Xp 32 vs. Xp 64

[Mem]

Originally posted by: Modelworks
How many people that recommend vista over xp x64 have actually run xp x64 for any length of time ?
Or are they doing the same thing they accuse others of doing with vista ?

I have a XP 64 bit CD,hmm I hate to say it but its been replaced by Vista x64 due to being better for my hardware,I can get drivers for ALL my Vista x64 that I can't get for XP 64 bit version.

There's nothing wrong with XP 64 bit from my experience,I even have friends that still use it for gaming,however Vista x64 does everything and more for me,ie is better supported driver wise and more future proof,would I go back to XP 64 bit?.....simple answer is no.

Now if you ask me to decide between XP and XP x64 bit,that's a lot harder.
However with 4GB of ram think I would go XP x64,but then I would say why bother with XP x 64 when you can get Vista x64 😉.

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: Mem

However with 4GB of ram think I would go XP x64,but then I would say why bother with XP x 64 when you can get Vista x64 😉.

Because it doesn't work with my software 😉

 

[bsobel]

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: Mem

However with 4GB of ram think I would go XP x64,but then I would say why bother with XP x 64 when you can get Vista x64 😉.

Because it doesn't work with my software 😉

What software?

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: bsobel

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: Mem

However with 4GB of ram think I would go XP x64,but then I would say why bother with XP x 64 when you can get Vista x64 😉.

Because it doesn't work with my software 😉

What software?

XSI
3dsmax 2008
Maya 2008
Zbrush
Silo2.1

The software will install fine, except for zbrush, which take some work arounds, but then you have glitches different for each application.

If I switch from one application to another from the above, I have to adjust way to many OS settings to make the application work correctly. And even then there are some issues that can't be resolved.

XSI for example can't support python in vista x64.
If I have to go into control panel every time I change applications, why would I use vista ?

Also work requires that I often keep several of the programs running at the same time, that doesn't work because some of the OS adjustments for one program make the other one not work.

It just doesn't work for me right now.
I have vista copies sitting here, but for now I don't need the hassle.
Vista isn't going to make my life easier, but harder, so why use it ?

I also have hardware drivers for dongles that don't support vista, so that would mean I have to upgrade the software or pay for new dongles, averaging 100.00 each x 6.

For now xp works without any issues at all.

 

[bsobel]

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: bsobel

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: Mem

However with 4GB of ram think I would go XP x64,but then I would say why bother with XP x 64 when you can get Vista x64 😉.

Because it doesn't work with my software 😉

What software?

XSI
3dsmax 2008
Maya 2008
Zbrush
Silo2.1

The software will install fine, except for zbrush, which take some work arounds, but then you have glitches different for each application.

If I switch from one application to another from the above, I have to adjust way to many OS settings to make the application work correctly. And even then there are some issues that can't be resolved.

XSI for example can't support python in vista x64.
If I have to go into control panel every time I change applications, why would I use vista ?

Also work requires that I often keep several of the programs running at the same time, that doesn't work because some of the OS adjustments for one program make the other one not work.

It just doesn't work for me right now.
I have vista copies sitting here, but for now I don't need the hassle.
Vista isn't going to make my life easier, but harder, so why use it ?

I also have hardware drivers for dongles that don't support vista, so that would mean I have to upgrade the software or pay for new dongles, averaging 100.00 each x 6.

For now xp works without any issues at all.

All fair points, but bear in mind your a very specialized subset of the market and your applying your experiences to everyone else.

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: bsobel


All fair points, but bear in mind your a very specialized subset of the market and your applying your experiences to everyone else.

And your doing the same thing when you say :

We've run both, we've developed software for both, we've been at Microsoft plugfests for both. XP64 is a nice solild abandonned OS. All the real work is on the Vista side and forward. You've gotten it in your mind its not 'ready', but those of us running it for the last two years know your wrong.

Its not ready for everyone.
It gets tiring to come to this forum and anytime anyone mentions any windows OS but vista, all the zealots pounce on them to just install vista, that will solve all their problems.

Its not the solution for everyone.

 

[Mem]

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: Mem

However with 4GB of ram think I would go XP x64,but then I would say why bother with XP x 64 when you can get Vista x64 😉.

Because it doesn't work with my software 😉

I see your point,however as bsobel meantioned you are using very specialized software,most users including myself don't even use those (even in XP),bottomline specialized software is normally tailored for specific operating systems,there's probably old Win98 specialized software etc that won't work in XP etc......

The real question is does MegaVovaN use any of the software you meantioned?..probably not so is there any real reason for him not to go Vista,apart from a personal choice or decision which obviously he's entitled too.

Its not ready for everyone.
It gets tiring to come to this forum and anytime anyone mentions any windows OS but vista, all the zealots pounce on them to just install vista, that will solve all their problems.

Its not the solution for everyone.

Then watch what you post when you say its slow or bloated,can't have it both ways,also remember XP is not for everyone.

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: Mem

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: Mem

However with 4GB of ram think I would go XP x64,but then I would say why bother with XP x 64 when you can get Vista x64 😉.

Because it doesn't work with my software 😉

The real question is does MegaVovaN use any of the software you meantioned?..probably not so is there any real reason for him not to go Vista,apart from a personal choice or decision which obviously he's entitled too.

yes, because that wasn't even what his original question was.
But people in this forum act like they are MS salesman, telling people to just install vista anytime someone has a question.

