YAABMT (Why are Black Men always portrayed as criminals)

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: PabloMartinez
Blacks are 12.1% of the US population.

FEDERAL PRISON
INMATES BY RACE

White: 100,593 (56.7%)

Black: 71,156 (40.1%)

Asian: 2,870 (1.6%)

Native
American: 2,899 (1.6%)

Sources: http://www.bop.gov/fact0598.html#Ethnic
http://www.census.gov/prod/2001pubs/c2kbr01-1.pdf

12% of the entire population, and yet 40% of the prison population? Hmm...

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: amcdonald
I'm prejudiced against people that dress/act/appear shady.
I don't care about race.
That being said, I see a lot more black people trying to give the appearance of being a thug than asians.
Whatever.

bingo

 

[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: MadCowDisease

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

I respectfully disagree, I think racism is dying off & is much less a factor than it's claimed to be. I'm begining to feel that it's a scapegoat claim and an excuse rather than real.

If the crime statistics & other statistics were different, I might agree. I live in Texas & work with many blacks, I don't see racism in action any longer, in fact, I see the opposite. & I see blacks screwing up their own lives & culture.

This is a common misperception with people who think that the Civil Rights act put an end to racism. It did not. OVERT racism is less common, but we still have problems with systematic patterns of racism throughout the country - it happens when you call up a mortgage company and get X rate, then fill out the form and check "whatever minority" under the form and all of the sudden, the rate has doubled because of 'higher risk' in that neighborhood or some other reason. We have cases of environmental racism where toxic substances and/or toxic waste dumps are allocated next to lower-income neighborhoods, typically lower-income MINORITY neighborhoods. This sort of less-than-obvious racism is still alive and kicking.

Saying that racism is on its way out is simply a way of not confronting an issue which is more than prevalent in today's world and will probably never die out.

Once again I disagree, it's more of a socioeconomic discrimination that racism, and it affects everyone, and it's an outgrowth of capitalism.

There was a great piece on what happens to suburbs/communities when minorities move into them on NPR last week or so. They talked about how minorities moved to the burbs/bedroom communities & brought all their problems with them. It takes about a decade & the new community is as fvcked up as the old one.

I don't see systematic patterns of racism, I see capitalism & people crying "No justice no peace" decades after the fact.

I also see black churches messages falling on deaf ears... Just like Cosby's comments.

 

[notfred]

I made a post that is probably one of the ones the OP was referring to. I'd like to say that by no means do I think all black men are thieves or criminals. I have a black roommate (woman, not a man) and she's a fantastic person. I don't know why I keep getting robbed by black men, but it does make me a little more wary of black men when I see them walking down the street at night, especially in groups. I'm fully aware that it's not all black men or even a majority of black men that are doing this, but it does make me look at some people a bit more carefully.

Of course, I wouldn't think twice about a 35 year old black man in a suit. But 4 black men in thier early 20's driving an old cadillac with chrome rims, blasting loud rap music, wearing shirts with pot leaf graphics and slogans like "If you see the police, let a brother know", yeah I'd watch them a tad more closely.

 

[IHYLN]

lmao conspiracy theories..

if you are actually dumb enough to think that someone in the Gov't sat there and said "OH HEY let's infuse drugs into the black community to make them worse off" seriously, lay off the crack

drug addicts in GENERAL are a huge problem.. wtf are you thinking seriously.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: PabloMartinez
INMATES BY RACE

White: 100,593 (56.7%)

Black: 71,156 (40.1%)

Asian: 2,870 (1.6%)

Native
American: 2,899 (1.6%)

Pablo, no mexicans in prison? You're not bias are you?

The US government doesn't classify Hispanic as a race, so they'll be in the white or black categories.

 

[Kipper]

Originally posted by: KMDupont64

Originally posted by: MadCowDisease

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

I respectfully disagree, I think racism is dying off & is much less a factor than it's claimed to be. I'm begining to feel that it's a scapegoat claim and an excuse rather than real.

