Xbox One - Buy now or wait?

[artemicion]

I got mine at midnight on launch day and am not pissed. I got good usage out of it and I find Kinect a bonus that everyone who buys the cheaper one misses out on. That's just me though.


To the OP if I didn't buy one by now I would just wait. Exclusives are really the only deciding factor IMO and I don't see anything major until the fall/winter.



That makes absolutely no sense. That's like saying "hey don't buy a car now, it'll be cheaper later!" "Hey don't buy that TV, it'll be cheaper later!" Then I turn around and say "yeah but we know that everything devalues or goes on sale later but I want it now."



Gamble? I spent $500 on a game console I wanted. Just like I'd spend $700 on a firearm I wanted. No difference at all. I got what I wanted and obviously since I bought it, $500 was a fair price to me.

My God. You people are so obtuse it's almost amusing.

I'm not talking about early adopter tax. I'm not talking about depreciation of electronics.

This is what I meant by gamble.

Let's say time machines existed and you could go back in time and warn yourself about future events.

Let's say John Smith in November 2013 is deciding whether to buy an XB1. He has a good job, so the $500 isn't a huge issue. He's weighing the pro's and con's and decides to buy at $500.

WOOSH WOOSH WOOSH. FUTURE JOHN SMITH JUMPS OUT OF THE TARDIS.

"November 2013 John Smith! I want you to know that I have information in the future! In the future, you can buy an XB1 for $100 cheaper without the Kinect in about a year, and it will also get an additional $50 price drop! Of course this means you won't be able to play games in the interim if you wait, but I just wanted to provide you with this ADDITIONAL INFORMATION to see if it CHANGES YOUR PURCHASING DECISION."

November 2013 John Smith decides that this additional information changes the balance of the scales and decides to wait a year.

THAT is what I'm referring to as the gamble. The fact that we don't have access to that future information means that when we make a purchasing decision, there is an unknown factor that we cannot account for that could change our decision making process depending on how the future turns out.

Sometimes these future events play out in your favor, making your decision BETTER. Sometimes these future events play out not in your favor, making your decision WORSE. The former tends to make you feel LUCKY, the latter tends to make you feel REGRET.

Taking your car analogy, imagine if you are deciding whether to buy a car and you do. If, in the future, the car turns out to be enormously popular and retain its resale value very well, you'll feel lucky. If, in the future, the car turns out to have defective brakes and you drive off a cliff, you'll feel regret.

Jesus, I'm not criticizing anyone for buying an XB1 Day One. I'm just saying, wouldn't you feel better if things were different and Kinect had 1,000 compatible games, the console was wildly popular, and actually increased in value since you bought it? Instead of Kinect going defunct and the unpopularity of the console causing it to decrease in value like it actually did?

 

[purbeast0]

My God. You people are so obtuse it's almost amusing.

I'm not talking about early adopter tax. I'm not talking about depreciation of electronics.

This is what I meant by gamble.

Let's say time machines existed and you could go back in time and warn yourself about future events.

Let's say John Smith in November 2013 is deciding whether to buy an XB1. He has a good job, so the $500 isn't a huge issue. He's weighing the pro's and con's and decides to buy at $500.

WOOSH WOOSH WOOSH. FUTURE JOHN SMITH JUMPS OUT OF THE TARDIS.

"November 2013 John Smith! I want you to know that I have information in the future! In the future, you can buy an XB1 for $100 cheaper without the Kinect in about a year, and it will also get an additional $50 price drop! Of course this means you won't be able to play games in the interim if you wait, but I just wanted to provide you with this ADDITIONAL INFORMATION to see if it CHANGES YOUR PURCHASING DECISION."

November 2013 John Smith decides that this additional information changes the balance of the scales and decides to wait a year.

THAT is what I'm referring to as the gamble. The fact that we don't have access to that future information means that when we make a purchasing decision, there is an unknown factor that we cannot account for that could change our decision making process depending on how the future turns out.

Sometimes these future events play out in your favor, making your decision BETTER. Sometimes these future events play out not in your favor, making your decision WORSE. The former tends to make you feel LUCKY, the latter tends to make you feel REGRET.

