YAABMT (Why are Black Men always portrayed as criminals)

[Spamela]

"Why are Black Men always portrayed as criminals" - it helps shameless white politicians get elected
by scaring white voters.

 

[Ilmater]

Originally posted by: Darkstar757

Originally posted by: Ilmater
Darkstar757:

First off, I'm white. We'll just make that clear. Of all of my friends in many different cities across America, 4 have been mugged and 1 was "nearly" mugged (the guy asked him for money nicely, he gave him the last $5 in his wallet, the guy cried and said he wanted to rob him but felt bad), and every time it was by a black guy.

In most ways, I don't see myself as racist. I have black friends, and I don't assume black people I meet are going to rob me. However, I'd be lying if I told you that I wouldn't be more nervous around black people in a subway at night than I would around white people. Why? Is it the media? Is it society? No, it's common sense. Blacks make up far less of the population, and commit far more crime per capita than whites.

You know, I bet even you would be more nervous about a group of black kids robbing you than you would about a group of white kids. Honestly, I think you're lying if you tell me differently.

I don't want to offend and I do not see myself as racist, I just want you to know what I - and I believe most of America - is thinking.

I feel bad for you and im sorry that you feel so nervous about being around blacks. Well just know that there are allot of black men out here who are peacful people. In fact many black men are in our service defending our country right now. Many have lost there lives so know that we are all not bad.

I appreciate it, but I think you missed my sentiment. I, like everyone else, will not be threatened by a black man in a nice suit. That's common sense. And I certainly don't feel threatened by black people just because they're black. But if I'm in a parking lot or garage late at night and a group of white punks or even hispanic punks walk by me, I won't be nearly as tense and ready to react as I would be if I were to walk by a group of black punks. Again, it's just based on the propensity that I've perceived for blacks to commit crimes like that. If I hear about a guy that murdered his whole family and then took his own life, I would assume it was a white person unless I hear otherwise (because I know of a few white people that have done this). If I hear about a serial killer - even in a time of post-Beltway Sniper era - I assume they're white. If I hear about a guy who embezzled a bunch of money from a company, I assuem they're white as well. Again, I'm just making assumptions, and since there are obviously far less blacks running major companies, I just make a quick guess. It's all about percentages and common sense to me.

But truly, I don't dislike black people just because they're black. Well, I think you get the point.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Spamela
"Why are Black Men always portrayed as criminals" - it helps shameless white politicians get elected
by scaring white voters.

That's an easy out, but untrue. If you look at the FBI uniform crime reports, you'll see that blacks commit an inordinate amount of crime.

For instance, blacks make up some 12% of the total population, yet commited over 50% of the murders in 2002.

Page 21:
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_02/pdf/2sectiontwo.pdf

This alone shows that there is a HUGE problem within the black community. Screaming racism at the problem will NOT make it go away. In fact, it only seems to be making it worse.

Am I saying there is anything inherently wrong with blacks? No. I do not believe that for a second. It is the culture they have surrounded themselves with. It's self destructive.

 

[Ilmater]

Originally posted by: Darkstar757

Originally posted by: Howard
The only time my house was robbed (with somebody in it, no less) was by a black kid. Who are you to deny us the right to draw our own opinions based on our experience?

Well I could say umm I hate all white men because for some reason all throughout my life ive only been called a n*#&#$ by them. BUT I DONT beause I love humans despite there incumbant flaws. So I refuse to pass general judgements around like that. I feel the only way this place we call earth will get better is to judge people by who they are not what race they are. SO LET IT GO AND STOP being a racist. BTW sorry about your experience with being robbed but know I that no one in my family would ever steal from you.

But again, you're drawing the wrong conclusion. She's not saying she hates all black men because one robbed her house, but if she were robbed again, she'd probably assume that it was a black person. This is especially true, because she probably doesn't know too many other blacks, so she has no contradictory frame of reference.