If the crime statistics & other statistics were different, I might agree. I live in Texas & work with many blacks, I don't see racism in action any longer, in fact, I see the opposite. & I see blacks screwing up their own lives & culture.

This is a common misperception with people who think that the Civil Rights act put an end to racism. It did not. OVERT racism is less common, but we still have problems with systematic patterns of racism throughout the country - it happens when you call up a mortgage company and get X rate, then fill out the form and check "whatever minority" under the form and all of the sudden, the rate has doubled because of 'higher risk' in that neighborhood or some other reason. We have cases of environmental racism where toxic substances and/or toxic waste dumps are allocated next to lower-income neighborhoods, typically lower-income MINORITY neighborhoods. This sort of less-than-obvious racism is still alive and kicking.

Saying that racism is on its way out is simply a way of not confronting an issue which is more than prevalent in today's world and will probably never die out.

What about affirmative action, going the other way, where for example a white and a minority can have equal qualifications for a job/spot in school/whatever. But the minority will get it so the "quota" is met.

Racism is an excuse. Play the hand your dealt in life.

Affirmative action has barely ANYTHING to do with racism...it's more of a sideline issue which does have to do with race. The issue at hand is whether or not racism is a prevalent force in today's society or whether it has become an 'excuse,' as you claim. I maintain that racism is alive and kicking, regardless of how you look at it, and it's a denial on the part of THOUSANDS of well-intentioned and well-minded individuals to assume that the civil rights act solved this nation's race problems and that we can all go to sleep knowing that this country is as racially equal as it could be - when in fact it is not. Example in point: look at gross inequality faced by women, even after they got the right to vote and the feminist movement took a greater hold on the social culture. But as far as AA is concerned...

The way I see it, affirmative action is a well-intentioned program which has become abused and improperly practiced. In its current form, it is fairly effective at getting minorities into schools and improving chances for college admisson across racial boundaries. However, it does come at the cost of denying lower-income Whites AND/or Asians admission to universities simply because of their race. It also has the effect that Black students from Fairfax County, VA, home to some of the best public schools in the country, have a better chance of entering a prestiegeous university more than Whites from Podunk, whatever.

A better pragmatic solution would be, as I have always personally maintained, to dump more money into public schools, attract teachers from the private sector, pour more funding into textbooks and technology, as well as appropriate facilities (some public schools, especially in the inner city, are simply converted warehouses), while at the same time scaling back affirmative action programs until they are no longer necessary. An alternative would be to take into account socio-economic considerations as well when admitting students into universities. Perhaps this would reduce the inequity posed by financial considerations and ease the inequality posed on that front as well.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: notfred
I made a post that is probably one of the ones the OP was referring to. I'd like to say that by no means do I think all black men are thieves or criminals. I have a black roommate (woman, not a man) and she's a fantastic person. I don't know why I keep getting robbed by black men, but it does make me a little more wary of black men when I see them walking down the street at night, especially in groups. I'm fully aware that it's not all black men or even a majority of black men that are doing this, but it does make me look at some people a bit more carefully.

Of course, I wouldn't think twice about a 35 year old black man in a suit. But 4 black men in thier early 20's driving an old cadillac with chrome rims, blasting loud rap music, wearing shirts with pot leaf graphics and slogans like "If you see the police, let a brother know", yeah I'd watch them a tad more closely.

A tad? Heh :beer: for your post, but "a tad" is an understatement.

 

[Kipper]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: PabloMartinez
INMATES BY RACE

White: 100,593 (56.7%)

Black: 71,156 (40.1%)

Asian: 2,870 (1.6%)

Native
American: 2,899 (1.6%)

Pablo, no mexicans in prison? You're not bias are you?

The US government doesn't classify Hispanic as a race, so they'll be in the white or black categories.

One more thing I forgot to mention: race is a social construction, and experiences MANY changes throughout time, so it's a bit of a realistic problem there to concentrate all of your effort on race itself.

