XIM APEX - it's out and oh boy does it work

[MrSquished]

Ignoring the ignorant, incorrect and clueless trolling poster and moving on.

I received the XIM Apex, and it does indeed work great. It took about 10 minutes to set up to get working, and about 10 more to make sure all the keys are programmed correctly. The app is very easy to use, and you simply hit a button, say X within the app and then it will say "listening". Hitting a button on the keyboard maps the button from the controller, to the keyboard. I did not find any button that would not work. One nice feature is that you can set a different sensitivity to the general mouse movement, and a different one for when you are zoomed in. Normally lowering the sensitivity is better when at 3x zoom rather than having it faster. I am using an older Razer keyboard, and a budget MSI mouse I got with a motherboard I ordered. Buttons on the mouse worked fine too, I did not encounter any problems with it. Its not too crazy of a mouse, two side thumb buttons, one under the wheel, and the two standard buttons up top. Zero issues. Fine tuning what you want the mouse sensitivity probably took me the longest. Much like a steering wheel for racing, or an arcade stick for a fighting game, this feels far more natural to me. Its not different than another 3rd party controller. I detest playing a FPS with a gamepad, now I don't have to. I have only tried BF1, and Battlefront II so far. Overwatch is next, other people claim it works well too. I have all three of those games on PC and console, it would be very nice if I could either link the accounts, or log into each with the same user/pw. Yet they won't let us. I have contacted EA regarding it after reading online that people have gotten it to work, support claimed it was not possible. I'll try again and see what the next guy says. There is no way to log out of BF1 on the PS4 and try another login, which is annoying. I uninstalled, reinstalled, I was already logged in. When I bought it I tried my PC login details, didn't work. But now I can rejoin the guys from work and play on the PS4 and not feel like I am soaked in molasses trying to control the game. I also have all auto aims off.

I just ordered this and will be here Saturday;

Reviews were great, beating out the Corsair and Razer model by most accounts. I have been wanting a newer Razer mouse for my PC, so Ill just transfer my Razer Mamba TE to the PS4. Thanks to PixelSquish for the heads up on this. I had been waiting for the release, and it slipped my mind.

Dude the new Beta Firmware, EX1, has some new settings which change what the BOOST setting does per config. So there are now 4 settings for BOOST - BOOST 0, BOOST 1, BOOST 2 & BOOST 3.

I tried the BOOST '0' setting in BF1 and it is definitely better, and I thought stock was pretty damn good already. BOOST 3 would be the same as the stock config.

Check it out if you feel like messing around. Make a new config for the game though, as your sensitivity levels will be different with each BOOST level. You can rename each config you make so it would be easy to switch back and forth while testing them out if you so choose.

 

[DooKey]

I just got my Xim Apex today and I'm in love. This is the best thing ever for a PC gamer trying to play on a console. It works perfectly with my XBone X. Highly recommended accessory as far as I'm concerned. Now I'm really enjoying Destiny 2.

 

[MrSquished]

I just got my Xim Apex today and I'm in love. This is the best thing ever for a PC gamer trying to play on a console. It works perfectly with my XBone X. Highly recommended accessory as far as I'm concerned. Now I'm really enjoying Destiny 2.

Awesome! And Destiny 2 isn't even that good with the APEX because D2's look mechanic is wonky. Wait until you play a game like BF or COD or Titanfall or others where it's buttery smooth.

One thing for Destiny 2, when you sprint you look around so much slower than when you are walking. You can create a subconfig that increases the look sensitivity which is tied to the button you use for sprint. It works pretty well. The only issue with that is that when you release the sprint button you are still sprinting for like half a second or a bit more, and your look goes back to super slow. You can alleviate that by tapping the walk back, right or left button as soon as you get out of your sprint to go back to normal look speed.

 

[Ackmed]

Few pics for those interested.

Literally my first game on the PS4, only like a 6 rank. About half way through after I died, I ended up 2nd overall. No I am not the best. Not saying that, with the controller I would be near the bottom. REALLY wish I could log in with my PC account, another reason to detest EA Games. Going through and unlocking my fav guns all over again. Is it as smooth as the PC? No. But its pretty damn close, and much better than a controller. After getting the buttons all setup, it is almost identical to my PC setup. Battlefront II is the same way, as expected. Since its a close game to BF1. It also works flawlessly.

The app is very well setup, and changes work immediately. I really can't express how much better this has made my enjoyment of my PS4.