On the flip side of that coin, I would not be surprised if a black that was constantly the victim of racism and bigoted statements were to assume that all whites he or she meets thought differently of them just because of their color. Fortunately, there are enough white people that DON'T act that way that many blacks would not immediately think that.

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: Darkstar757

Originally posted by: Howard
The only time my house was robbed (with somebody in it, no less) was by a black kid. Who are you to deny us the right to draw our own opinions based on our experience?

Well I could say umm I hate all white men because for some reason all throughout my life ive only been called a n*#&#$ by them. BUT I DONT beause I love humans despite there incumbant flaws. So I refuse to pass general judgements around like that. I feel the only way this place we call earth will get better is to judge people by who they are not what race they are. SO LET IT GO AND STOP being a racist. BTW sorry about your experience with being robbed but know I that no one in my family would ever steal from you.

That's your prerogative, though I never mentioned I hate all black people. I'm just afraid of the ones I don't know.

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: Ilmater

Originally posted by: Darkstar757

Originally posted by: Howard
The only time my house was robbed (with somebody in it, no less) was by a black kid. Who are you to deny us the right to draw our own opinions based on our experience?

Well I could say umm I hate all white men because for some reason all throughout my life ive only been called a n*#&#$ by them. BUT I DONT beause I love humans despite there incumbant flaws. So I refuse to pass general judgements around like that. I feel the only way this place we call earth will get better is to judge people by who they are not what race they are. SO LET IT GO AND STOP being a racist. BTW sorry about your experience with being robbed but know I that no one in my family would ever steal from you.

But again, you're drawing the wrong conclusion. She's not saying she hates all black men because one robbed her house, but if she were robbed again, she'd probably assume that it was a black person. This is especially true, because she probably doesn't know too many other blacks, so she has no contradictory frame of reference.

On the flip side of that coin, I would not be surprised if a black that was constantly the victim of racism and bigoted statements were to assume that all whites he or she meets thought differently of them just because of their color. Fortunately, there are enough white people that DON'T act that way that many blacks would not immediately think that.

Who the fvck is she?

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Howard
Who the fvck is she?

That's what you get for having a female avatar.

It's like dressing in drag in real life. What do you expect people to think?

 

[amcdonald]

I'm prejudiced against people that dress/act/appear shady.
I don't care about race.
That being said, I see a lot more black people trying to give the appearance of being a thug than asians.
Whatever.

 

[Spamela]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Spamela
"Why are Black Men always portrayed as criminals" - it helps shameless white politicians get elected
by scaring white voters.

That's an easy out, but untrue. If you look at the FBI uniform crime reports, you'll see that blacks commit an inordinate amount of crime.

For instance, blacks make up some 12% of the total population, yet commited over 50% of the murders in 2002.

Page 21:
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_02/pdf/2sectiontwo.pdf

This alone shows that there is a HUGE problem within the black community. Screaming racism at the problem will NOT make it go away. In fact, it only seems to be making it worse.

Am I saying there is anything inherently wrong with blacks? No. I do not believe that for a second. It is the culture they have surrounded themselves with. It's self destructive.

maybe you mean poor people are more likely to commit crime.

some politicians use fear as a racist political tool.
THAT doesn't do anything to make any problems go away.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Spamela

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Spamela
"Why are Black Men always portrayed as criminals" - it helps shameless white politicians get elected
by scaring white voters.

That's an easy out, but untrue. If you look at the FBI uniform crime reports, you'll see that blacks commit an inordinate amount of crime.

For instance, blacks make up some 12% of the total population, yet commited over 50% of the murders in 2002.

Page 21:
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_02/pdf/2sectiontwo.pdf

This alone shows that there is a HUGE problem within the black community. Screaming racism at the problem will NOT make it go away. In fact, it only seems to be making it worse.

Am I saying there is anything inherently wrong with blacks? No. I do not believe that for a second. It is the culture they have surrounded themselves with. It's self destructive.

maybe you mean poor people are more likely to commit crime.

some politicians use fear as a racist political tool.
THAT doesn't do anything to make any problems go away.