 

[erikistired]

Originally posted by: Darkstar757

Originally posted by: Kyteland

Originally posted by: Darkstar757
So true but it will take time because we were enslaved for so long that many do not know how to manage a family. I also agree with Bill Cosby and the fact that hard work is needed and not blaming it all on racism. However I will point out that racism still exsists and still is a huge problem. I just so happens that its not the only nore the biggest problem the black community faces today.

How much time do you need? Perhaps I'm a bit deficient in my black history, but it seems to me that the black family unit was functioning fairly well 30-40 years ago. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Right it was before the introduction of CRACK COCAINE. I also know that this drug wasnt dreamed up by some black guy in a closet dreaming of how to get rich.

and someone else forced every person (white black whatever) on crack to get hooked right? this didn't work for me when my white friends in high school were doing drugs and it sure isn't going to work now.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: PabloMartinez
INMATES BY RACE

White: 100,593 (56.7%)

Black: 71,156 (40.1%)

Asian: 2,870 (1.6%)

Native
American: 2,899 (1.6%)

Pablo, no mexicans in prison? You're not bias are you?

The US government doesn't classify Hispanic as a race, so they'll be in the white or black categories.

That is absurdly false. Around here, hispanics are the majority. Hell if I break my leg, I have to drive to Hillsboro or Forest Grove because the medical clinic right down the fvcking street will hang up on you or kick you out if you're not mexican. However, if a mexican needs medical attention, they just walk in and get it. Don't have to show ID, don't have to show that you PAY TAXES, don't have to show that you're a LEGAL CITIZEN. :|

And they're funded by the gub'ment! :|

 

[Kipper]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: MadCowDisease

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

I respectfully disagree, I think racism is dying off & is much less a factor than it's claimed to be. I'm begining to feel that it's a scapegoat claim and an excuse rather than real.

If the crime statistics & other statistics were different, I might agree. I live in Texas & work with many blacks, I don't see racism in action any longer, in fact, I see the opposite. & I see blacks screwing up their own lives & culture.

This is a common misperception with people who think that the Civil Rights act put an end to racism. It did not. OVERT racism is less common, but we still have problems with systematic patterns of racism throughout the country - it happens when you call up a mortgage company and get X rate, then fill out the form and check "whatever minority" under the form and all of the sudden, the rate has doubled because of 'higher risk' in that neighborhood or some other reason. We have cases of environmental racism where toxic substances and/or toxic waste dumps are allocated next to lower-income neighborhoods, typically lower-income MINORITY neighborhoods. This sort of less-than-obvious racism is still alive and kicking.

Saying that racism is on its way out is simply a way of not confronting an issue which is more than prevalent in today's world and will probably never die out.

Once again I disagree, it's more of a socioeconomic discrimination that racism, and it affects everyone, and it's an outgrowth of capitalism.

There was a great piece on what happens to suburbs/communities when minorities move into them on NPR last week or so. They talked about how minorities moved to the burbs/bedroom communities & brought all their problems with them. It takes about a decade & the new community is as fvcked up as the old one.

I don't see systematic patterns of racism, I see capitalism & people crying "No justice no peace" decades after the fact.

I also see black churches messages falling on deaf ears... Just like Cosby's comments.

So you're assuming that racism is simply dead, or isolated to a few KKK-related incidents? You'll have to forgive me if I guffaw a bit. If anything, the socioeconomic discrimination you mention is BUILT INTO racism, simply because certain social and economic characteristics are increasingly associated with certain categories of a combination of race and sex. The 'big three' categories we think about are race, class, and gender. You can gauge the degree to which any act is influenced by one of these three categories, but they all do come into play, ultimately.

 

[Pliablemoose]

I went on vacation to the midwest over the last 2 weeks, drove into Texas, stopped @ a convenience store to buy gas & snacks. Come out of the store, and a 15 year old white Caddilac with gold rims is blocking me in @ the pumps (he wasn't buying gas, just parking, crooked & poorly), and a 300 lb black male lumbers leisurely out of the store & wedges himself into the caddy & drives off after a few minutes. No apology or even eye contact, just a shout & a wave to his buddy driving by...

