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XBOX a failure?

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nintendo was not dominant in the 32-64bit era the only thing sony had to worry about was the saturn. ffVII changed all that and the rest is history.if the n64 came out first that argument would be valid.
 
I don't think NGC is in third place overall right now... definitely not when it's hot in Japan and it's doing not too bad in the US.

Sega never truly challenged the throne Nintendo had for years. Nobody could until PS1 came out. Back then the Nintendo SuperFamicom literally defined console gaming, every game you could think of was made for the SuperFamicom, SquareSoft made every Final Fantasy on Nintendo machines until they moved to PS1 for FFVII. Needless to say that period of time was dominated by Nintendo, and they were clearly PS1's main foe.
 
Even if the GCN is outselling the xbox by like 500,000 overall, we all know that the box will erase that deficit really quick. i think we are confusing generations. nitendo owned the 16-bit generation but came too late for teh 32-64 bit generation to even matter. they werent a foe because by the time they came out with the n64, ffVII, resident evil and others came out by then. nintendo was no competiton becuase for the longest they didnt have a system to compete with. This is why and everyone had psx's. there was no real alternative for awhile. thats what i remember anyway
 
GameCube is outselling XBox worldwide by about 2 million units. Most of that leap is from the Japanese market. 2.1 million GC to 280,000 XBox (ouch). For Europe and the rest of the market outside U.S., both are fairly even. I'm sure they'll be head to head till both systems go under in their respective ways.
 
<<Even if the GCN is outselling the xbox by like 500,000 overall, we all know that the box will erase that deficit really quick. i think we are confusing generations. nitendo owned the 16-bit generation but came too late for teh 32-64 bit generation to even matter. they werent a foe because by the time they came out with the n64, ffVII, resident evil and others came out by then. nintendo was no competiton becuase for the longest they didnt have a system to compete with. This is why and everyone had psx's. there was no real alternative for awhile. thats what i remember anyway>>

I can't agree with that. What you are saying sounds like Sony's success is based solely on timing, not because they defeated the competition. When PS1 came out in 1994, the company with the largest market share was Nintendo and the console that had the best and the greatest number of games was the SuperFamicom. Nintendo didn't just sit around and paved the way for PS1, even though they had a relatively outdated system, their tremendous fan base and huge developer support helped make it hard for Sony. Sony had to fight through Nintendo to get to the top. I can't disagree more that Nintendo just didn't do anything and watch PS1 eat up their market shares. Granted, the Saturn, on paper, was more like PS1's nemesis, but back in that time, with the way the market was, Nintendo was their main competitor. It wasn't until most of the good games on SFC switched over to PS1 when Sony finally came out on top.
 
psx came out in '95. damn right its aboot timing. From what i remember psx came bursting out the gates and the n64 kept getting pushed back and pushed back and pushed back. and when it did come out sony had already made their impression on the market and saturn was going downhill.
 
If you really want to make that argument, which I totally disagree. Then all you can really do is blame Microsoft for bad timing. Why didn't they take a page out of Sony's playbook and release Xbox when there is no competition? Why did MS have to challenge Sony when Sony is at their best? It's always easy for us to do all the second-guessing, but the market is not as simple as timing. Back in 95, the top console was SFC, and it remained the top console until FFVII came out on PS1. Plus, I don't think there is such a thing as "no competition", no matter what business you're talking about.
 
Originally posted by: Nutdotnet
I say we come back in one year and see if the Xbox is a failure.
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At least I didnt say XBox is a failure, but lets come back to this topic in a year and see if XBox is a success.
 
thats one of microsofts glaring flaws: bad timing. Its just how life is. Its all about timing. MS is challenging sony at its best with nintendo still around. And they are still kicking arse and will continue to do so. M$ wont make the same mistake twice. U can expect xbox 2 in 2H2005.

lemme clarify: microsoft flaw pertaining to teh xbox
 
Originally posted by: CripplerCrossface
thats one of microsofts glaring flaws: bad timing. Its just how life is. Its all about timing. MS is challenging sony at its best with nintendo still around. And they are still kicking arse and will continue to do so. M$ wont make the same mistake twice. U can expect xbox 2 in 2H2005.

lemme clarify: microsoft flaw pertaining to teh xbox
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I don't quite understand. The PS2 was at its best when the Xbox came out. So instead MS should've waited? So the PS2 would get almost all the developers, making the PS2 even better? I think the correct strategy was to get the XBox out ASAP. They wouldn't dent the PS2 at the time of release, but the sooner it came out, the weaker the PS2 would be in the long run (pre-PS3) because it would be considered the console of lesser power.
 
If they knew they were making a console they should have had it out before sony alrady had 20M sold. they could have come out a few months b4 nov 2001. Would it have made a difference i honeslty dont know. But timing doesnt apply so much to teh box as it did to the ps1.
 
