YACT-Thinking of buying a 2005 WRX-STi

[Atomicus]

Subarus are assmbled outside of the US, disassmbled then shipped to the US for assembly. Causes serious reliability issues down the road, but other than that, should run fine. Why not an Evo III?

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Good looking car, out and in. STi vs. '05 Cobra......tough decision. The new Mustangs kick ass; STi's have a more boyish charm. Performance-wise, they'll both run down a straight quickly, but both will understeer.

Name one mass production car that doesn't understeer. :roll:

Watch the 5/30/2004 Top Gear with the Evo8RS vs. STi, the Evo has slight understeer but the STi is laughable through the same corners.

Add -1.5 negative camber to the front, problem solved. In fact, the Evo sells with some neg camber while the STi doesn't. I swear all the car review shows and magazines are bribed and rigged, as they had to have known this.
Subaru and other manufacturers purposely dial in some understeer into their cars because studies definitively show that less-than-expert drivers can deal with understeer better than they can oversteer, so it's better for their liability purposes (see the thread with the lady who won the $300+ million from Ford because she rolled her Explorer).

 

[kami333]

Originally posted by: Atomicus
Subarus are assmbled outside of the US, disassmbled then shipped to the US for assembly. Causes serious reliability issues down the road, but other than that, should run fine. Why not an Evo III?

Where did you get that info???

 

[Aharami]

Originally posted by: Atomicus
Subarus are assmbled outside of the US, disassmbled then shipped to the US for assembly. Causes serious reliability issues down the road, but other than that, should run fine. Why not an Evo III?

huh? how does that make sense from the company point of view? thats only gonna cost the company more money


btw...get the STi....but not in blue please. that blue is waaay too common...just like silver was back in 2000

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: kaizersose

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Good looking car, out and in. STi vs. '05 Cobra......tough decision. The new Mustangs kick ass; STi's have a more boyish charm. Performance-wise, they'll both run down a straight quickly, but both will understeer.

Name one mass production car that doesn't understeer. :roll:

911

BS, 911 may be closer to neutral than most but I would suspect Porsche would dial in a slight amount of understeer for a production car just like every other manufacturer out there would. They certainly wouldn't want oversteer in a production car because most drivers wouldn't know what to do with a car that oversteers.

Um. 911 are notorious for oversteering. They've dialed it down a lot in more recent years but rear-engine and RWD = bigass oversteer.

The 70s 911 was notorious for that but Porsche has dialed out that characteristic. Most cars understeer because it is much more predictable than oversteer for the average driver to cope with. Why do you think Porsche worked so hard to eliminate that characteristic? I'll admit that it is probably slightly inclined to oversteer if you are throttle off cornering but I would suspect that it is more neutral than anything.

They still oversteer a bit, but are waaaay more neutral than they used to be for sure.

Still, most production cars understeer.

Very true.

Back to the WRX-STi please!

Hey, you're the one who got all huffy and started yelling "BS!".


At any rate, I'd go for the STi over the 'Stang. That much stock HP + great suspension + AWD = big fun.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Atomicus
Subarus are assmbled outside of the US, disassmbled then shipped to the US for assembly. Causes serious reliability issues down the road, but other than that, should run fine. Why not an Evo III?

Bullsh!t. :roll::roll::roll:

All Imprezas sold in the US are final assembled in Japan and shipped intact to the port of Vancouver, WA where they are distributed to the dealers. As US law requires that 1% of assembly take place in the US, stereos are installed in Vancouver.

All Legacies (including Outbacks) sold in the US are final assembled at Subaru's plant in Indiana.

 

[GasX]

If they made an STi with no hood scoop, an FMIC and no spoiler, I'd be interested...

 

[kami333]

Originally posted by: Vic
As US law requires that 1% of assembly take place in the US, stereos are installed in Vancouver.

Really? Didn't know that part. haha, maybe that explains why I had 3 stock radios fail on me

 

[Pocatello]

Unless you go rallying, I prefer the Mustang GT. I had more fun driving a 92 Mustang GT than the current WRX, not that the turbo WRX isn't fun to drive. But then I always like rear-wheel drive and big V-8. I think it's all about the drive, get in both cars and drive, and see which ones fit you the most. I can hardly wait to test drive the 05 Mustang GT. Which should be available this fall.

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Atomicus
Subarus are assmbled outside of the US, disassmbled then shipped to the US for assembly. Causes serious reliability issues down the road, but other than that, should run fine. Why not an Evo III?

Bullsh!t. :roll::roll::roll:

All Imprezas sold in the US are final assembled in Japan and shipped intact to the port of Vancouver, WA where they are distributed to the dealers. As US law requires that 1% of assembly take place in the US, stereos are installed in Vancouver.

All Legacies (including Outbacks) sold in the US are final assembled at Subaru's plant in Indiana.

I'll have some of whatever Atomicus is smoking, please.

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: Atomicus
Subarus are assmbled outside of the US, disassmbled then shipped to the US for assembly. Causes serious reliability issues down the road, but other than that, should run fine. Why not an Evo III?

why would they bother to disassemble them? It's not like they have to fit every component through a 1" pipe in order to clear customs...they just load 'em on a container ship and away they go.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Mwilding
If they made an STi with no hood scoop, an FMIC and no spoiler, I'd be interested...