Running thourgh my mind: "Yep, I'm sure back in Texas"

Am I racist for noticing this? That's what pisses me off, if I'm not guilty of overt racism as a default of my skin color, I'm a racist for noticing trends & statistics & a 300lb black asshole blocking me in @ the gas pumps?

 

[Kipper]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
I went on vacation to the midwest over the last 2 weeks, drove into Texas, stopped @ a convenience store to buy gas & snacks. Come out of the store, and a 15 year old white Caddilac with gold rims is blocking me in @ the pumps (he wasn't buying gas, just parking, crooked & poorly), and a 300 lb black male lumbers leisurely out of the store & wedges himself into the caddy & drives off after a few minutes. No apology or even eye contact, just a shout & a wave to his buddy driving by...

Running thourgh my mind: "Yep, I'm sure back in Texas"

Am I racist for noticing this? That's what pisses me off, if I'm not guilty of overt racism as a default of my skin color, I'm a racist for noticing trends & statistics & a 300lb black asshole blocking me in @ the gas pumps?

I think the problem here is that the guy was a.) a jerk, b.) inconsiderate, c.) a bad parallel parker. His race has NOTHING to do with the equation at all. He could have very well been a Brazilian unwed teenage mother with quintuplets sitting in the back seat.

 

[Jack Ryan]

This thread is a waste, people like MadCow will continue to use racism as a crutch because of their crappy lives.

It is noone elses fault buddy.

 

[Kipper]

Originally posted by: KMDupont64
This thread is a waste, people like MadCow will continue to use racism as a crutch because of their crappy lives.

It is noone elses fault buddy.

Once again...

Just because I stand up for gay rights does not mean I am a victim of discrimination by sexual orientation.
Just because I stand up for women's rights does not make me a.) a homosexual or b.) a woman.
Just because I believe racism exists and stand up against it does not make me a.) a victim, b.) someone who uses race as a crutch, c.) or a victim of racial discrimination.

Use your head, buddy. For all you know I am as WASPy as they come. This is the internet...it's all anonymous here.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: KMDupont64
This thread is a waste, people like MadCow will continue to use racism as a crutch because of their crappy lives.

It is noone elses fault buddy.

:beer:

 

[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: MadCowDisease

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
I went on vacation to the midwest over the last 2 weeks, drove into Texas, stopped @ a convenience store to buy gas & snacks. Come out of the store, and a 15 year old white Caddilac with gold rims is blocking me in @ the pumps (he wasn't buying gas, just parking, crooked & poorly), and a 300 lb black male lumbers leisurely out of the store & wedges himself into the caddy & drives off after a few minutes. No apology or even eye contact, just a shout & a wave to his buddy driving by...

Running thourgh my mind: "Yep, I'm sure back in Texas"

Am I racist for noticing this? That's what pisses me off, if I'm not guilty of overt racism as a default of my skin color, I'm a racist for noticing trends & statistics & a 300lb black asshole blocking me in @ the gas pumps?

I think the problem here is that the guy was a.) a jerk, b.) inconsiderate, c.) a bad parallel parker. His race has NOTHING to do with the equation at all. He could have very well been a Brazilian unwed teenage mother with quintuplets sitting in the back seat.

Race & sterotypical behaviors had everything to do with it.

Originally posted by: MadCowDisease

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: MadCowDisease

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

I respectfully disagree, I think racism is dying off & is much less a factor than it's claimed to be. I'm begining to feel that it's a scapegoat claim and an excuse rather than real.

If the crime statistics & other statistics were different, I might agree. I live in Texas & work with many blacks, I don't see racism in action any longer, in fact, I see the opposite. & I see blacks screwing up their own lives & culture.

This is a common misperception with people who think that the Civil Rights act put an end to racism. It did not. OVERT racism is less common, but we still have problems with systematic patterns of racism throughout the country - it happens when you call up a mortgage company and get X rate, then fill out the form and check "whatever minority" under the form and all of the sudden, the rate has doubled because of 'higher risk' in that neighborhood or some other reason. We have cases of environmental racism where toxic substances and/or toxic waste dumps are allocated next to lower-income neighborhoods, typically lower-income MINORITY neighborhoods. This sort of less-than-obvious racism is still alive and kicking.

