XFX 6800GS AGP

[Govassa]

Hi, I am new here, and also new regarding clocking video cards. But after being reading here I thought I should give it a go.(sorry my bad English, from Norway you see).

I have the new XFX 6800 GS AGP card, and successfully managed too open four more pipes and the Shader with a help of a guide. I cant see any strange when running 3Dmark.

Then I started overclocking the GPU, from 350 too 450, just as I have been reading others with this card has done. I also raised the ram a bit.

The strange thing is; nothing strange in 3Dmark, but the score gets lower than before? Whats happening? This was done with riverTuner. I have installed the lastest drivers from XFX.

And last question; after overclocking do you always have it stayed overclocked, or only when playing a game?

Thanks for all help

Andre

 

[otispunkmeyer]

score gets lower?

hmmm maybes your pushing it too far, try just overclocking to 400 first. (or alternatively use coolbits http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=815) this little tweak will open up some hidden features for you in the nvidia control panel, including an overclocking feature. if you press detect optimal settings it will find roughly what your card is capable of.

by running at 450 it could be that the 4 pipes you opened just cant handle that speed, afterall they were closed off for a reason......sometimes closed pipes are fine, but theres always a chance of getting a chip with 4 not quite right pipes.

 

[Inappropriate4AT]

Yeah, an overclock that's too high can sometimes degrade performance even though visually there doesn't appear to be anything wrong. I'd start by taking otis suggestion and lower the core clock to about 425 or 400 and running it again. That's still 6800 Ultra performance.

Also has your memory been overclocked, or just the core? That could be the problem as well. And don't rely 100% on 3dmark, your score may be lower and/or fluctuate, but framerates in games may actually improve, double check to be sure.

And lastly, find your maximum stable overclock with 16 pipes, then revert it back to 12 pipes and see how high you can get the core. You might be able to get the core to 450 or even beyond with 12 pipes open, and then compare performance to see which setup is actually the fastest.

 

[zagood]

You don't have to leave your overclock applied. One of the nice things though is that you can set different timings in RivaTuner for 2d and 3d. My 6800NU is stock 325 core, set at 300 for 2d and 375 for 3d.

Memory stays the same for both.

-z

 

[Govassa]

First off all; thank you all for your help, I rely appreciate it.

I have tried some other settings now, also downloaded coolbits and used it for the core/ram. Riva Tuner for the pipes. Before each test I shut down the virus and firewall program(don?t know if that is n.). After each test I restart the pc. The AA is of, and the card is set too high performance. I can not see any strange visual in 3dmark, at any settings. Same in a game. The temperature is 38 after every test(guess that?s not so bad). The driver is the latest ones.

My findings are that the ?detect optimal settings? wasn?t so bad, it lowered the mhz on the core(360mgz), but the result in 3Dmark03 wasn?t bad compared to my manual setting(8352 vs. 8663)

I did a google search and red that the score can get lower even though you clocked the video card and without seeing any visually bugs.

I did revert the pipes back, tried the optimal setting, but no good. The core stops at 450 and the ram only 1.01?

I get the best score in 3dmark03/05 with four extra pies and 1 shader, the core set too 410mhz and ram untouched(I can post all the results, meaning the score of 6 different settings..?).

3DMark03 Stock: 7711
3DMark05: Stock: 2581
Opend pipes/shader, 410mhz/ram untouched:
3DMark03: 8663
3DMark05: 2812

Well, this is not something to brag about/my brother gets 13000 with is pc in 3dmark03. But the idea was too keep my old AGP system for some more time, and the first video card got 3200 in 3dmark03 ? so it is off cores much better now. But I am a little disappointed when reading others score with this card? On the other hand, even I understand that my cpu sucks big time(AMD Athlon 64 Processor 3000+ )

My question is this; I have red in other thread here in this forum about people that easily can overclock this card, even the ram ? but I cant. I understand that pipes can be ruined, but I didn?t thought there would bee any different between these card when it comes too the core/ram? I get the same result when the pipes are turned off again. And another thing; way can you overclock more in Riva tuner than in coolbits.

Again; sorry my bad English

Andre

 

[CKXP]

Originally posted by: Govassa
First off all; thank you all for your help, I rely appreciate it.

I have tried some other settings now, also downloaded coolbits and used it for the core/ram. Riva Tuner for the pipes. Before each test I shut down the virus and firewall program(don?t know if that is n.). After each test I restart the pc. The AA is of, and the card is set too high performance. I can not see any strange visual in 3dmark, at any settings. Same in a game. The temperature is 38 after every test(guess that?s not so bad). The driver is the latest ones.

My findings are that the ?detect optimal settings? wasn?t so bad, it lowered the mhz on the core(360mgz), but the result in 3Dmark03 wasn?t bad compared to my manual setting(8352 vs. 8663)

I did a google search and red that the score can get lower even though you clocked the video card and without seeing any visually bugs.