Pics of the size of the unit I am using to play. I did a fair amount of research, and this one seems to be the best overall. When comparing size, wrist rest, mouse pad, etc. Yeah you can just use some table thingie, but this is pretty sweet. Only has one color, blue. Mouse plugs into the back of it, and then the kb plugs into the Apex. I plan to get a wireless mouse soon, just wanted to make sure everything worked before investing in another mouse. It may not fit in all chairs though as you can see in mine. Putting it just past the arm rest works fine though. I do wish they would make a wireless one... my 15 month old loves wires.

As far as graphics go, I am impressed with the PS4 Pro and LG OLED 65". Setting the TV to game mode, and using my Bose sound bar is pretty nice. Didn't see a HDR notification like I did with Uncharted, maybe with BFV. Compared to my PC with 3440x1440 on my Asus PG348Q, all graphics on high and G-Sync, it is pretty nice too. I still enjoy my PC better, but will for sure play a lot more on my PS4 now. Mainly to play with other people and not get frustrated with the controls. Very annoying when your mind knows what to do but you cant make your hands control the game like you want. For around $100, this is a steal and something I have been looking forward to for years. Tried many things, that just never worked right. This done. It just works.

Dude the new Beta Firmware, EX1, has some new settings which change what the BOOST setting does per config. So there are now 4 settings for BOOST - BOOST 0, BOOST 1, BOOST 2 & BOOST 3.

I tried the BOOST '0' setting in BF1 and it is definitely better, and I thought stock was pretty damn good already. BOOST 3 would be the same as the stock config.

Check it out if you feel like messing around. Make a new config for the game though, as your sensitivity levels will be different with each BOOST level. You can rename each config you make so it would be easy to switch back and forth while testing them out if you so choose.

Just saw this, I will look into it. Thanks!

 

[Ranulf]

I wasn't impressed with the xim4 and destiny2, but like you said, it was the game more than the xim4. That roccat setup looks cool though.

 

[Ackmed]

I never tried the Xim4, all signs point to the Apex as being far superior. You really just plug it up, make a profile, change buttons to whatever you want, and play. For me, it just worked. No tinkering needed.

 

[TheFirstAv3nger]

I just received my Xim Apex the other day. I mostly play overwatch, and so far I'm loving using a mouse (i don't use a kb, I just hold the Xbox controller in my left hand, until I get a nav controller). I'm not gonna say it's as good as playing OW on the PC, but I'm still very impressed.

You will have to fiddle around with the settings to get it just right, and there is a lot of options.
Was going around 30-1 as tracer which I rarely play. I've seen people on the Xim forums post a ballistic curve so you could use linear ramp instead of exponential ramp, which I'm gonna try later today after I pick up my ps nav.

 

[Ackmed]

Fornite and Far Cry 5 both work well. The ONLY issue I have had with any game, and specifically with BF1 and Far Cry 1 is using my movement keys to select something. Such as a spawn point in BF1. You use your analog stick to pick where you want to spawn, A, B, C, team members, etc. Sometimes I cannot pick where I want to spawn. Same goes for Far Cry 5, supposed to use the analog stick on the inventory wheel, can't pick what I want fast enough.

Still, so much more enjoyable for me. Very much worth it.

 

[quikah]

I hope they ban these for MP games. That is just unfair to those stuck with controllers.

 

[repoman0]

I hope they ban these for MP games. That is just unfair to those stuck with controllers.

Careful saying things like that here. Ackmed will go into full steroid rage mode if you remind him he's paying to win.

 

[Ackmed]

Careful saying things like that here. Ackmed will go into full steroid rage mode if you remind him he's paying to win.

Why is it that you think I use steroids? When have I belittled or name called anyone? You lackluster attempt has failed.

He is not "stuck with controllers". He has the ability to use this device as well. We all pay to win, get over it.

 

[repoman0]

When have I belittled or name called anyone?

Let me think hard about that ... oh yeah, the last time someone disagreed with you in this thread:

Ignoring the ignorant, incorrect and clueless trolling poster and moving on.

We all pay to win, get over it.

Thanks for admitting it. I gladly pay for nice peripherals and monitors in the PC world where it's allowed and encouraged in competitive shooters.

 

[Ackmed]

That is not name calling, try again. It was ignorant, and clueless posting. He was doing nothing but spouting ignorance trying to instigate something. I don't beat around the bush, I called him on it. Only thing I called him was a "poster". Don't be jealous and accuse me of steroid usage. While you aren't the first, it still sad. TV and peripherals are allowed and encouraged on the console too. Unless you think everyone plays on a 32" SD TV? No, didn't think so.

What do you think of this?

Or this?

Or do you not think that these are allowed and encouraged? Since it is not the standard controller that is shipped with the game, and an alternate way of controlling the game, surly according to you it is wrong?