Saying that racism is on its way out is simply a way of not confronting an issue which is more than prevalent in today's world and will probably never die out.

Once again I disagree, it's more of a socioeconomic discrimination that racism, and it affects everyone, and it's an outgrowth of capitalism.

There was a great piece on what happens to suburbs/communities when minorities move into them on NPR last week or so. They talked about how minorities moved to the burbs/bedroom communities & brought all their problems with them. It takes about a decade & the new community is as fvcked up as the old one.

I don't see systematic patterns of racism, I see capitalism & people crying "No justice no peace" decades after the fact.

I also see black churches messages falling on deaf ears... Just like Cosby's comments.

So you're assuming that racism is simply dead, or isolated to a few KKK-related incidents? You'll have to forgive me if I guffaw a bit. If anything, the socioeconomic discrimination you mention is BUILT INTO racism, simply because certain social and economic characteristics are increasingly associated with certain categories of a combination of race and sex. The 'big three' categories we think about are race, class, and gender. You can gauge the degree to which any act is influenced by one of these three categories, but they all do come into play, ultimately.

Now you're trying the chicken/egg argument. And you're not addressing the behaviors that put blacks in jail, or @ odds with society.

What I'm saying is that our country fought a war against the southern states and part of the reason for that war was slavery, and that our country has made great strides in making everyone equal, and that we've done a pretty good job, and that it's time for blacks to start policing their own ranks and behaviors.

They can start by:

1.) Decreasing overt/passive acceptance of violence
2.) Decreasing overt/passive acceptance of out of wedlock births
3.) Putting an emphasis on staying in school
4.) Decreasing overt/passive acceptance of drug use/sales/addiction

Honestly, I know I'm fighting a losing battle, it's not my place to point out what's wrong, but the OP asked.

I'll leave this thread with the wisdom of Julian Bond when talking about blacks who dare to be conservative:

?Their idea of equal rights is the American flag and Confederate swastika flying side by side? and ?they appeal to the dark underside of American culture, to that minority of Americans who reject democracy and equality.?

I'll take Cosby any dav over that venom.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: MadCowDisease

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: MadCowDisease

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

I respectfully disagree, I think racism is dying off & is much less a factor than it's claimed to be. I'm begining to feel that it's a scapegoat claim and an excuse rather than real.

If the crime statistics & other statistics were different, I might agree. I live in Texas & work with many blacks, I don't see racism in action any longer, in fact, I see the opposite. & I see blacks screwing up their own lives & culture.

This is a common misperception with people who think that the Civil Rights act put an end to racism. It did not. OVERT racism is less common, but we still have problems with systematic patterns of racism throughout the country - it happens when you call up a mortgage company and get X rate, then fill out the form and check "whatever minority" under the form and all of the sudden, the rate has doubled because of 'higher risk' in that neighborhood or some other reason. We have cases of environmental racism where toxic substances and/or toxic waste dumps are allocated next to lower-income neighborhoods, typically lower-income MINORITY neighborhoods. This sort of less-than-obvious racism is still alive and kicking.

Saying that racism is on its way out is simply a way of not confronting an issue which is more than prevalent in today's world and will probably never die out.

Once again I disagree, it's more of a socioeconomic discrimination that racism, and it affects everyone, and it's an outgrowth of capitalism.

There was a great piece on what happens to suburbs/communities when minorities move into them on NPR last week or so. They talked about how minorities moved to the burbs/bedroom communities & brought all their problems with them. It takes about a decade & the new community is as fvcked up as the old one.

I don't see systematic patterns of racism, I see capitalism & people crying "No justice no peace" decades after the fact.

I also see black churches messages falling on deaf ears... Just like Cosby's comments.

