that's the information you really want) and say, 'well, they're not as good as toyota.'
merc had a similar problem, most of the problems were confined to a few particular models (the M and E classes, iirc), and it was dragging them down bad.
Because they base those 'resale value' (residual) numbers off MSRP. As we all know- GM/Ford can often be had well below MSRP when new due to incentives. This makes their residual values appear lower because Japanese branded Made in USA cars sell for closer to MSRP. Don't kid yourself- all these depreciate near the same unless you're stupid enough to pay MSRP for the GM/Ford ride.........
According to JD Power's statistics online- GM has exceeded the reliability of a very substantial number of Japanese branded vehicles the last few years..........Those 00' V6 Monte Carlo's were pieces of crap poser vehicles and you deserve the problems you had for buying one.........
Great......I've got an 89' Ford Probe with 150k miles on it that's running perfect and my mom has an 05 Toyota Sienna minivan that has been to the dealer 4x in under 10,000 miles.......I also beat the ****** out of a 03 Ford Lightning that I leased for 25k miles and never had a single issue............It's all in perspective- my girlfriend's Rav 4 hasn't had an issue.........................
You do know that most of the Japanese vehicles are usually built in the USA by the same group of people building the American vehicles? My dad works for Delphi and they do parts for both GM and Toyota.......
Yes, American vehicles sucked in the 90's and maybe even 00-01.........they have gotten better and GM is surpassing most of the Japanese makes in terms of reliability.....
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