XFX Bilking the masses - replacing GDDR5 memory with DDR3

[toyota]

and that's where we differ but i respect your line of thought, do the same please.

Both are not on AMD's page, both were designed by a partner, both are different than the official launch cards, both didn't make Anand's review , both different amount of memory, one wastes more power than the other.

Why did you found it was necessary to point out that every card is on Nvidia's page??? That's where my argument comes from.

a 6870x2 does NOT diminish anything and only adds another good card option. just coming out of the blue and making a gimped gddr3 version of a card that is slower is different. part of the 6670 name is based on how it performs and if you look at anything official all of it will be gddr5. yes its the customers job to research but it can be misleading or confusing.


look at WHY I was talking about what on the nvidia site. people kept giving examples of nvidia having various products when that is irrelevant since its no mystery because they are basically all listed right there on the site. for example its no surprise that the gt240 has gddr3 and gddr5 options.

 

[tigersty1e]

Would everyone be ok with XFX suddenly releasing 6970's with GDDR3?
Or 6950's? Or 6870's or 6850's? From the ridiculous arguments appearing in this thread about how it's "just fine" that this happens, I guess it would be "just fine"?
Or would you want those particular cards renamed to reflect the performance reduction in each case? (SE or XL or whatever)
Plainly, I don't care who does this. XFX, eVGA, Palit, Sapphire, WHOEVER. Nvidia or AMD, this should not be allowed. It is deceptive to the unknowing customer and this is exactly how to take advantage of them.
I'm sitting here scratching my head wondering where the heck all these totally insane excuses are coming from. I'm blown away.

AMD has guidelines for each partner about how to use each gpu. That is why there are no 6900 cards with gddr3 memory. You also didn't see 4870 cards with gddr3 mem. Late in the cycle, you did see a 4850 with gddr5 mem.

But for a 6670? Of course, releasing a gddr3 mem model makes sense. Most importantly, these cards are released under a new SKU.

 

[toyota]

Thanks. Looking at the list, the memory specs on the Geforce 210 series says "64-bit 512MB or 1GB DDR2" RAM. Looking at Newegg, the cheapest 210s say 32-bit, not 64. There's also 128-bit, as well as DDR3 versions which are not listed on Nvidia's site either.

Why aren't these non-64 bit versions of the 210 mentioned on Nvidia's site? Clearly this is Nvidia being deceitful to their consumers. We need to create a sticky post warning the AT forumbase about these scammy business practices. Nevermind the fact that they clearly identify the differences in the title, without official citation it's just wrong.

... In other words, it's business as usual for both companies in the low end market segment. Can we close this thread now?

probably some of those are just misprints and that happens for any product. for example the diamond 128bit 6450 is in fact 64bit like all the rest as verified by a user that has the card.

 

[Gikaseixas]

a 6870x2 does NOT diminish anything and only adds another good card option. just coming out of the blue and making a gimped gddr3 version of a card that is slower is different. part of the 6670 name is based on how it performs and if you look at anything official all of it will be gddr5. yes its the customers job to research but it can be misleading or confusing.


look at WHY I was talking about what on the nvidia site. people kept giving examples of nvidia having various products when that is irrelevant since its no mystery because they are basically all listed right there on the site. for example its no surprise that the gt240 has gddr3 and gddr5 options.

Toyota, let's try one last time.

My point is not that 6870 X2 diminishes or adds. My point is that it's a similar scenario where neither card (6870 X2 or 6670 DDR3) are on AMD's page. Got it???

On Newegg you can find both the 6670 DDR3 and 6670 DDR5. The one with DDR3 costs less. How is that bad? It's another SKU, it's a slower model. What's wrong with that? It was designed by XFX to appeal to people who wants to spend around $80.

 

[Gikaseixas]

just coming out of the blue and making a gimped gddr3 version

who made the card? XFX correct?

so why mention AMD official page official card list?? Do you have anything against AMD?

Again, did Newegg specs say DDR5 and shipped DDR3 to thye customer? Or did they clearly stated that he was purchasing a DDR3 card? How is anybody misleading the OP here? A guy that researched Wiki, thinks he can open up his PC and actually upgrade his Card but does not know the difference between those cards? This thread should be about assisting him and others in making an educated purchase next time, not about AMD / XFX ripping off masses... hehehehe OMG

 

[toyota]

Toyota, let's try one last time.