Originally posted by: SOSTrooper
Originally posted by: Nutdotnet
I say we come back in one year and see if the Xbox is a failure.
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At least I didnt say XBox is a failure, but lets come back to this topic in a year and see if XBox is a success.
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We dont even have to wait a year. Just come back after christmas. My prediction is XBOX dominates the holiday season in NA and maybe europe.
 
Originally posted by: CripplerCrossface
Originally posted by: SOSTrooper
Originally posted by: Nutdotnet
I say we come back in one year and see if the Xbox is a failure.
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At least I didnt say XBox is a failure, but lets come back to this topic in a year and see if XBox is a success.
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We dont even have to wait a year. Just come back after christmas. My prediction is XBOX dominates the holiday season in NA and maybe europe.
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This Christmas is gonna be real painful for my wallet. I don't really buy games too much (cuz I prefer renting it... save $$$), but there are already 4-6 games that I want to buy. Some are ports, some are original. Like I really want Dynasty Warriors 3 and I really want Mech Assault. ARGH... too much $$$
 
Originally posted by: AmdInside Gamecube has some fun games but they get tiresome very quickly and are not as challenging as some PS2 or Xbox games. I read somewhere that Mario Sunshine sold alot less than Nintendo had originally expected and so they are considering chaning their philosophy and marketing more towards the adult gamers and not kiddie gamers.
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That would be a wise move. Their childish games keep me from getting one. I hope that Zelda isn't a dissapointment.
 
I really do think what the XBox faces right now is quite similar to PS1 when it first came out. They both challenged a monopoly-like competitor that had older technology, and had the majority of Japanese game makers supporting them. The difference, Sony was able to wrestle away the opposition's game support, and XBox was not. I guess PS1 probably had an easier time taking away the games because it had superior technology and SuperFamicom had past its prime, the PS2 is not as dated as the SuperFamicom was, but it's reasonable to say that the circumstances are very much alike.
 
Originally posted by: LXi
I really do think what the XBox faces right now is quite similar to PS1 when it first came out. They both challenged a monopoly-like competitor that had older technology, and had the majority of Japanese game makers supporting them. The difference, Sony was able to wrestle away the opposition's game support, and XBox was not. I guess PS1 probably had an easier time taking away the games because it had superior technology and SuperFamicom had past its prime, the PS2 is not as dated as the SuperFamicom was, but it's reasonable to say that the circumstances are very much alike.
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Well, the PS1 was novel. It used CDs. It was from a different company. It had some true 3D games. It was fresh and had different games. I think that's what did it for PS1, at least in part.
 
For some reason this thread makes me very happy that I have my girlfriend so I'm not so sad as to run around memorizing game console sales figures. 😛

EDIT - My (less @ssholean) point being, just play the games people. Find something more important to stress about. This petty stuff just isn't worth your time.

CK
 
Originally posted by: CKDragon
For some reason this thread makes me very happy that I have my girlfriend so I'm not so sad as to run around memorizing game console sales figures. 😛

EDIT - My (less @ssholean) point being, just play the games people. Find something more important to stress about. This petty stuff just isn't worth your time.

CK
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This thread makes me happy that I have my girlfriend who likes games, and also that I don't care which console sells more.

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Jak and Daxter for PS2. Line. 🙂
Super Monkey Ball for the NGC. Sinker. 😀

- M4H
 
Alright if i hear another person say "omg the contoller is so big" or "the xbox is to bulky" im gonna slap the sh*t out of them. if you used the "big" xbox controller for i while then you will notice that it KICKS THE SH*T OUT OF THE STUPID LITTLE PS@ CONTROLLER. and if you still hate it you have two options, buy an S controller or buy they adapter to put the ps2 controller on the xbox. STOP WHINING ABOUT THE BULKYNESS OF THE THING. y is it so bulky hmm let me think because it actualy HAS POWER something like 3 times the ps2. so u think your too good to mod it yourself send it to premodded.com they will hook you up. has anyone forgot about xbox live. if you think ps2 online is even compare to it you should just go jump of a cliff. go to xbox.com and see the comparison two the ps2 online. two out of three of my friends ps2's have already stopped working. they released the ps2 WAY too soon. there are tons of flaws in that thing its pathetic. if u dont belive me go to ebay and search for "broken ps2". most microwaves are more stable then those things. wen ps2 online was released like no one cared it wasnt on the news i went to the mall and people were like WHO CARES. so you got socom with the voice communicator for the ps2 but its only for one game. the xbox has it ON EVERY ONLINE GAME THERE IS. lets compare the graphics too brute force to socom navy seals, hmm i wonder who will win? the ps2's graphics were maxed out the day it was released while the xbox has a programmable gpu and new effects are being created everyday. from all of this y dont u decide what is better. i see the tables turning in favor of the xbox and the ps2 will be left in the dust.


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Dude! your getting a delldo
 
X-Box Live is broad band only.

Most people use modems.

Hell, where I live you can't even get faster then a 28.8k connection.

Therefore, X-Box Live will be nice for the types of people who read these boards, but, for the masses it wont do anything for them.
 
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