I'd rather get the faster srt4 for 2k less, or the new mustang gt for 3k more.
I think 22k is too much for the supercharged cobalt.
I think 22k is too much for the supercharged cobalt.
No way a pulley, exhaust, and "intake" (which I assume means a CAI) will get a 205HP motor to 260HP.
As for the car itself, it's not a bad offering I think.
My point is we are finally seeing decent power with cars. 250+.
They missed the boat and only managed to squeeze a measely 205 HP out of a supercharged motor.
My old prelude had that and it was a 2.2 normally aspirated motor.
sickening.
You better hope the Cobalt SS's dyno graph below 5k doesn't complete trounce your Prelude 2.2's.
Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
Um, the 200hp version sure as hell doesn't start at 14kThe base, powered by a weed wacker motor starts at 14k
Oh and Nik - 89 Accords are hardly zippy. My cousin owns one, my dad owned an 88, and I owned an 88 as well. Don't call what's a slow dog "zippy". It makes me question what cars you consider "fast"
Well, because I still live in the real world and don't turn my nose up to everything that's not in the "exotic" catagory as being a complete and utter failure as an automobile, I have slightly lower standards when it comes to vehicles.
You don't have to be frickin Tiff Needle to appreciate a good little car.As if there were any question about that. A prelude doesn't have a torque curve, it has a torque slope.
BAH - every time I see the name "Cobalt" I instantly snap to "WHO'S TALKIN ABOUT ME!! WHO!! I'LL RIP THEM A NEW ONE!!" This whole Chevy Cobalt thing is really throwing me for a loop.
:laugh:
:laugh:
Originally posted by: Nik
*cough*THAT THANG GOT A HEMI?*cough*
A RWD neon with a hemi would be too popular
My prelude was made over 5 years ago with a 2.2 L normally aspirated motor.
And this is what america can come up with?
Like I said, they missed the boat and produced yet another underpowered car when it could have been so much more.
*takes a deep breath*
Well, your Prelude was even more underpowered then. The Cobalt has a better power to weight ratio, not to mention something you honda boys keep forgetting about, LOW END TORQUE.
Cars of this size don't need stupid amounts of HP to fling them along. They're still econoboxes underneath whatever styling cues that get tacked on (like the bumpers, side skirts, and hatch spoiler on my SVT F).
GM has come up with a car that puts it into the dead center of the compact crowd, exactly where they need to be. The Ecotec is a fantastic motor to work with, as was the H22a. For a car its size, its got all the power it needs and a lot more torque than most of its competition.
Vic
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Agreed. My experience with American cars is that the hp is almost always underrated (unlike Japanese, where it is usually overrated). My personal experiences with Ecotec Cavaliers (a heap of sh!t car if ever there was one, but the motor was fine) is that the 140hp rating was more like 140 at the wheels and closer to 160 at the crank.
As noted by others, the hp is in range with its competitors. The Scion tC only makes about 165 hp. What is more important is the design and build quality, something I haven't seen yet, but I do know that its predecessor, the Cavalier, was one of the worst built cars I have ever seen...
So the Cobalt SS is going to need to be very very nice inside and out or people are going to get the SRT-4 or Mustang GT (which are probably better buys anyway, but then again I don't care much about a fancy interior so long as its comfortable).
Sounds like Chevy has a worthy effort here that puts them in the game with a base hit, but I seriously doubt it will be anything close to the home run they need.
<- laughs uncontrollably
Pulley, exhaust, and intake will probably take it up to 230-240. If the ECU proves hackable, you might get 250.
arcenite
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depends on what kind of pulley you put on it... and if you put two pulleys (smaller on the super, bigger on the motor) then you can definately get closer to 300 range... Especially if you redo all the pulleys (ac, waterpump, etc). Adding a real exhaust to the pulleys will help even more (getting you closer to the 300 range). Super needs all the exhaust it can get
Bill
Bill
Originally posted by: NutBucket
Its actually not that bad
Example
Besides, which would you rather have?
Get ready for ownage. You will be called out right, about... NOW.
The motor in the dyno was indeed a H22A, but it has the following mods:
DC 4-2-1 headers, 2.5 inch exhaust
Short ram intake.