There are far more poor whites than blacks if you use raw numbers. Yet blacks, making up some 12% of the population commit more than 50% of the murders. Numbers like that cannot be contributed to poverty alone.

And that's another thing. There are too many successful blacks now to claim that poverty within the black community is caused by racism.

So if you attibute crime to poverty, the sentence must not stop there. If poverty is the problem, then it STILL is due in large part to the culture they have created for themselves.

EITHER way, I have NEVER made the claim that these problems are caused by inherent defects in black people. Quite the contrary. It's because of the self depricating culture they have created for themselves.

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Spamela
"Why are Black Men always portrayed as criminals" - it helps shameless white politicians get elected
by scaring white voters.

That's an easy out, but untrue. If you look at the FBI uniform crime reports, you'll see that blacks commit an inordinate amount of crime.

For instance, blacks make up some 12% of the total population, yet commited over 50% of the murders in 2002.

Page 21:
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_02/pdf/2sectiontwo.pdf

This alone shows that there is a HUGE problem within the black community. Screaming racism at the problem will NOT make it go away. In fact, it only seems to be making it worse.

Am I saying there is anything inherently wrong with blacks? No. I do not believe that for a second. It is the culture they have surrounded themselves with. It's self destructive.

Like amused said, when Blacks only make up 12% of the total US pop, BUT prisons are 40% black and they commit more % crime then their population % that says something.

That is not racist, that is just cold hard facts.


I think Bill Cosby was on the right track. Stop screaming racist and the MAN keeping ya down, but learn english, get a education, stop blaming others for YOUR problems, etc...


No one handed me my education, job, etc... I worked at it.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Blacks must address number of out-of-wedlock births

When addressing why African-Americans suffer by comparison with whites based on wealth, education, health, jobs, prison incarceration rates, etc., it's customary to trot out the usual suspects -- institutional racism, the legacy of slavery, poverty and drug-plagued urban environments.

All of those factors are suspects for good reason. In varying degrees, they remain barriers for many, despite the notion among some that we have arrived at a color-blind society.

But it's also time to acknowledge that many of the battles African-Americans wage for quality education, economic opportunity and equality in the criminal justice system are being undermined by the high out-of-wedlock birth rate.

According to to the National Center for Health Statistics, unmarried women accounted for 68 percent of black births in 2002 compared to 43.4 percent for Hispanics and 22.9 percent for whites. In 1965, the out-of-wedlock birth rate for blacks stood at 25 percent.

Root cause analysis time, folks...

Also, something I never considered before, but during the years slavery was legal/practiced, black family units did not exist. Blacks were often bred with no reguard for family. But it's time the black community dealt with this crap.

 

[Darkstar757]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Blacks must address number of out-of-wedlock births

When addressing why African-Americans suffer by comparison with whites based on wealth, education, health, jobs, prison incarceration rates, etc., it's customary to trot out the usual suspects -- institutional racism, the legacy of slavery, poverty and drug-plagued urban environments.

All of those factors are suspects for good reason. In varying degrees, they remain barriers for many, despite the notion among some that we have arrived at a color-blind society.

But it's also time to acknowledge that many of the battles African-Americans wage for quality education, economic opportunity and equality in the criminal justice system are being undermined by the high out-of-wedlock birth rate.

According to to the National Center for Health Statistics, unmarried women accounted for 68 percent of black births in 2002 compared to 43.4 percent for Hispanics and 22.9 percent for whites. In 1965, the out-of-wedlock birth rate for blacks stood at 25 percent.

Root cause analysis time, folks...

Also, something I never considered before, but during the years slavery was legal/practiced, black family units did not exist. Blacks were often bred with no reguard for family. But it's time the black community dealt with this crap.

So true but it will take time because we were enslaved for so long that many do not know how to manage a family. I also agree with Bill Cosby and the fact that hard work is needed and not blaming it all on racism. However I will point out that racism still exsists and still is a huge problem. I just so happens that its not the only nore the biggest problem the black community faces today.