Or extended triggers?

Or extended analog sticks?

Or a 3rd party controller that allows you to change many things?

6 extra remappable bumpers and triggers, trigger stops for rapid fire, and so much more.

These are only a few of the "controller" enhancements that are available. Where do you stand on each of these? Feel free to actually answer my questions and not just avoid them. If you have a problem with keyboard and mouse, then you should have a problem with each and everyone of those options. As I said, we all pay to play. Even you. Obviously they are allowed and encouraged. Not to mention the many other areas where people pay more to have a better gaming experience, and help themselves to play better. TV's, internet speeds, headphones, etc. I pay on both the console and PC to have the game more enjoyable to me and to be better at it. I buy many games on both. You trying to sound high and mighty is just not working, you're being hypocritical.

 

[repoman0]

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First of all, why exactly should I be jealous of you? lol. Like you're the only fitness obsessed person on these forums

I don't care what peripherals anyone uses until it starts to screw up competitive games. Keep all of that stuff in single player and have fun with it. And you're being purposefully dense by linking extended analog sticks and triggers as if that actually provides a competitive advantage beyond potential small comfort improvement.

Anyway. Here's what Blizzard devs have to say about these in Overwatch:

The Overwatch team objects to the use of mouse and keyboard on console.

We have contacted both first-party console manufacturers and expressed our concern about the use of mouse and keyboard and input conversion devices.

We have lobbied and will continue to lobby for first-party console manufacturers to either:

Disallow mouse and keyboard and input conversion devices

OR

Openly and easily support mouse and keyboard for ALL players

I encourage you to reach out to the hardware manufacturers and express your concerns (but please do so in a productive and respectful way).

There you have it, not allowed or encouraged. Other dev teams may feel differently, and should be allowed to encourage or discourage as they please. But here we have an example of one of the more popular and important competitive games actively discouraging use of this device because it messes up competitive play, so please don't pretend that people who call it cheating are being unreasonable or trolling.

 

[Ackmed]

First of all, why exactly should I be jealous of you? lol. Like you're the only fitness obsessed person on these forums

I don't care what peripherals anyone uses until it starts to screw up competitive games. Keep all of that stuff in single player and have fun with it. And you're being purposefully dense by linking extended analog sticks and triggers as if that actually provides a competitive advantage beyond potential small comfort improvement.

Anyway. Here's what Blizzard devs have to say about these in Overwatch:



There you have it, not allowed or encouraged. Other dev teams may feel differently, and should be allowed to encourage or discourage as they please. But here we have an example of one of the more popular and important competitive games actively discouraging use of this device because it messes up competitive play, so please don't pretend that people who call it cheating are being unreasonable or trolling.

I am not fitness obsessed. Just funny how you tried to insult me that way.

Obviously you do care. I showed several that can "mess up competitive games". Funny how you ignore the other controllers. Steering wheels, arcade sticks, 3rd party gamepad that does FAR more than the standard one. So what is your stance on that? Where is the outrage? People are using it, it does help some people. Triggers and extended analog sticks can help some people, or else they wouldn't make it.

Sony allows it, fyi. One game does not speak for all. Everyone can use it, so its not unfair. It is unreachable when very, very, very few people have the exact same setup to play online. Different controllers, TV's, audio devices, etc all come into play. So as I said, everyone "pays to win". It is nothing but hypocritical to complain about using this, and not the virtually unlimited other devices used to control a game, or otherwise impact it. But hey, just admit you're a hypocrite and move on about it. If you don't have a problem with every other single piece of additional hardware, then that is what you are. So, what is your stance on everything else? Should people be allowed to use a steering wheel, arcade stick, or other 3rd party controller (gamepad)? If your answer is that people should use nothing but the standard setup, then almost everyone "cheats".

 

[purbeast0]

You have absolutely no clue WTF you are talking about with joysticks for fighting games so just stop trying to compare them. It's not even close to the same thing. It's literally nothing other than personal comfort and preference, nothing more. I'd even argue that all things equal a pad is more advantageous because you have to physically move so much less compared to a joystick. It's painful reading how wrong you are in that regards so I just wanted to point it out so you could stop looking so ignorant.

 

[Ackmed]

You have absolutely no clue WTF you are talking about with joysticks for fighting games so just stop trying to compare them. It's not even close to the same thing. It's literally nothing other than personal comfort and preference, nothing more. I'd even argue that all things equal a pad is more advantageous because you have to physically move so much less compared to a joystick. It's painful reading how wrong you are in that regards so I just wanted to point it out so you could stop looking so ignorant.