Give me $1,500 and let me keep the stock TMIC (edit: and hood) and I'll do that for you.

 

[Pocatello]

Wow there are a lot of misinformations being spread here.

 

Originally posted by: Atomicus
Subarus are assmbled outside of the US, disassmbled then shipped to the US for assembly. Causes serious reliability issues down the road, but other than that, should run fine. Why not an Evo III?

thats BS

no company would waste the bucks assembling a car that is specifically built for the US market, only to disassemble, ship, and reassemble and sell

when i ordered my wrx, i was given a build date, a ship date, a coastal arrival date, a date the truck would pull into the dealer, and a date that my car would be ready for pick up

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Atomicus
Subarus are assmbled outside of the US, disassmbled then shipped to the US for assembly. Causes serious reliability issues down the road, but other than that, should run fine. Why not an Evo III?

hahahahaha......

What a tremendous waste of resources. Why on Earth would any company pay people to assemble something, then disassemble it.. and then reassemble it again?! LOL!

Pipe.Crack.Down.Now.

Originally posted by: jntdesign
when i ordered my wrx, i was given a build date, a ship date, a coastal arrival date, a date the truck would pull into the dealer, and a date that my car would be ready for pick up

That's cool.

I would be camping out in the dealers parkinglot the day before my car was due to arrive, and then stay there until it was ready for pickup, to make sure *nobody* drove my baby.

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: Pocatello
Wow there are a lot of misinformations being spread here.

It's the internet, what'd you expect?

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Pocatello
Unless you go rallying, I prefer the Mustang GT. I had more fun driving a 92 Mustang GT than the current WRX, not that the turbo WRX isn't fun to drive. But then I always like rear-wheel drive and big V-8. I think it's all about the drive, get in both cars and drive, and see which ones fit you the most. I can hardly wait to test drive the 05 Mustang GT. Which should be available this fall.

Just because the driving experiences are different doesn't mean they're not both fun to drive.

I have an 03 WRX and I admit that the upcoming 05 GT tempts me. I'll be test-driving one for sure at least. Be fun to smoke the tires again

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Atomicus
Subarus are assmbled outside of the US, disassmbled then shipped to the US for assembly. Causes serious reliability issues down the road, but other than that, should run fine. Why not an Evo III?

hahahahaha......

What a tremendous waste of resources. Why on Earth would any company pay people to assemble something, then disassemble it.. and then reassemble it again?! LOL!

Pipe.Crack.Down.Now.

Heh. Not only that, but how that process would (in and of itself) lead to reliability problems down the road is what I really want to know!

I think Atomicus is just spreading lies because he owns a Mitsu and is terrified now that it looks like they will go under for sure. "Buy an Evo! Please!"

 

[thomsbrain]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Good looking car, out and in. STi vs. '05 Cobra......tough decision. The new Mustangs kick ass; STi's have a more boyish charm. Performance-wise, they'll both run down a straight quickly, but both will understeer.

Name one mass production car that doesn't understeer. :roll:

from what i understand, the 1st-gen S2000's had a tendancy to swing the tail out that enough customers found disturbing that honda made the handling more "neutral" for the revised version.

 

[Ranger X]

It's hard to see over the huge hump on the hood but other than that, it seems fine. ;-)

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Aharami

Originally posted by: Atomicus
Subarus are assmbled outside of the US, disassmbled then shipped to the US for assembly. Causes serious reliability issues down the road, but other than that, should run fine. Why not an Evo III?

huh? how does that make sense from the company point of view? thats only gonna cost the company more money


btw...get the STi....but not in blue please. that blue is waaay too common...just like silver was back in 2000

No, definitely not getting the blue. Maybe white or silver. Not black either.

 

if you go silver and want to swap trunk lids and spoilers - i'm up for it

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Pocatello
Unless you go rallying, I prefer the Mustang GT. I had more fun driving a 92 Mustang GT than the current WRX, not that the turbo WRX isn't fun to drive. But then I always like rear-wheel drive and big V-8. I think it's all about the drive, get in both cars and drive, and see which ones fit you the most. I can hardly wait to test drive the 05 Mustang GT. Which should be available this fall.

Just because the driving experiences are different doesn't mean they're not both fun to drive.

I have an 03 WRX and I admit that the upcoming 05 GT tempts me. I'll be test-driving one for sure at least. Be fun to smoke the tires again

I've owned 2 Mustang GTs in the past and enjoyed them both immensely but the lighter, powerful, AWD WRX-STi just seems to do so many things right that I just can't help but consider it.

I'm not really in any hurry and I still have to get the spousal seal of approval (that's going to be a tough sell). If I can get rid of that boy racer spoiler I might be able to sell her on the fact that it's a 4 door. Although, she has already hinted that she would be open to the new Mustang so who knows. She's not driving it...what does she care?

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: jntdesign
if you go silver and want to swap trunk lids and spoilers - i'm up for it

Except you're in Illinois and I'm in California...

Why would I swap trunk lids? Doesn't the spoiler just bolt on?

 

[lokiju]

The Subaru Impreza was on the top of the list for 2004 top Lemon List.

Link

Not sure if that means there would be an issue with the Sti however.