So you're assuming that racism is simply dead, or isolated to a few KKK-related incidents? You'll have to forgive me if I guffaw a bit. If anything, the socioeconomic discrimination you mention is BUILT INTO racism, simply because certain social and economic characteristics are increasingly associated with certain categories of a combination of race and sex. The 'big three' categories we think about are race, class, and gender. You can gauge the degree to which any act is influenced by one of these three categories, but they all do come into play, ultimately.

Now you're trying the chicken/egg argument. And you're not addressing the behaviors that put blacks in jail, or @ odds with society.

What I'm saying is that our country fought a war against the southern states and part of the reason for that war was slavery, and that our country has made great strides in making everyone equal, and that we've done a pretty good job, and that it's time for blacks to start policing their own ranks and behaviors.

They can start by:

1.) Decreasing overt/passive acceptance of violence
2.) Decreasing overt/passive acceptance of out of wedlock births
3.) Putting an emphasis on staying in school
4.) Decreasing overt/passive acceptance of drug use/sales/addiction

Honestly, I know I'm fighting a losing battle, it's not my place to point out what's wrong, but the OP asked.

I'll leave this thread with the wisdom of Julian Bond when talking about blacks who dare to be conservative:

?Their idea of equal rights is the American flag and Confederate swastika flying side by side? and ?they appeal to the dark underside of American culture, to that minority of Americans who reject democracy and equality.?

I'll take Cosby any dav over that venom.

Pliablemoose for Elite!

 

[Darkstar757]

Originally posted by: IHYLN
lmao conspiracy theories..

if you are actually dumb enough to think that someone in the Gov't sat there and said "OH HEY let's infuse drugs into the black community to make them worse off" seriously, lay off the crack

drug addicts in GENERAL are a huge problem.. wtf are you thinking seriously.

YPU FARKING ASSHAT

UMM HOW ABOUT THE Tuskegee EXPERIMENT! Our GOV gave blacks STD's on purpose.

YOU NEED TO READ MORE!

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: PabloMartinez
INMATES BY RACE

White: 100,593 (56.7%)

Black: 71,156 (40.1%)

Asian: 2,870 (1.6%)

Native
American: 2,899 (1.6%)

Pablo, no mexicans in prison? You're not bias are you?

The US government doesn't classify Hispanic as a race, so they'll be in the white or black categories.

That is absurdly false. Around here, hispanics are the majority. Hell if I break my leg, I have to drive to Hillsboro or Forest Grove because the medical clinic right down the fvcking street will hang up on you or kick you out if you're not mexican. However, if a mexican needs medical attention, they just walk in and get it. Don't have to show ID, don't have to show that you PAY TAXES, don't have to show that you're a LEGAL CITIZEN. :|

And they're funded by the gub'ment! :|

Well, it's the truth. Hispanic is not included because the US Census Bureau considers Hispanic to mean a person of Latin American descent living in the US who may be of any race or ethnic group.

 

[Kipper]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: MadCowDisease

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: MadCowDisease

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

I respectfully disagree, I think racism is dying off & is much less a factor than it's claimed to be. I'm begining to feel that it's a scapegoat claim and an excuse rather than real.

If the crime statistics & other statistics were different, I might agree. I live in Texas & work with many blacks, I don't see racism in action any longer, in fact, I see the opposite. & I see blacks screwing up their own lives & culture.

This is a common misperception with people who think that the Civil Rights act put an end to racism. It did not. OVERT racism is less common, but we still have problems with systematic patterns of racism throughout the country - it happens when you call up a mortgage company and get X rate, then fill out the form and check "whatever minority" under the form and all of the sudden, the rate has doubled because of 'higher risk' in that neighborhood or some other reason. We have cases of environmental racism where toxic substances and/or toxic waste dumps are allocated next to lower-income neighborhoods, typically lower-income MINORITY neighborhoods. This sort of less-than-obvious racism is still alive and kicking.

Saying that racism is on its way out is simply a way of not confronting an issue which is more than prevalent in today's world and will probably never die out.

Once again I disagree, it's more of a socioeconomic discrimination that racism, and it affects everyone, and it's an outgrowth of capitalism.