 

[Jack Ryan]

Originally posted by: Darkstar757
Well Im quite upset today. I go to read a number of threads today about people getting robbed. I then proceed to read each post and I come to realize that there are allot of people upset with blacks because they have been robbed by someone black. WELL LET ME SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT for those who seem to have it confused. WHITE MEN ROBB, ASAIN MEN ROB, Native American MEN ROB, Hispanic MEN ROB. Remember all criminals are not blacks! Also I feel bad that so many of you in the SOL CAL area have had such negative experiences with blacks. I for one wish that you could come out east or in the south where there are a great deal of black americans who are hard working family loving and law abiding people.

That is all

:roll:

I guess your against profiling, looking at an arab a couple seconds more before he goes on a plane before grandma.

Quite your whining, I didn't oppress you or your daddy.

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: Darkstar757

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Blacks must address number of out-of-wedlock births

When addressing why African-Americans suffer by comparison with whites based on wealth, education, health, jobs, prison incarceration rates, etc., it's customary to trot out the usual suspects -- institutional racism, the legacy of slavery, poverty and drug-plagued urban environments.

All of those factors are suspects for good reason. In varying degrees, they remain barriers for many, despite the notion among some that we have arrived at a color-blind society.

But it's also time to acknowledge that many of the battles African-Americans wage for quality education, economic opportunity and equality in the criminal justice system are being undermined by the high out-of-wedlock birth rate.

According to to the National Center for Health Statistics, unmarried women accounted for 68 percent of black births in 2002 compared to 43.4 percent for Hispanics and 22.9 percent for whites. In 1965, the out-of-wedlock birth rate for blacks stood at 25 percent.

Root cause analysis time, folks...

Also, something I never considered before, but during the years slavery was legal/practiced, black family units did not exist. Blacks were often bred with no reguard for family. But it's time the black community dealt with this crap.

So true but it will take time because we were enslaved for so long that many do not know how to manage a family.

...

 

[dethman]

check your local jail.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: Darkstar757

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Blacks must address number of out-of-wedlock births

When addressing why African-Americans suffer by comparison with whites based on wealth, education, health, jobs, prison incarceration rates, etc., it's customary to trot out the usual suspects -- institutional racism, the legacy of slavery, poverty and drug-plagued urban environments.

All of those factors are suspects for good reason. In varying degrees, they remain barriers for many, despite the notion among some that we have arrived at a color-blind society.

But it's also time to acknowledge that many of the battles African-Americans wage for quality education, economic opportunity and equality in the criminal justice system are being undermined by the high out-of-wedlock birth rate.

According to to the National Center for Health Statistics, unmarried women accounted for 68 percent of black births in 2002 compared to 43.4 percent for Hispanics and 22.9 percent for whites. In 1965, the out-of-wedlock birth rate for blacks stood at 25 percent.

Root cause analysis time, folks...

Also, something I never considered before, but during the years slavery was legal/practiced, black family units did not exist. Blacks were often bred with no reguard for family. But it's time the black community dealt with this crap.

So true but it will take time because we were enslaved for so long that many do not know how to manage a family. I also agree with Bill Cosby and the fact that hard work is needed and not blaming it all on racism. However I will point out that racism still exsists and still is a huge problem. I just so happens that its not the only nore the biggest problem the black community faces today.

I respectfully disagree, I think racism is dying off & is much less a factor than it's claimed to be. I'm begining to feel that it's a scapegoat claim and an excuse rather than real.

If the crime statistics & other statistics were different, I might agree. I live in Texas & work with many blacks, I don't see racism in action any longer, in fact, I see the opposite. & I see blacks screwing up their own lives & culture.

 

[Kyteland]

Originally posted by: Darkstar757
So true but it will take time because we were enslaved for so long that many do not know how to manage a family. I also agree with Bill Cosby and the fact that hard work is needed and not blaming it all on racism. However I will point out that racism still exsists and still is a huge problem. I just so happens that its not the only nore the biggest problem the black community faces today.

