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XBOX a failure?
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CripplerCrossface
Senior member
no sh!t sherlock. i even said that in one of my earlier posts. the xbox just started outselling the wonderswan color.
Ohhh, by 1,000 units. Now if it can only outsell that mean old WonderSwan Crystal it can start worrying about competing in the 7 year old console market.
I have found that most Xbox users fit into one of two categories:
1) PC gamers with outdated PCs
2) People who attend Visual Studio .NET launch parties and have pics of Bill Gates taped up in their cube
mchammer187
Diamond Member
IMO X-box still does not have a noteworthy title
take away all the cross Platform/ PC titles and the selection is extremely small
much smaller than the ps2 or GC library if you do the same for with them
noteworthy title IMO means a title that compels me to buy the system
if it did than i would have bought it already
CripplerCrossface
Senior member
well, dude i am not in japan and could really care less about how it is doing over there. They are just loyal to sony. thats already established.
I for one own and xbox not only because it has the best versions of crossplatform games but because of xbox live and because i know nothing is going to touch it for the next 2-3 years.
My gaming PC is not the greatest thing in the world (xp 1700+, aiw8500, 256mb ram) but it does the trick.
I dont even know what visual studio net or whatever is.
and u missed my point entirely on my post i was actually trying to agree with u that the xbox market in japan is horrible which i posted aboot earlier.
I for one own and xbox not only because it has the best versions of crossplatform games but because of xbox live and because i know nothing is going to touch it for the next 2-3 years.
My gaming PC is not the greatest thing in the world (xp 1700+, aiw8500, 256mb ram) but it does the trick.
I dont even know what visual studio net or whatever is.
and u missed my point entirely on my post i was actually trying to agree with u that the xbox market in japan is horrible which i posted aboot earlier.
It is about PC ports, alot of people are tiring of upgrading computers just to play games. When I started playing PC games I never bought another console until the Xbox because it's a way for me to play PC games without the computer and on a Big Screen. I never got into Final Fantasy or Super Mario pokeball sunshine or whatever nintendo has out. I don't want PS2 type games on the Xbox, I want PC type titles so I don't have to keep shoving money into my PC. 🙂
CripplerCrossface
Senior member
tru.
CripplerCrossface
Senior member
you're quite uniformed. whatever xbox charges is going to be a base fee. they are using their own servers for all of the games. its also a lot easier cause u only have one bill to pay for online gaming.
Actually, EA is pretty close to dropping support for the Xbox so you don't have much to worry about.
CripplerCrossface
Senior member
thats why i play ---2k-
mchammer187
Diamond Member
Halo is not an exclusive (though I didnt care for it much anyway) because it will be done better on PC
what i hate about the Box is the same types of games come out for it
how many freaking sports titles and FPS ' s do we need
IMO X box needs
1. Classic Rpgs
2. No more racing games (or less)
3. Less cross platform more exclusives( actually all new system need this)
4. a killer platform game
5. innovative genres/ games (what Resident Evil, Tomb Raider did for the PSX)
just #1 would be enough for me to buy one though 🙂
Their relationship with Microsoft is currently strained. I doubt they will drop support but they are not happy and spoke against MS openly.
Yes you are correct I made a mistake. However, with the monthly fee, I'm not sure how many users are going to pay for Xbox live. (I am referring to people who are making a decision to buy a new video game console). Regarding my argument about the games however, the point is that there is still are few killer games out for the system, that aren't available on either the computer or PS2 already.
i don't know why people say it sucks. I have one with a good amount of games, and I have great fun with it. I certainly like it better than most consoles i've had to date. its got fantastic graphics and now a fairly wide array of games. certainly worth my money. those of you bashing it, its probably you've never had one/played one. go die.
Strategically, here is what MS has done wrong with the Xbox, IMHO:
* Over-reliance on hardware specs - This is not the PC market...the hardware mindset (if you can call it that) is different in the console market.
* Not pursuing exclusivity agreements - Rather than buying companies outright, they should be purchasing exclusivity contracts. Cheaper than owning studios. I do think Bungie was a BRILLIANT acquisition. Rare? Remains to be seen...altho an Xbox exclusive Perfect Dark would kick mucho bootay!
* Terrible hardware form factors - Sure, the "S" controller is here now, but first impressions matter (and STICK in people's heads). With all the SFF PC cases around, I find it LUDICROUS that MS couldn't design something that didn't strangely hearken back to the size of the Atari 2600.
* Playing catch-up - The Xbox console was released behind PS2. MS' Live is coming out AFTER the PS2 network adapter. MS more than anyone else should understand the importance of SHIPPING FIRST!
And here's where MS has executed successfully, again IMHO:
* They have captured the #2 spot on their first outing - A HUGE accomplishment, given the entrenched position of Nintendo.
* Been willing to correct mistakes, AND get serious when competing - Price cuts, replacing faulty units quickly, the "S" controller. Microsoft has not been arrogant in this new market.