I did revert the pipes back, tried the optimal setting, but no good. The core stops at 450 and the ram only 1.01?

I get the best score in 3dmark03/05 with four extra pies and 1 shader, the core set too 410mhz and ram untouched(I can post all the results, meaning the score of 6 different settings..?).

3DMark03 Stock: 7711
3DMark05: Stock: 2581
Opend pipes/shader, 410mhz/ram untouched:
3DMark03: 8663
3DMark05: 2812

Well, this is not something to brag about/my brother gets 13000 with is pc in 3dmark03. But the idea was too keep my old AGP system for some more time, and the first video card got 3200 in 3dmark03 ? so it is off cores much better now. But I am a little disappointed when reading others score with this card? On the other hand, even I understand that my cpu sucks big time(AMD Athlon 64 Processor 3000+ )

My question is this; I have red in other thread here in this forum about people that easily can overclock this card, even the ram ? but I cant. I understand that pipes can be ruined, but I didn?t thought there would bee any different between these card when it comes too the core/ram? I get the same result when the pipes are turned off again. And another thing; way can you overclock more in Riva tuner than in coolbits.

Again; sorry my bad English

Andre

your scores are low for that card. also i see that you have aa/af off, and it's set to high performance in the NV control panel, but what about you're Vsnyc... is it off? and have you tried ocing your CPU, and your A64 3000 "doesn't suck big time". and as zagood metioned if your're using rivatuner, make sure which mode you set your overclock to. there should be 3 options in rivatuner 2D,3D, and 3D high performance(i think)..make you sure your OC is applied to 3D high performance.

btw; what kind of PSU do you have?

 

[Govassa]

Tanks

I had not turned of the Vsnyc. Did that now and tested again with 3dmark03, but not much different. I understand that my scores are bad, others are reporting 11000 with the same card(!?!). Don?t understand it.
In River Tuner it is set too 3D high(=OC).

The PSU, - to bee honest, I don?t know(don?t throw things at me please). But I don?t understand way that is relevant(how much Watt). As a friend told me; when the pc stares, all components are starting at the same time. If the PSU is too small, the pc wont start/shuts off. Meaning, my PSU must be good enough for this new card. And in a other post one told that he used 250W, and it all worked great.

My older video card had no power supplie connection ? it got all it needed from the AGP connection. 6800GS AGP has its own power supplie connection ? can I find out how much is needed for this? Can you take the ?first and best? free connection from the PSU that fits and use it?


Thanks again

Andre

 

[russki]

your scores are real low, you should be getting at least 2 times the performance in 3dmark 2005, make sure your motherboard drivers are installed.

 

[Wentelteefje]

Originally posted by: Govassa
Tanks

I had not turned of the Vsnyc. Did that now and tested again with 3dmark03, but not much different. I understand that my scores are bad, others are reporting 11000 with the same card(!?!). Don?t understand it.
In River Tuner it is set too 3D high(=OC).

The PSU, - to bee honest, I don?t know(don?t throw things at me please). But I don?t understand way that is relevant(how much Watt). As a friend told me; when the pc stares, all components are starting at the same time. If the PSU is too small, the pc wont start/shuts off. Meaning, my PSU must be good enough for this new card. And in a other post one told that he used 250W, and it all worked great.

My older video card had no power supplie connection ? it got all it needed from the AGP connection. 6800GS AGP has its own power supplie connection ? can I find out how much is needed for this? Can you take the ?first and best? free connection from the PSU that fits and use it?


Thanks again

Andre

That's not completely true... It is perfectly possible that your computer can start up, but when it's put under heavy load, it can freeze or shutdown, because of not enough power... Just open your computer case and tell us the brand and model number... It should be easily visible...

EDIT: Best would be to take the molex connector of a wire that doesn't have anything else plugged in...

 

[Govassa]

MSI is telling me that I have the latest version for the main board... Dam, way should computers never work like they are supposed too - right away :-( I think I should remove the drives and try again...

 

[Govassa]

I opened the computer case; the name of the computer?s power supply is ?Model No. IW-P300A3-1?. It stand Max out power 300W ? shouldn?t that bee enough for the 6800Gs(others are using 250 for theres 6800GS AGP).

I googled it and found; ?The PSU is a In-Win/Powerman 300Watt with the model number: IW-P300A3-1 (It came with my case, the In-Win X710). These are the specs it runs in average: Vcore: 1.55V, 3.3V: 3.23V, +5.0V: 5.22V, +12.0V: 12.21V, -12.0V: -11.77V, +5V SB: 4.96V.?
And second http://www.clickonit.com/Computer_Cases/Power_Supplies/221984.php

Mine also came with the case, so I rely don?t know much about it, but it?s the same number.

And a question regarding the PSU; there is several wires/power connecters coming from it. They are marked differently, as ?PF?, ?P2?, ?PG?, ?PA?: what is the different between them? Can I use all for the video card, or is the volt different?