Taking your car analogy, imagine if you are deciding whether to buy a car and you do. If, in the future, the car turns out to be enormously popular and retain its resale value very well, you'll feel lucky. If, in the future, the car turns out to have defective brakes and you drive off a cliff, you'll feel regret.

Jesus, I'm not criticizing anyone for buying an XB1 Day One. I'm just saying, wouldn't you feel better if things were different and Kinect had 1,000 compatible games, the console was wildly popular, and actually increased in value since you bought it? Instead of Kinect going defunct and the unpopularity of the console causing it to decrease in value like it actually did?

quoted for irony.

 

[Lil Frier]

What do we do to get this turd of a thread locked?

 

[Fulle]

My favorite part is where purbeast0 and cmdrdredd trolled with pretending to not know the core concept behind buyer's remorse.

Thread delivers.

 

[cmdrdredd]

My favorite part is where purbeast0 and cmdrdredd trolled with pretending to not know the core concept behind buyer's remorse.

Thread delivers.

There is no buyers remorse when buying a console at launch. Anyone who says they have buyers remorse when they buy a console on launch day is a fool and has no business buying it in the first place.

That's the whole point we were making. We know what happens at every console launch in history. The price was fair to us, otherwise we would not have bought it on day one. Everyone, and I do mean everyone knows that prices will drop eventually. We knew what games were available and what games were announced. We buy based on that. Period.

Honestly though it's a console. It's a hobby. It isn't a huge financial investment and anyone who feels it is should reevaluate their priorities.

 

[Fulle]

There is no buyers remorse when buying a console at launch. Anyone who says they have buyers remorse when they buy a console on launch day is a fool and has no business buying it in the first place.

That's the whole point we were making. We know what happens at every console launch in history. The price was fair to us, otherwise we would not have bought it on day one. Everyone, and I do mean everyone knows that prices will drop eventually. We knew what games were available and what games were announced. We buy based on that. Period.

Honestly though it's a console. It's a hobby. It isn't a huge financial investment and anyone who feels it is should reevaluate their priorities.

The Xbox One went from a $560 buy-in ($500 console+ $60 game) to a $350 buy-in, in less than a year. That's a $210 difference. There's really not been a console that's had that severe of price drops that fast since the 3DS, which compensated early adopters with the ambassador program at least.

That's not something that would bother me that much, since I'm a working adult with much more money than I have time (which I'm sure is the same for you and purbeast), but for younger gamers it's gotta sting pretty bad... and most people don't like to see that sort of depreciation of value on something they buy in the first year.

That said, I can't see how the Xbox One could lower it's price much further. The cost of actually building the console is high enough that any further price reduction would mean MS would be taking unreasonably high losses on each console sale, which means MS would need to wait until the hardware can be revised.... Although, I'm not sure how long it'll take for that to happen, since rumors were circling a few months ago about AMD working on getting the Xbox One (and PS4) APUs down to 20nm in 2015. Paired with other cost saving changes, I wouldn't be surprised if a revised Xbox One could hit the $300 mark by the end of the year...

Anything more than that seems unlikely tho. $50 isn't that big of a deal to hold off on buying something like this. There's some interesting exclusives for 2015 too... so it's not that bad of a value proposition right now, actually.

 

[purbeast0]

actually if you want to add up the prices...

xboxone for me buy in was $810.

$60 for killer instinct pin ultimate edition.
$50 for day1 xbl card with shadow jago
$200 for tournament edition 2 joystick
$500 for console.

if i got all of that now, i'd probably spend like $600 on it.

do i give a f? not at all, because i've gotten more than a year out of it. and it's not like there were surprises after my purchase, i knew that prices would drop. that's called normal.

and fwiw, i got my ps4 for free with knack + 1yr card for psn+. if i did it all over again, i'd take the xb1 10/10 times, paying $810 for the xb1 vs. a free ps4.

you know why? because i actually play my xb1, and i don't play ps4 for shit.

 

[RampantAndroid]

I don't see why there should be buyers remorse unless you bought it days before the sale. If you bought a year ago AND have enjoyed it for a year...well, who cares? Getting it now versus getting it in a year is worth some amount of money.