It is exactly the same thing. A steering wheel allows for greater control in turning. It is much easier to turn a little, than with an analog stick. Arcade sticks are easier for fighting games, allows for greater control. Claiming one third party accessory invalid when dealing with controls, and not others is hypocrisy. Not surprising, you are being hypocritical like usual. But hey, at least you didn't resort to name calling and insults, which is a big step up for you. I'm honestly surprised. Thanks for that.

This is not my thread, I am not going to go back and forth about this. I will update if I play a new game and have issues or success with it.

 

[purbeast0]

It is exactly the same thing. A steering wheel allows for greater control in turning. It is much easier to turn a little, than with an analog stick. Arcade sticks are easier for fighting games, allows for greater control. Claiming one third party accessory invalid when dealing with controls, and not others is hypocrisy. Not surprising, you are being hypocritical like usual. But hey, at least you didn't resort to name calling and insults, which is a big step up for you. I'm honestly surprised. Thanks for that.

This is not my thread, I am not going to go back and forth about this. I will update if I play a new game and have issues or success with it.

Nope, you're still wrong.

Steering wheels are still analog just like the analog stick. It makes sense when your range of motion on a wheel is way longer than the analog stick, that it allows for more control on turning. Joysticks are digital just like the pads. You are either pressing a direction or you aren't. There is no "in between" like you are talking about with steering wheels compared to analog sticks.

It's 100% preference in fighting games, and it's a huge reason the majority of the new blood in the scene who weren't even alive when arcades were around are dominating with pads. The majority of people who use fight sticks are OG people in the scene because they grew up playing fighters in arcades and are used to that.

There's even a thing called a hitbox in the fighting game scene that doesn't even have a joystick on it. It's just buttons. Even those are allowed in tournaments but it's been a subject of debate for quite some time.

So yea, just stop talking about things you have no clue about so you don't look like such a fool.

 

[repoman0]

I am not fitness obsessed. Just funny how you tried to insult me that way.

Obviously you do care. I showed several that can "mess up competitive games". Funny how you ignore the other controllers. Steering wheels, arcade sticks, 3rd party gamepad that does FAR more than the standard one. So what is your stance on that? Where is the outrage? People are using it, it does help some people. Triggers and extended analog sticks can help some people, or else they wouldn't make it.

Sony allows it, fyi. One game does not speak for all. Everyone can use it, so its not unfair. It is unreachable when very, very, very few people have the exact same setup to play online. Different controllers, TV's, audio devices, etc all come into play. So as I said, everyone "pays to win". It is nothing but hypocritical to complain about using this, and not the virtually unlimited other devices used to control a game, or otherwise impact it. But hey, just admit you're a hypocrite and move on about it. If you don't have a problem with every other single piece of additional hardware, then that is what you are. So, what is your stance on everything else? Should people be allowed to use a steering wheel, arcade stick, or other 3rd party controller (gamepad)? If your answer is that people should use nothing but the standard setup, then almost everyone "cheats".

You're embarrassing yourself at this point. I don't even think you understand what the word hypocrite means. I don't care about steering wheels, arcade sticks or third party controllers because the discussion is about mice and keyboards on console and because competitive shooters are what I know, not racing or fighting games. Not having an opinion on this other random crap you brought up does not make me a hypocrite, so I suggest learning how to use the word before throwing it out there again.

 

[Kaido]

Been replaying Portal & Portal 2, but on an Xbox One instead of PC. I am terrrrrrrrrible at using the gamepad for FPS lol. Time to save up for a XIM!

 

[MrSquished]

Been replaying Portal & Portal 2, but on an Xbox One instead of PC. I am terrrrrrrrrible at using the gamepad for FPS lol. Time to save up for a XIM!

I miss portal! I wish portal 2 was available on the PS4 so I could co-op with my fiancee but alas it is not. And at this rate it's never getting ported. ARGH!@$#

 

[WhiteNoise]

I own the XIM4 and IMO it is a must have on consoles. It works great. This new one looks killer but at $99 I think I will wait for a price drop or used one.


I actually bought this so I can play FPS titles on the PS4 and specifically Overwatch. I don't much care if people think it is unfair. Makes playing the game much easier for me as I suck with a pad.

I still get my ass handed to me though. lol

 

[Ackmed]

Standing by it this time, not responding to trolls or ignorant posters anymore.

Plants vs Zombies works great. This was an under the radar game I believe, its fun as hell. I got the first to play with my oldest son, and we both got the second. You should turn off the chat though, its little kids screaming the entire time. Its just a good, fun game to play. Different from most shooters. Playing co-op is fun too. Zero issues with this game.