My point is not that 6870 X2 diminishes or adds. My point is that it's a similar scenario where neither card (6870 X2 or 6670 DDR3) are on AMD's page. Got it???

On Newegg you can find both the 6670 DDR3 and 6670 DDR5. The one with DDR3 costs less. How is that bad? It's another SKU, it's a slower model. What's wrong with that? It was designed by XFX to appeal to people who wants to spend around $80.

yes they are both examples of unofficial cards but other than that it is NOT the same scenario and I think you know that. and AGAIN it is a bit confusing or misleading for just a couple of card makers to come with their own special gimped product. yes I agree the price reflects this and it is up to the customer to figure out the difference.

 

[Gikaseixas]

yes they are both examples of unofficial cards.... yes I agree the price reflects this and it is up to the customer to figure out the difference.

I rest my case, thx for the debate

 

[bryanW1995]

probably some of those are just misprints and that happens for any product. for example the diamond 128bit 6450 is in fact 64bit like all the rest as verified by a user that has the card.

That doesn't make sense. Why would it be a "mistake" or "misprint" if nvidia board partners do it, but it's somehow consumer unfriendly or dishonest if amd board partners do it?

 

[toyota]

That doesn't make sense. Why would it be a "mistake" or "misprint" if nvidia board partners do it, but it's somehow consumer unfriendly or dishonest if amd board partners do it?

what are you talking about? mistake or misprint refers to ANY card card not just Nvidia. how in the heck did you take that out of context in the first place? I clearly gave an example right there of the 128bit 6450 we had been talking about earlier being a misprint/mistake.

 

[Red Storm]

what are you talking about? mistake or misprint refers to ANY card card not just Nvidia. how in the heck did you take that out of context in the first place? I clearly gave an example right there of the 128bit 6450 we had been talking about earlier being a misprint/mistake.

Yeah I'm not sure how that got turned into a Nvidia vs. AMD thing. But, there are currently three 32-bit and five 128-bit versions of the 210 on Newegg, while Nvidia only lists the 64-bit version on their site. Are you saying they are all misprints? Even if one or two of them are, my point still stands. Both sides are "guilty" of this offense, and have been so for many years. It doesn't matter, not one bit. This thread has gone no where and should be closed IMHO.

 

[toyota]

Yeah I'm not sure how that got turned into a Nvidia vs. AMD thing. But, there are currently three 32-bit and five 128-bit versions of the 210 on Newegg, while Nvidia only lists the 64-bit version on their site. Are you saying they are all misprints? Even if one or two of them are, my point still stands. Both sides are "guilty" of this offense, and have been so for many years. This thread has gone no where and should be closed IMHO.

yeah newegg and card manufactures screw that up all the time. like I said earlier my 4670 was listed as 256bit and newegg said that was what ASUS told them. in fact there was at least one other 4670 that was listed as 256bit also. they finally all got corrected after many emails and phone calls. the person you usually end up asking for clarification from does not know a hard drive from a motherboard.

 

[Ratman6161]

unless someone can point me to a review of a 32 bit card then I still think its just mistakes on either neweggs or the manufacturer site. and you can surely bet that 128 bit 6450 is a misprint. when I bought my 4670, it took me 2 weeks to convince ASUS and newegg that is was not 256bit like they had it listed.

This a completely different issue. If the vendor says it is 256 bit and it is not, then they owe you a refund. But if they say it is DDR3 and that is exactly what they provide - you may not like it but you have to admit that is a completely different issue.

 

[Vic Vega]

THERE'S NO FREE LUNCH. IT COSTS LESS ON PURPOSE. YOU'RE GETTING LESS.

 

[toyota]

This a completely different issue. If the vendor says it is 256 bit and it is not, then they owe you a refund. But if they say it is DDR3 and that is exactly what they provide - you may not like it but you have to admit that is a completely different issue.

why are you taking that reply out of context? of course its a different issue.

 

[happy medium]

Yeah I'm not sure how that got turned into a Nvidia vs. AMD thing.

Easy answer , instead of just saying," this is wrong, and should not be happening", it turned into a defend AMD because Nvidia does it also thread.
way off topic...but....

back on topic....
At least Intel got it right, they changed the 2100 cpu with a 2000 series gpu to a 2105 cpu because it now has a 3000 series gpu. See how easy that was.
AMD and Nvidia should take notice!