How much time do you need? Perhaps I'm a bit deficient in my black history, but it seems to me that the black family unit was functioning fairly well 30-40 years ago. Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[puffff]

Originally posted by: Darkstar757

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Blacks must address number of out-of-wedlock births

When addressing why African-Americans suffer by comparison with whites based on wealth, education, health, jobs, prison incarceration rates, etc., it's customary to trot out the usual suspects -- institutional racism, the legacy of slavery, poverty and drug-plagued urban environments.

All of those factors are suspects for good reason. In varying degrees, they remain barriers for many, despite the notion among some that we have arrived at a color-blind society.

But it's also time to acknowledge that many of the battles African-Americans wage for quality education, economic opportunity and equality in the criminal justice system are being undermined by the high out-of-wedlock birth rate.

According to to the National Center for Health Statistics, unmarried women accounted for 68 percent of black births in 2002 compared to 43.4 percent for Hispanics and 22.9 percent for whites. In 1965, the out-of-wedlock birth rate for blacks stood at 25 percent.

Root cause analysis time, folks...

Also, something I never considered before, but during the years slavery was legal/practiced, black family units did not exist. Blacks were often bred with no reguard for family. But it's time the black community dealt with this crap.

So true but it will take time because we were enslaved for so long that many do not know how to manage a family.

that was so many generations ago, i dont see the relevance

 

[Kipper]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

I respectfully disagree, I think racism is dying off & is much less a factor than it's claimed to be. I'm begining to feel that it's a scapegoat claim and an excuse rather than real.

If the crime statistics & other statistics were different, I might agree. I live in Texas & work with many blacks, I don't see racism in action any longer, in fact, I see the opposite. & I see blacks screwing up their own lives & culture.

This is a common misperception with people who think that the Civil Rights act put an end to racism. It did not. OVERT racism is less common, but we still have problems with systematic patterns of racism throughout the country - it happens when you call up a mortgage company and get X rate, then fill out the form and check "whatever minority" under the form and all of the sudden, the rate has doubled because of 'higher risk' in that neighborhood or some other reason. We have cases of environmental racism where toxic substances and/or toxic waste dumps are allocated next to lower-income neighborhoods, typically lower-income MINORITY neighborhoods. This sort of less-than-obvious racism is still alive and kicking.

Saying that racism is on its way out is simply a way of not confronting an issue which is more than prevalent in today's world and will probably never die out.

 

[ed21x]

Originally posted by: Darkstar757
Well Im quite upset today. I go to read a number of threads today about people getting robbed. I then proceed to read each post and I come to realize that there are allot of people upset with blacks because they have been robbed by someone black. WELL LET ME SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT for those who seem to have it confused. WHITE MEN ROBB, ASAIN MEN ROB, Native American MEN ROB, Hispanic MEN ROB. Remember all criminals are not blacks! Also I feel bad that so many of you in the SOL CAL area have had such negative experiences with blacks. I for one wish that you could come out east or in the south where there are a great deal of black americans who are hard working family loving and law abiding people.

That is all

:roll:

eh? Asian men don't rob... we're too tiny =P

 

[Kipper]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Spamela
"Why are Black Men always portrayed as criminals" - it helps shameless white politicians get elected
by scaring white voters.

That's an easy out, but untrue. If you look at the FBI uniform crime reports, you'll see that blacks commit an inordinate amount of crime.

For instance, blacks make up some 12% of the total population, yet commited over 50% of the murders in 2002.

Page 21:
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_02/pdf/2sectiontwo.pdf

This alone shows that there is a HUGE problem within the black community. Screaming racism at the problem will NOT make it go away. In fact, it only seems to be making it worse.

Am I saying there is anything inherently wrong with blacks? No. I do not believe that for a second. It is the culture they have surrounded themselves with. It's self destructive.

Like amused said, when Blacks only make up 12% of the total US pop, BUT prisons are 40% black and they commit more % crime then their population % that says something.

That is not racist, that is just cold hard facts.