My first AGP video card (FX 5700) didn?t needed to be conneceted to a power connector, it got all it needed from the AGP slot(it is AGP x8). Why is it different now with 6800GS AGP.

Hope you can help me out here!

Thanks

Andre(witch still writes bad English)

 

[Govassa]

hmm, I tried to play call of duty 2, to much lag to play it.. And I did play that with the FX5700... somthing is wrong here...

 

[CKXP]

your 6800gs requires more power than your fx5700 that's the reason for the power connector, also COD2 will kill just about any card, especially with the settings turned up. your 300w PSU might not be providing enough juice for your 6800gs, AFAIK 350w is the required minimum. also it's your amperage that i wonder about on your PSU for the 12v rail, and i couldn't find any info on it so i'm not sure. plus when you reinstall your drivers you should use drivercleaner to make sure your old driver a completly erased so that they won't conflict with your new drivers.

 

[Govassa]

Thanks for helping me here!

The setting in COD2 is the same now as when I had FX 5700 installed(?). Makes no sense to me; better scores in 3Dmark but lower in games? understand them how can..

Well, the plan now is to buy a new power supply(see what you have got me to do!), and I will buy a good one ? so I can have it for years. So, any tip for a silent and cool 500w, that is not the most expensive one?

But before that I will remove all drivers via drivercleaner as you suggested(I have image backup, so if it goes to hell I can easily go back, no prob).


Andre

 

[Wolfshanze]

Try to get a 500w PSU from any of these manufacturers... just go with a price you like, as all of the below manufacturers are well respected:

Fortran, PC Power & Cooling, Antec, Enermax.

 

[Wentelteefje]

Originally posted by: Wolfshanze
Try to get a 500w PSU from any of these manufacturers... just go with a price you like, as all of the below manufacturers are well respected:

Fortron, PC Power & Cooling, Antec, Enermax.

Fixed... Fortron's are cheap, powerful and stable, so they're your best bet...

 

[Govassa]

It did not help much to remove the drivers w drivercleaner, and install it again(the last version). So my last hope in this regard is a new 500W power supply, and I see they have Fortron at the local pc-shop.

Maybe I go for a hole new XP install as a the last (desperate) try if the PSU dont fix it.

Thank you all for your kind help; I will update this thread when the new PSU is installed (hopefully a happy ending

Regards

Andre

 

[zagood]

Originally posted by: Govassa
It did not help much to remove the drivers w drivercleaner, and install it again(the last version). So my last hope in this regard is a new 500W power supply, and I see they have Fortron at the local pc-shop.

Maybe I go for a hole new XP install as a the last (desperate) try if the PSU dont fix it.

Thank you all for your kind help; I will update this thread when the new PSU is installed (hopefully a happy ending

Regards

Andre

Everybody loves a happy ending!

Good luck man, I think the PSU will take care of it.

-z

 

[golem]

Is it possible that COD2 was playing under dx9 mode with the 6800gs and dx7 with the 5700?

 

[Govassa]

Can you explain ?dx9? and ?dx7?? The settings in COD2 are as far as I can see no different before and now.

I going for a 600w Mist power supply. Test saying it is quiet and stable ? much money for me right now, but the thought is to buy good now, so I can have it when its time for upgrade the hole pc?

Andre

 

[beserker15]

dx7 mode actually reduces the textures and turn off alot of the shadow effects. honestly i couldn't tell either...but once i set it next to my friend's computer with dx9 mode...i can easily tell the difference.

 

[Govassa]

Just a quick question; would this PSU fit my motherboard(it has AGP connection for the video card)? http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews/neoHE550%20review/ I guess ?yes?, but just too bee shore a thought someone here can give me an answer before I order one.

The local store do not have Fortron's, but this from Antec looks good - and can be used in the next upgrade.

Andre

 

[Govassa]

I again ? here is some words from me in Norway. As you properly remember I did have problems with my xfx 6800 GS AGP card ? it only gave my ca 8300 in 3dmark03, while some of you others got 11000? You told me to buy a new PSU, I and was in doubt since a friend of me - how works with pc - said that would not help? Well, I have just installed a Antec Neo HE 550Watt PSU!

I hoped for a ?happy ending?,- want to know the result??

 

[zagood]

YES!

-z

 

[Govassa]

Well, last time a got ca 8500 in 3dmark03, and 2800 in 05, and that was after opening 4 pipes and 1 shader, and every one else got 11000/5200. The worst thing was the game experience, witch sucked(compared to my old FX 5700 card).

I bought a new PSU, got it today. 3dmark 11592 and rdmark05 5238. I never believed people here telling me to buy a new psu, cus a friend of me witch works with pc told me it wouldn?t. So,- a big thanks to you people that give me the good advice ? you put a smile on my face!! COD2 is like a new game now, so fun! My old video card only gave me 2800 in 3dmark03, and the game experience was thereafter..

Thank you all for your help

My next question must be; some ideas to make this new card less noisy?


Regards

Andre