 

[Gikaseixas]

when people start to say that this is misleading, a rip off, deceiving, unfair practice because it wasn't included on launch day reviews it implies AMD is to blame because launch day is an official event for AMD, not their partners.

That's when i decided to get in here and make my point. You and several others tried to blame AMD so don't play saint cuz you're not. We all know what your real goal is here.

 

[toyota]

when people start to say that this is misleading, a rip off, deceiving, unfair practice because it wasn't included on launch day reviews it implies AMD is to blame because launch day is an official event for AMD, not their partners.

That's when i decided to get in here and make my point. You and several others tried to blame AMD so don't play saint cuz you're not. We all know what your real goal is here.

are you referring to me? if so then you need to look at the very first thing I said in this thread. I was talking about card companies as in XFX making their own gimped products.

 

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[Pantalaimon]

are you referring to me? if so then you need to look at the very first thing I said in this thread. I was talking about card companies as in XFX making their own gimped products.

If these lower specs are clearly described in the product description, and the product is cheaper than the normal product with the higher specs, then what exactly is the problem?

 

[frostedflakes]

Tempting offer.

 

[toyota]

If these lower specs are clearly described in the product description, and the product is cheaper than the normal product with the higher specs, then what exactly is the problem?

I am not repeating what has been said over and over for 13 pages. but again I do agree that if it is priced lower and has a clear description then it is not too much of an issue. the customer just needs to pay attention and do a little research.

 

[Termie]

I am not repeating what has been said over and over for 13 pages. but again I do agree that if it is priced lower and has a clear description then it is not too much of an issue. the customer just needs to pay attention and do a little research.

The irony is that right now, the XFX HD6770 GDDR5 version is cheaper after rebate/shipping than the DDR3 version.

Just to complicate matters, because we don't have benches of the HD6770 DDR3, we really don't know how much slower it is. And that's the rub. You can't make an educated decision. My bet is that it's much slower than the HD5670 GDDR5, which can be had for $65AR at Newegg: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...CE&PageSize=20.

...or $52AR at Superbiiz with their regular 10% off code: http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php...12MB-DDR5-VGA-DVI-HDMI-PCI-Express-Video-Card

 

[SirPauly]

If these lower specs are clearly described in the product description, and the product is cheaper than the normal product with the higher specs, then what exactly is the problem?

Because the product sku has the same name with a huge distinction in bandwith. How is this not a problem; at least to a small degree?

You're asking consumers to simply know the difference off the top-of-their-heads, the difference between GDDR-3 and GDDR-5 and the band-with differences, which the band-with is not clearly marked or offered. The differences in band-with are very stark.

I don't think this is a huge issue and a bit disingenuous but to simply wave it off like there is nothing wrong at all is alarming to.

 

[Gikaseixas]

are you referring to me? if so then you need to look at the very first thing I said in this thread. I was talking about card companies as in XFX making their own gimped products.

No man, not directed to you at all.

 

[SlowSpyder]

a 6870x2 does NOT diminish anything and only adds another good card option. just coming out of the blue and making a gimped gddr3 version of a card that is slower is different. part of the 6670 name is based on how it performs and if you look at anything official all of it will be gddr5. yes its the customers job to research but it can be misleading or confusing.


look at WHY I was talking about what on the nvidia site. people kept giving examples of nvidia having various products when that is irrelevant since its no mystery because they are basically all listed right there on the site. for example its no surprise that the gt240 has gddr3 and gddr5 options.

I think the example provided by Gikaseixas is perfect. Or again I'll ask about my VaporX 5870's. The coolers don't exhaust the hot air out of the case, I cannot adjust voltages on my GPU's, and the clocks are different than reference clocks. Is Sapphire trying to pull a fast one on us consumers? I don't think that's the case, nor do I think XFX was trying to do so in this situation.

http://www.nvidia.com/object/geforce_family.html

How about the 9800 Green edition? I don't see it on that list. That's a card with lower clocks that will get lower performance, it doesn't have the extra power connector so it may not even be able to overclock to the higher performance levels of a reference 9800 card. Are Nvidia's board partners or Nvidia itself trying to pull a fast one? Or does it matter that Green is listed clearly in the title in this situation but not XFX's situation?

The OP has even said that the mistake was his own. This is not XFX or AMD trying to deceive.