Head milled 30k
From:
http://www.importreview.com/d_2.2.html
Click on "1995 H22A"
PWNT.
To someone who isn't a BSer, LMK if the Cobalt SS uses the same engine as the Saturn ION redline. I have a SCC issue that I recall had a dyno graph in it.
Originally posted by: Viperoni
Originally posted by: NutBucket
Its actually not that bad
Example
Besides, which would you rather have?
Get ready for ownage. You will be called out right, about... NOW.
The motor in the dyno was indeed a H22A, but it has the following mods:
DC 4-2-1 headers, 2.5 inch exhaust
Short ram intake.
Head milled 30k
From:
http://www.importreview.com/d_2.2.html
Click on "1995 H22A"
PWNT.
To someone who isn't a BSer, LMK if the Cobalt SS uses the same engine as the Saturn ION redline. I have a SCC issue that I recall had a dyno graph in it.
I believe it is the same engine. The engine size and power ratings are the same. Knowing car companies nowadays, (Saving Money) it probably is.
JDub02
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I drove a Saturn Ion Red Line for the fun of it. Has the same supercharged ecotec motor. The engine had plenty of grunt. My complaints were about the clutch. It actually felt like it had a little more low end than the SRT4 that I drove. Although the idiot salesman had regular gas in the SRT.
But wind that SRT out and it was alot of fun.
But wind that SRT out and it was alot of fun.
Originally posted by: JDub02
I drove a Saturn Ion Red Line for the fun of it. Has the same supercharged ecotec motor. The engine had plenty of grunt. My complaints were about the clutch. It actually felt like it had a little more low end than the SRT4 that I drove. Although the idiot salesman had regular gas in the SRT.
But wind that SRT out and it was alot of fun.
It probably did since blowers produce better numbers down low due to the fact they're always running with the motor instead of having to spool up like a turbo (SRT4)
Zenmervolt
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The engine points the wrong way and drives the wrong pair of wheels.
Sorry, but sports cars do not have front mounted transverse engines. And a true sportscar never has power to the wheels that do the steering. (Yes, I know that I have excluded the current 911 Turbo from this because of AWD, it was a sad, sad, sad day when the last RWD-only Turbo rolled off the line.)
ZV
Sorry, but sports cars do not have front mounted transverse engines. And a true sportscar never has power to the wheels that do the steering. (Yes, I know that I have excluded the current 911 Turbo from this because of AWD, it was a sad, sad, sad day when the last RWD-only Turbo rolled off the line.)
ZV
NutBucket
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Originally posted by: Viperoni
Originally posted by: NutBucket
Its actually not that bad
Example
Besides, which would you rather have?
Get ready for ownage. You will be called out right, about... NOW.
The motor in the dyno was indeed a H22A, but it has the following mods:
DC 4-2-1 headers, 2.5 inch exhaust
Short ram intake.
Head milled 30k
From:
http://www.importreview.com/d_2.2.html
Click on "1995 H22A"
PWNT.
To someone who isn't a BSer, LMK if the Cobalt SS uses the same engine as the Saturn ION redline. I have a SCC issue that I recall had a dyno graph in it.
They're still all the same basic curve. I guess I must have been blind when I posted that.
And yes, the Ecotec in the Redline is the same as the SS.
Originally posted by: NutBucket
Originally posted by: Viperoni
Originally posted by: NutBucket
Its actually not that bad
Example
Besides, which would you rather have?
Get ready for ownage. You will be called out right, about... NOW.
The motor in the dyno was indeed a H22A, but it has the following mods:
DC 4-2-1 headers, 2.5 inch exhaust
Short ram intake.
Head milled 30k
From:
http://www.importreview.com/d_2.2.html
Click on "1995 H22A"
PWNT.
To someone who isn't a BSer, LMK if the Cobalt SS uses the same engine as the Saturn ION redline. I have a SCC issue that I recall had a dyno graph in it.
They're still all the same basic curve. I guess I must have been blind when I posted that.
And yes, the Ecotec in the Redline is the same as the SS.
Same curve but a lot shorter.
I gotta scan the dyno results, but it drops 197whp at the 6450rpm redline and would have kept on building power.
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