 

[cmdrdredd]

The Xbox One went from a $560 buy-in ($500 console+ $60 game) to a $350 buy-in, in less than a year. That's a $210 difference. There's really not been a console that's had that severe of price drops that fast since the 3DS, which compensated early adopters with the ambassador program at least.

That's not something that would bother me that much, since I'm a working adult with much more money than I have time (which I'm sure is the same for you and purbeast), but for younger gamers it's gotta sting pretty bad... and most people don't like to see that sort of depreciation of value on something they buy in the first year.

That said, I can't see how the Xbox One could lower it's price much further. The cost of actually building the console is high enough that any further price reduction would mean MS would be taking unreasonably high losses on each console sale, which means MS would need to wait until the hardware can be revised.... Although, I'm not sure how long it'll take for that to happen, since rumors were circling a few months ago about AMD working on getting the Xbox One (and PS4) APUs down to 20nm in 2015. Paired with other cost saving changes, I wouldn't be surprised if a revised Xbox One could hit the $300 mark by the end of the year...

Anything more than that seems unlikely tho. $50 isn't that big of a deal to hold off on buying something like this. There's some interesting exclusives for 2015 too... so it's not that bad of a value proposition right now, actually.

When I decided to buy an Xbox One you know what it cost me? A case of ammo and 3 days at the range. That's how I evaluated the expense. I traded one hobby for another.

It's not that big a deal, and if it dropped to $200 I wouldn't care because I already own it and it's done. Like ammo, I can't return it once it's used.

 

[purbeast0]

I don't see why there should be buyers remorse unless you bought it days before the sale. If you bought a year ago AND have enjoyed it for a year...well, who cares? Getting it now versus getting it in a year is worth some amount of money.

there isn't.

these threads just bring out the stupid because the subject at hand is a stupid subject.

"hey someone tell me what i like and what i should do with my money"

 

[Fulle]

A lot of people out there would be bothered that they bought a console that went down in value $210 in a year, while simultaneously delivering zero must have exclusives during that same time period.

Failure to admit that, is just stubborn fanboy BS.

 

[purbeast0]

A lot of people out there would be bothered that they bought a console that went down in value $210 in a year, while simultaneously delivering zero must have exclusives during that same time period.

Failure to admit that, is just stubborn fanboy BS.

"must have exclusives" is 100% personal opinion just fyi.

a brand new car drops about $5k the second you drive it off the lot. many people don't give a shit about that and buy new cars anyways.

i can't even sell my first HDTV for $50 on craigslist right now. i paid $3k for it back in the day. do i care? not one bit.

sounds like you're the stubborn one that can't come to grips with not everyone being 100% like yourself.

 

[digiram]

The Xbox One went from a $560 buy-in ($500 console+ $60 game) to a $350 buy-in, in less than a year. That's a $210 difference. There's really not been a console that's had that severe of price drops that fast since the 3DS, which compensated early adopters with the ambassador program at least.

That's not something that would bother me that much, since I'm a working adult with much more money than I have time (which I'm sure is the same for you and purbeast), but for younger gamers it's gotta sting pretty bad... and most people don't like to see that sort of depreciation of value on something they buy in the first year.

That said, I can't see how the Xbox One could lower it's price much further. The cost of actually building the console is high enough that any further price reduction would mean MS would be taking unreasonably high losses on each console sale, which means MS would need to wait until the hardware can be revised.... Although, I'm not sure how long it'll take for that to happen, since rumors were circling a few months ago about AMD working on getting the Xbox One (and PS4) APUs down to 20nm in 2015. Paired with other cost saving changes, I wouldn't be surprised if a revised Xbox One could hit the $300 mark by the end of the year...

Anything more than that seems unlikely tho. $50 isn't that big of a deal to hold off on buying something like this. There's some interesting exclusives for 2015 too... so it's not that bad of a value proposition right now, actually.

This 350 buy in you speak of includes Kinect, right? I mean, that's what we early adopters got with our day one xb1. Sadly, for many perhaps Kinect was a disappointment, but I actually enjoy Dance Central and Fantasia. They're my work out games. I also enjoy using Kinect as my tv remote to, and the xbone's dlna and media support is icing on the cake. So, 0 regrets for me.