I think Bill Cosby was on the right track. Stop screaming racist and the MAN keeping ya down, but learn english, get a education, stop blaming others for YOUR problems, etc...


No one handed me my education, job, etc... I worked at it.

Hard to do when you have multiple cases of "white flight." Whenever minorities (especially Black) move into a neighborhood, all of the people with the money move out, gradually, but in a steady stream. I've seen this in action throughout Philadelphia suburbs - because school funding is based on property taxes, the effect is that the worst schools are usually in the poorest neighborhoods, once again populated by minorities. With bad schools, you get increased crime (usually drug-related), loosely structured family units, and all of those other bad things. It is a self-sustaining cycle, unfortunately.

 

[Jack Ryan]

Originally posted by: MadCowDisease

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

I respectfully disagree, I think racism is dying off & is much less a factor than it's claimed to be. I'm begining to feel that it's a scapegoat claim and an excuse rather than real.

If the crime statistics & other statistics were different, I might agree. I live in Texas & work with many blacks, I don't see racism in action any longer, in fact, I see the opposite. & I see blacks screwing up their own lives & culture.

This is a common misperception with people who think that the Civil Rights act put an end to racism. It did not. OVERT racism is less common, but we still have problems with systematic patterns of racism throughout the country - it happens when you call up a mortgage company and get X rate, then fill out the form and check "whatever minority" under the form and all of the sudden, the rate has doubled because of 'higher risk' in that neighborhood or some other reason. We have cases of environmental racism where toxic substances and/or toxic waste dumps are allocated next to lower-income neighborhoods, typically lower-income MINORITY neighborhoods. This sort of less-than-obvious racism is still alive and kicking.

Saying that racism is on its way out is simply a way of not confronting an issue which is more than prevalent in today's world and will probably never die out.

What about affirmative action, going the other way, where for example a white and a minority can have equal qualifications for a job/spot in school/whatever. But the minority will get it so the "quota" is met.

Racism is an excuse. Play the hand your dealt in life.

 

[Darkstar757]

Originally posted by: Kyteland

Originally posted by: Darkstar757
So true but it will take time because we were enslaved for so long that many do not know how to manage a family. I also agree with Bill Cosby and the fact that hard work is needed and not blaming it all on racism. However I will point out that racism still exsists and still is a huge problem. I just so happens that its not the only nore the biggest problem the black community faces today.

How much time do you need? Perhaps I'm a bit deficient in my black history, but it seems to me that the black family unit was functioning fairly well 30-40 years ago. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Right it was before the introduction of CRACK COCAINE. I also know that this drug wasnt dreamed up by some black guy in a closet dreaming of how to get rich.

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: MadCowDisease

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

I respectfully disagree, I think racism is dying off & is much less a factor than it's claimed to be. I'm begining to feel that it's a scapegoat claim and an excuse rather than real.

If the crime statistics & other statistics were different, I might agree. I live in Texas & work with many blacks, I don't see racism in action any longer, in fact, I see the opposite. & I see blacks screwing up their own lives & culture.

This is a common misperception with people who think that the Civil Rights act put an end to racism. It did not. OVERT racism is less common, but we still have problems with systematic patterns of racism throughout the country - it happens when you call up a mortgage company and get X rate, then fill out the form and check "whatever minority" under the form and all of the sudden, the rate has doubled because of 'higher risk' in that neighborhood or some other reason. We have cases of environmental racism where toxic substances and/or toxic waste dumps are allocated next to lower-income neighborhoods, typically lower-income MINORITY neighborhoods. This sort of less-than-obvious racism is still alive and kicking.

Saying that racism is on its way out is simply a way of not confronting an issue which is more than prevalent in today's world and will probably never die out.

do you really think that's racism? seems more likely to me that they choes to put the dumps in those neighborhoods because those areas are not as well represented and are not as vocal, so it just is less grief than if they had put it somewhere else. i mean come on, do you really think the people were like "yea, lets put this toxic crap in a black neighborhood"? its more like "lets just stick it here, since no one will complain".