YABulldozerT: AMD FX Processor Prices Lower Than Expected

[formulav8]

Bulldozer on the desktop will be an even less compelling product than the original Phenom was.

Yeps, MANY people ARE going to be quite disappointed with BD when it comes to the desktop. BD is first and foremost a server cpu specifically designed for server workloads. It will NOT be a 2600k/2700k killer that many wants. But in a couple desktop workloads it will shine in.

 

[formulav8]

Sure, but what does that mean?

If I say the price is rumored to be $249.98 and AMD says "nope, wrong" because they are really going to be $248.99 then AMD is correct but irrelevant at the same time.

Likewise the rumors could be wrong because they are over-stating the intended MSRP. Maybe it isn't $249.98 because AMD is planning to MSRP them at $229.98.

Refuting a rumor does little to clear the confusion on the subject matter of the rumor itself. And that is relevant.

I definitely don't disagree. I just said that AMD says the rumor is wrong. Not thats its $1 wrong or $100 wrong. Just that they are Not on the mark with the exact pricing.

 

[aigomorla]

i have a feeling its because the X6 is showing to be a better cpu then bulldozer.

:X

 

[formulav8]

i have a feeling its because the X6 is showing to be a better cpu then bulldozer.

:X

Have a feeling of what because the x6 is showing to be faster?

 

[aigomorla]

Have a feeling of what because the x6 is showing to be faster?

the constantly falling prices...
Its not showing what people are expecting..
So they have to make the package more attractive.

 

[dbigers]

the constantly falling prices...
Its not showing what people are expecting..
So they have to make the package more attractive.

First time visiting here in a long time.

I think you might be right. Actually, I think the X6 is very attractive right now. Especially if you do a lot of 3D rendering (I have a small company and small render farm). If someone is has the socket for it already, the X6 is a great deal.

As for BD, I believe you are probably right. Either AMD is trying to be aggressive with pricing to get marketshare and because of the deal with GLO-Flo they can afford to.....or the more likely scenario is they are pricing it where it performs. Which means the 6120 at or near the same price as the X6 shows that BD offers little if any performance over the older uarch. In fact, the 6120 might even be slower.

If I was on AM# socket now, I would be dropping in X6's to upgrade my systems. However, I have to buy new MB's and start from scratch this time. I am waiting to see how BD shakes out. I have the feeling that I will be going with 2600k's for the best cost to performance ratio.

 

[formulav8]

the constantly falling prices...
Its not showing what people are expecting..
So they have to make the package more attractive.

I believe so too. :thumbsup:

 

[Majic 7]

Coincidence that these price drops (rumors?) coincide with the last rumored release date?

 

[pinkfloyd48]

With all the bickering back and forth Im going with this. Why would they make an ad like this.
World's first native 8-core desktop processor.


Get 8-Cores

 

[pinkfloyd48]

Im going with this http://sites.amd.com/us/promo/processors/Pages/fx-processor.aspx

 

[formulav8]

It is somewhat of a interesting ad. I still think its going to have some strong points and unfortunately more weakpoints. AMD really needs the programs to be recompiled for some of their advanced features which would really make the cpu shine. But that won't happen anytime soon.

 

[NostaSeronx]

In PC servers and workstations, Intel had 94.5 percent market share, up 0.6 percentage points. AMD had 5.5 percent, down 0.6 percentage points. In PC desktops, Intel had 70.9 percent, down 1.5 percentage points, and AMD was 28.9 percent, up 1.5 percentage points.

I see Bulldozer after seeing the prices of the supposed server and the supposed desktop prices aiming for market share

 

[IlllI]

i could have sworn i read some article where it was 'confirmed' that the prices would be $300

 

[Despoiler]

i could have sworn i read some article where it was 'confirmed' that the prices would be $300

AMD has said the price for the 8150 would be about $300. Not a price confirmation really.

 

[BlueBlazer]

I thought I read somewhere that AMD - China said those prices were Wrong.

Can you provide the source? Most of the Chinese articles I find are referring to the BLT listings. :hmm:

i could have sworn i read some article where it was 'confirmed' that the prices would be $300

That came from AMD FX Giveaway contest.....

Five (5) AMD FX series eight-core processors. Approximate Retail Value: $300 USD each.

The October 12th date can also be seen on that webpage.

 

[inf64]

Have a feeling of what because the x6 is showing to be faster?

If it was slower than X6 1100T then AMD wouldn't be able to price it at 245$ or 260$ (what rumors indicate). Current X6 1100T price is 205$ as per AMD's official price list. Expect this price to drop a bit by the time Zambezi launches,this has always been the case with new product launches. So sub 200$(probably around 185$ and matching FX61xx) versus 245-260$ for FX 8150. At best 32% and at worst 40% difference. Price should correspond to performance ,at least roughly. So I doubt they will price inferior product 30+% above their superior product and wait to get teabagged in reviews for poorer price/performance ratio.

 

[formulav8]

If its not performance thats causing AMD to price low then they must really be making them cheaply enough and truly wants the cashflow pretty bad....

 

[inf64]

Maybe if you check 16C Opteron pricing that was leaked you can see similar pattern. You have lower price for same base clock speed as 12C MC and 33% more cores(bulldozer "cores") . AMD lists 35% more HPC performance than top MC today. So at worst you get 33% better performance than decently higher priced MC. But expect MC price to drop too,at Interlagos launch. All this appear to be AMD's tactic to get back some of the lost server share.

 

[NostaSeronx]

AMD lists 35% more HPC performance than top MC today.

In HPC they should have 33% more cores and 2.33x the Floating Point Bandwidth

FMA is overkill for HPC

 

[Despoiler]

If its not performance thats causing AMD to price low then they must really be making them cheaply enough and truly wants the cashflow pretty bad....

I've read that AMD has good yields on Bulldozer. We also know they have done this in the graphics division starting with the 5800 series. They beat Nvidia to the punch on DX11 by 6 months. They still launched them at $250 street. The 5870 wasn't that much more. Granted TSMC couldn't keep up with demand so the price went upto $300, but the point is still made. Foot in the door pricing is one strategy to get some market share back.

 

[Chinoman]

I've read that AMD has good yields on Bulldozer. We also know they have done this in the graphics division starting with the 5800 series. They beat Nvidia to the punch on DX11 by 6 months. They still launched them at $250 street. The 5870 wasn't that much more. Granted TSMC couldn't keep up with demands to the price went upto $300, but the point is still made. Foot in the door pricing is one strategy to get some market share back.

Yup, price is a bad indicator of performance when it comes to AMD, specifically since they're usually more inclined to start price wars than Intel.

Think about it, guys. When is the last time AMD priced itself at a lower or equal performance/$ ratio to Intel when introducing a new product?

 

[trollolo]

i don't get why the AMD site mentions the term "black edition". i thought all FX processors were unlocked?

 

[NostaSeronx]

i don't get why the AMD site mentions the term "black edition". i thought all FX processors were unlocked?

Yep, all FX CPUs are unlocked

 

[frozentundra123456]

Im going with this http://sites.amd.com/us/promo/processors/Pages/fx-processor.aspx

What is your point about this video?? Doesnt really prove anything except that the chip can run another game besides Dirt 3. Not trying to be argumentative or criticize you, but no real performance information is given at all.

 

[trollolo]

What is your point about this video?? Doesnt really prove anything except that the chip can run another game besides Dirt 3. Not trying to be argumentative or criticize you, but no real performance information is given at all.

because there's a release date given, and hopefully we can trust AMD over 3rd party news sources