There was a great piece on what happens to suburbs/communities when minorities move into them on NPR last week or so. They talked about how minorities moved to the burbs/bedroom communities & brought all their problems with them. It takes about a decade & the new community is as fvcked up as the old one.

I don't see systematic patterns of racism, I see capitalism & people crying "No justice no peace" decades after the fact.

I also see black churches messages falling on deaf ears... Just like Cosby's comments.

So you're assuming that racism is simply dead, or isolated to a few KKK-related incidents? You'll have to forgive me if I guffaw a bit. If anything, the socioeconomic discrimination you mention is BUILT INTO racism, simply because certain social and economic characteristics are increasingly associated with certain categories of a combination of race and sex. The 'big three' categories we think about are race, class, and gender. You can gauge the degree to which any act is influenced by one of these three categories, but they all do come into play, ultimately.

Now you're trying the chicken/egg argument. And you're not addressing the behaviors that put blacks in jail, or @ odds with society.

What I'm saying is that our country fought a war against the southern states and part of the reason for that war was slavery, and that our country has made great strides in making everyone equal, and that we've done a pretty good job, and that it's time for blacks to start policing their own ranks and behaviors.

They can start by:

1.) Decreasing overt/passive acceptance of violence
2.) Decreasing overt/passive acceptance of out of wedlock births
3.) Putting an emphasis on staying in school
4.) Decreasing overt/passive acceptance of drug use/sales/addiction

Honestly, I know I'm fighting a losing battle, it's not my place to point out what's wrong, but the OP asked.

I'll leave this thread with the wisdom of Julian Bond when talking about blacks who dare to be conservative:

?Their idea of equal rights is the American flag and Confederate swastika flying side by side? and ?they appeal to the dark underside of American culture, to that minority of Americans who reject democracy and equality.?

I'll take Cosby any dav over that venom.

I haven't said a single thing about those "actions which put blacks in prison" - you're absolutely correct, because that's not the crux of my argument. I'm not suggesting a victim mentality, either, which would be completely useless. I think you're cnfusing me with a breed of people who sit back and expect others to fix their problems for them. I AM, however, speaking out against those who would sit back and think that the Civil Rights Act was the last nail in the coffin for racism and that it is dead - or dying, because it most certainly is not...anybody who is that naive needs to get out and experience the world.

 

[AccruedExpenditure]

Get over yourself.

 

[Kipper]

Originally posted by: KMDupont64
This thread is a waste, people like MadCow will continue to use racism as a crutch because of their crappy lives.

It is noone elses fault buddy.

If you think pointing out that racism is still alive and kicking is using it as a 'crutch,' or as an excuse, then I guess you've helped illustrate my point pretty clearly, because I haven't mentioned ANYTHING about using it as an excuse. You think you've heard this argument before and are simply blocking it out, what I am trying to convey is that racism is still a problem, and it has to be addressed. Nothing more. If that's using it as a crutch then I guess there's no point to debate.

 

[Kipper]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: PabloMartinez
INMATES BY RACE

White: 100,593 (56.7%)

Black: 71,156 (40.1%)

Asian: 2,870 (1.6%)

Native
American: 2,899 (1.6%)

Pablo, no mexicans in prison? You're not bias are you?

The US government doesn't classify Hispanic as a race, so they'll be in the white or black categories.

That is absurdly false. Around here, hispanics are the majority. Hell if I break my leg, I have to drive to Hillsboro or Forest Grove because the medical clinic right down the fvcking street will hang up on you or kick you out if you're not mexican. However, if a mexican needs medical attention, they just walk in and get it. Don't have to show ID, don't have to show that you PAY TAXES, don't have to show that you're a LEGAL CITIZEN. :|

And they're funded by the gub'ment! :|

Well, it's the truth. Hispanic is not included because the US Census Bureau considers Hispanic to mean a person of Latin American descent living in the US who may be of any race or ethnic group.

This should be of no surprise, although I'm suprised they haven't included Hispanic/Latino in the census results...if you go back around 50-60 years, census forms had "Irish" or "Jewish" listed as races. Today those are classified under "white."