 

[bsobel]

And your doing the same thing when you say :

We've run both, we've developed software for both, we've been at Microsoft plugfests for both. XP64 is a nice solild abandonned OS. All the real work is on the Vista side and forward. You've gotten it in your mind its not 'ready', but those of us running it for the last two years know your wrong.

That statement is true, XP64 is abandonned. The real work is happening on Vista and beyond. You might not like it, but thats the mainstream today. You are in a very minor subset of people with very customized software that appear to have a problem (Im taking it at face value you do and its not a update or training issue).

Its not the solution for everyone.

Agreed, but its the best choice for the vast majority of Windows users.

Bill

 

[Mem]

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: Mem

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: Mem

However with 4GB of ram think I would go XP x64,but then I would say why bother with XP x 64 when you can get Vista x64 😉.

Because it doesn't work with my software 😉

The real question is does MegaVovaN use any of the software you meantioned?..probably not so is there any real reason for him not to go Vista,apart from a personal choice or decision which obviously he's entitled too.

yes, because that wasn't even what his original question was.
But people in this forum act like they are MS salesman, telling people to just install vista anytime someone has a question.

Last time I checked they were both Microsoft operating systems,nobody is forcing him to install Vista or even XP,that is up to him,some members here are just giving him alternatives and reasons why,nothing wrong with that.

If you go around posting negative comments about Vista (which you are entitled too)expect feedback from real Vista users like myself...Personally I could not care what OS he uses since I respect his final choice or decision like you should.Having more options for choice of operating system is never a bad thing from members here.

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: bsobel



That statement is true, XP64 is abandonned. The real work is happening on Vista and beyond. You might not like it, but thats the mainstream today. You are in a very minor subset of people with very customized software that appear to have a problem (Im taking it at face value you do and its not a update or training issue).


Bill

In this forum though you don't even consider if its right for the user.
You recommend it, and then if the user has problems with it, you want them to jump through hoops to explain why it doesn't work for them.
Its like you can't imagine there is problems with vista.


I don't have a problem with vista itself.
Just the fact it does not work with my software and that people here recommend it like its the second coming.

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: Mem

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: Mem

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: Mem

However with 4GB of ram think I would go XP x64,but then I would say why bother with XP x 64 when you can get Vista x64 😉.

Because it doesn't work with my software 😉

The real question is does MegaVovaN use any of the software you meantioned?..probably not so is there any real reason for him not to go Vista,apart from a personal choice or decision which obviously he's entitled too.

yes, because that wasn't even what his original question was.
But people in this forum act like they are MS salesman, telling people to just install vista anytime someone has a question.

Last time I checked they were both Microsoft operating systems,nobody is forcing him to install Vista or even XP,that is up to him,some members here are just giving him alternatives and reasons why,nothing wrong with that.

If you go around posting negative comments about Vista (which you are entitled too)expect feedback from real Vista users like myself...Personally I could not care what OS he uses since I respect his final choice or decision like you should.Having more options for choice of operating system is never a bad thing from members here.

I don't go into vista threads and put down vista like the members do here with xp threads.
That to me says a lot about how much people care about who uses what os.

 

[bsobel]

In this forum though you don't even consider if its right for the user.
You recommend it, and then if the user has problems with it, you want them to jump through hoops to explain why it doesn't work for them.
Its like you can't imagine there is problems with vista.

That simply is untrue. Given the choice between XP64 and Vista, Vista is indeed the default choice. Different discussions happen if the user is asking about XP. Like it or not (and obviously you dont) most users are running fine on Vista. It has a much longer runway for upgrades and support than XP at this point. For users upgrading now, its the natural choice. Of course its reommended more than XP, just like XP is recommended more than 2K at this point.

Just the fact it does not work with my software and that people here recommend it like its the second coming.

Second coming? It's a a weak OS released from MS. A reasonable but not great upgrade from XP. However, for most users on current hardware, its a better choice (especially Vista 64) than XP. XP64 is dead, you really need to get over the fact that even tho you like it, very little additional work will be done on it. Most users who want 4gig or more (I run 32 on 8 cores) will find Vista (of the Windows OSs) the best choice for their hardware.

Bill

 

[bsobel]

I don't go into vista threads and put down vista like the members do here with xp threads. That to me says a lot about how much people care about who uses what os.

Well, the OP asked about XP64, which is dead. He needs to be warned of that. If he has custom hardware or software it matters that may factor in. But for new users, there is no reason to be running that abandonned OS over a current one.

 

[Mem]

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: bsobel



That statement is true, XP64 is abandonned. The real work is happening on Vista and beyond. You might not like it, but thats the mainstream today. You are in a very minor subset of people with very customized software that appear to have a problem (Im taking it at face value you do and its not a update or training issue).


Bill

In this forum though you don't even consider if its right for the user.
You recommend it, and then if the user has problems with it, you want them to jump through hoops to explain why it doesn't work for them.
Its like you can't imagine there is problems with vista.


I don't have a problem with vista itself.
Just the fact it does not work with my software and that people here recommend it like its the second coming.

As you have stated you use specialized software so probably in his case is not a factor,otherwise he or most users would check beforehand.XP is on a limited life cycle just like Vista is ,however Vista does have a longer life span,as to the 2nd coming well its the new kid on the block and will be until Windows 7 is here,I remember when Win 95 and XP was the 2nd coming but a lot of users forget that 😉.

I don't go into vista threads and put down vista like the members do here with xp threads.
That to me says a lot about how much people care about who uses what os.

I did say you are entitled too, however bottomline he now has more choices ,the final choice and decision is still his so nothing has changed,remember any user can get problems with ANY OS we are not physic.