 

[RampantAndroid]

A lot of people out there would be bothered that they bought a console that went down in value $210 in a year, while simultaneously delivering zero must have exclusives during that same time period.

Failure to admit that, is just stubborn fanboy BS.

So the fact that they got a year of enjoyment, possibly got a custom looking console that says it's a ship unit and sated their "I need a new device" desire means...nothing? I think you should go talk to iPhone 6 users - tell them to wait a year and they can get the same phone for a lot less.

 

[cmdrdredd]

So the fact that they got a year of enjoyment, possibly got a custom looking console that says it's a ship unit and sated their "I need a new device" desire means...nothing? I think you should go talk to iPhone 6 users - tell them to wait a year and they can get the same phone for a lot less.

Haha...I have a 6 plus and if I waited it would be replaced and I would want the 7 anyway.

I actually bought two Xbox one consoles. One at launch and then the sunset overdrive bundle with the white console.

 

[BarkingGhostar]

Everyone that I routinely played with were originally Ubi FPS gamers with the original Xbox. Then Ubi screwed up and we all switched to COD FPS. Now Activision screwed that up before we were willing to move away from the 360.

Now we stopped playing.

 

[Fulle]

"must have exclusives" is 100% personal opinion just fyi.

a brand new car drops about $5k the second you drive it off the lot. many people don't give a shit about that and buy new cars anyways.

i can't even sell my first HDTV for $50 on craigslist right now. i paid $3k for it back in the day. do i care? not one bit.

sounds like you're the stubborn one that can't come to grips with not everyone being 100% like yourself.

No, from previous experience dealing with you and cmdrdredd, you'll just argue even if you don't believe the point your making to such an extreme that you may have previous posts completely contradicting what you're saying. Its obnoxious, but whatever. It's expected now.

Conversations are a little boring, if people are like "I think this thing" and the other person's like "Me too". It just dies at that point, so I figure you guys take ridiculous stances on things on purpose to have something to talk about. That or your logic center is broken, and well.... that'd just not be your fault, probably, so uh, here's some pity?


Anyway, have the problems with the Master Chief Collection been fixed yet? Serious question, not trying to make an anti Xbox jab. For a lot of people I know, Halo is the biggest draw to the Xbox One.

 

[cmdrdredd]

I don't think all the MCC issues are fixed. Sucks but they are updating it quite a bit. I got a couple free days of XBL because they had problems too.

Also there is no real argument. You tried to say people would be pissed because it got cheaper. That never matters to me and I explained why. I buy a console at launch because I want it. I know there will be price drops and bundles later. I bought two Xbox ones and two ps4s because I wanted the white consoles. It doesn't matter to me, it shouldn't matter to early adopters and they should always be prepared for price drops and deals down the line. As I said, if they cannot accept that they have no business buying a console at launch in the first place.

 

[purbeast0]

No, from previous experience dealing with you and cmdrdredd, you'll just argue even if you don't believe the point your making to such an extreme that you may have previous posts completely contradicting what you're saying. Its obnoxious, but whatever. It's expected now.

Conversations are a little boring, if people are like "I think this thing" and the other person's like "Me too". It just dies at that point, so I figure you guys take ridiculous stances on things on purpose to have something to talk about. That or your logic center is broken, and well.... that'd just not be your fault, probably, so uh, here's some pity?


Anyway, have the problems with the Master Chief Collection been fixed yet? Serious question, not trying to make an anti Xbox jab. For a lot of people I know, Halo is the biggest draw to the Xbox One.

CLIFFS:

"if you don't agree with me, it's because you are mentally challenged."

and no clue about MCC, never had interest in that game to begin with. but way to try and change the topic at hand since you were getting it handed to you.

 

[Fulle]

FFS.

http://www.idigitaltimes.com/xbox-one-terrible-five-reasons-i-regret-buying-one-launch-369296

http://armedgamer.com/2014/07/xbox-one-regrets/

http://n4g.com/news/1560367/buyers-remorse-why-i-regret-getting-an-xbox-one

https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/...972f-4b54-4ce2-8988-bc0209335f71/posts?page=1

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/691088-xbox-one/68015670

Read up on it a bit and it looks like the MCC still needs a bit more time before it's patched up properly. 343 is apparently working on some major patch that was supposed to have a beta, then pulled the beta on it since they thought it would delay the release. Meh, I'll have to check on the game again in another couple months, haha.