* Played to their strengths - The Xbox does have some sweet features, and they are making the most of them.
* Online strategy - Make no mistake...this is gonna be HUGE to console gaming, just like it revolutionized PC gaming. MS has the best plan for this area...and here's why:
Let's look at the economic model of Xbox Live...
Now MS has publicly been announcing numbers of something like 150K signups for the Beta testing.
Let's even go so far as to halve that number...you're talking 75K players.
Figure at $50 a pop for the Live starter kits...
That's a cool $3.75 million from subscriptions for Year 1.
Now, let's look at Year 2 revenue...
Let's assume that MS charges $10 a month for Xbox Live.
We'll still assume a base of 75K players.
An even cooler $9 million in subscription revenue.
Bump that to $15 a month (unlikely tho), and you're talking $13.5 million in subscription fees alone.
Personally, I think the penetration rate for Y1will be more like 100K to 125K.
So figure somewhere between $5M~$6.25M Y1 subscription revenue
Figure $12M~15M Y2 revenue
If MS starts punching out subscriber numbers...LOOK OUT!
At 250K users: Y1=$12.5M; Y2=$30M (this is a valid target..less than a 10% penetration in North America)
At 500K users: Y1=$25M; Y2=$60M (more aggressive target for sure...a bit less than 20% penetration at current console numbers)
And that is continuing revenue, unlike the one-shot charge from Sony for the network adapter.
Now...in North America, Sony has sold roughly 11.5 million PS2 units.
Assuming a 10% penetration for the Network Adapter (over 1 million adapters, mind you), Sony would stand to generate roughly $46M, one-time.
Not a small number to be sure, but compare that to MS' potential numbers, with only half the number of units sold...hmmmm.
Consider than MS' revenue is a subscription model....in the immortal words of Keith Jackson...
WHOA NELLY!
Now let's discuss this like adults...and leave the fanboy cr@p to another thread :frown:
* Over-reliance on hardware specs - This is not the PC market...the hardware mindset (if you can call it that) is different in the console market.
* Not pursuing exclusivity agreements - Rather than buying companies outright, they should be purchasing exclusivity contracts. Cheaper than owning studios. I do think Bungie was a BRILLIANT acquisition. Rare? Remains to be seen...altho an Xbox exclusive Perfect Dark would kick mucho bootay!
* Terrible hardware form factors - Sure, the "S" controller is here now, but first impressions matter (and STICK in people's heads). With all the SFF PC cases around, I find it LUDICROUS that MS couldn't design something that didn't strangely hearken back to the size of the Atari 2600.
* Playing catch-up - The Xbox console was released behind PS2. MS' Live is coming out AFTER the PS2 network adapter. MS more than anyone else should understand the importance of SHIPPING FIRST!
And here's where MS has executed successfully, again IMHO:
* They have captured the #2 spot on their first outing - A HUGE accomplishment, given the entrenched position of Nintendo.
* Been willing to correct mistakes, AND get serious when competing - Price cuts, replacing faulty units quickly, the "S" controller. Microsoft has not been arrogant in this new market.
* Played to their strengths - The Xbox does have some sweet features, and they are making the most of them.
* Online strategy - Make no mistake...this is gonna be HUGE to console gaming, just like it revolutionized PC gaming. MS has the best plan for this area...and here's why:
Let's look at the economic model of Xbox Live...
Now MS has publicly been announcing numbers of something like 150K signups for the Beta testing.
Let's even go so far as to halve that number...you're talking 75K players.
Figure at $50 a pop for the Live starter kits...
That's a cool $3.75 million from subscriptions for Year 1.
Now, let's look at Year 2 revenue...
Let's assume that MS charges $10 a month for Xbox Live.
We'll still assume a base of 75K players.
An even cooler $9 million in subscription revenue.
Bump that to $15 a month (unlikely tho), and you're talking $13.5 million in subscription fees alone.
Personally, I think the penetration rate for Y1will be more like 100K to 125K.
So figure somewhere between $5M~$6.25M Y1 subscription revenue
Figure $12M~15M Y2 revenue
If MS starts punching out subscriber numbers...LOOK OUT!
At 250K users: Y1=$12.5M; Y2=$30M (this is a valid target..less than a 10% penetration in North America)
At 500K users: Y1=$25M; Y2=$60M (more aggressive target for sure...a bit less than 20% penetration at current console numbers)
And that is continuing revenue, unlike the one-shot charge from Sony for the network adapter.
Now...in North America, Sony has sold roughly 11.5 million PS2 units.
Assuming a 10% penetration for the Network Adapter (over 1 million adapters, mind you), Sony would stand to generate roughly $46M, one-time.
Not a small number to be sure, but compare that to MS' potential numbers, with only half the number of units sold...hmmmm.
Consider than MS' revenue is a subscription model....in the immortal words of Keith Jackson...
WHOA NELLY!
Now let's discuss this like adults...and leave the fanboy cr@p to another thread :frown:
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