 

[Fulle]

CLIFFS:

"if you don't agree with me, it's because you are mentally challenged."

and no clue about MCC, never had interest in that game to begin with. but way to try and change the topic at hand since you were getting it handed to you.

You're the one saying that if someone doesn't agree with you on the Xbox One buyer's remorse issue, that it's not even a thing for some people, even though it clearly is... and you had posted a "these people who don't agree with me are stupid" type of comment earlier in this thread.

Which is why your cliffnotes are half correct. I've concluded that you're either a TROLL, or mentally challenged. Leaning troll, tbph, to your benefit.

 

[RampantAndroid]

No, from previous experience dealing with you and cmdrdredd, you'll just argue even if you don't believe the point your making to such an extreme that you may have previous posts completely contradicting what you're saying. Its obnoxious, but whatever. It's expected now.

Conversations are a little boring, if people are like "I think this thing" and the other person's like "Me too". It just dies at that point, so I figure you guys take ridiculous stances on things on purpose to have something to talk about. That or your logic center is broken, and well.... that'd just not be your fault, probably, so uh, here's some pity?


Anyway, have the problems with the Master Chief Collection been fixed yet? Serious question, not trying to make an anti Xbox jab. For a lot of people I know, Halo is the biggest draw to the Xbox One.

So then what about me, hmm? I've got a Kinect XBox one. No real regrets. Just because YOU think people should be outraged doesn't mean they will be (or even should be.) I know A LOT of people who want the latest thing. People lease cars for that reason alone. Those people know full well there will be price drops.

Moreover - the XBox One at ship cost more than the PS4, but $100...and yet, the people you're talking to bought it anyway. Don't you think if price was the only consideration in their minds they'd have a PS4 instead of a XBox 1?

 

[Fulle]

So then what about me, hmm? I've got a Kinect XBox one. No real regrets. Just because YOU think people should be outraged doesn't mean they will be (or even should be.) I know A LOT of people who want the latest thing. People lease cars for that reason alone. Those people know full well there will be price drops.

Moreover - the XBox One at ship cost more than the PS4, but $100...and yet, the people you're talking to bought it anyway. Don't you think if price was the only consideration in their minds they'd have a PS4 instead of a XBox 1?

I never said that all people, or even a majority were "outraged". I said that "some" of the people who bought Xbox Ones felt some buyer's remorse due to the price drops and lack of content. I know a number of people felt burned by the Kinect un-bundling in particular, since they didn't have much use for it. I specifically sited the $210 buy-in difference as a somewhat extreme change in the first year of a console's life. The existence of people who don't feel one way, doesn't mean that the people that do don't exist.
- I listed a few links where people were discussing their Xbox One buyer's remorse as evidence that these people aren't imaginary, even though doing such should have been unnecessary. There's just some really stubborn folks in this forum.

I've also said in this thread, that I think that the Xbox One's a safer buy now than it was at release, since I feel that there will be no further price drops until the 20nm die shrink hardware revision, and software's hitting stride a little better with some decent AAA titles expected in 2015. So someone concerned about whether they should buy now or wait, probably shouldn't have as many reservations right now. The worst of the Xbox One early adopter growing pains should be behind us.

 

[Wingznut]

An Xbox One thread where Fulle shows up to sh*t on it... I'm shocked. Shocked! Anyway...

Add me to the list of people who don't regret buying it on day one. I don't regret it in the least. Even with the recent price difference, I have had more than enough entertainment value in the previous months for that cost difference.

And now that I think about my anecdotal evidence, I can't think of a single friend who bought one that wouldn't agree with me.

As for the OP... It's all about the games. If there's nothing that piques your interest, then buying one would be a waste of money. I'm sure you could get more entertainment for your money elsewhere.

 

[dguy6789]

while simultaneously delivering zero must have exclusives during that same time period.

Failure to admit that, is just stubborn fanboy BS.

Forza 5? Forza Horizon 2? Titanfall? Halo MCC? Killer Instinct? Sunset Overdrive? Have you been under a rock for the past year? There's only one obvious fanboy in this thread.