Xbox 360 graphics to surpass PC game graphics!?!

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Czar

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comes out next christmas I think, add a year to that for the pc to reach the same place
 
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Acanthus

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Yes, for once, consoles will have a lead on PCs for a tangible period of time.

We will have the graphics, but the processors and memory subsystems are still far off on the PC.
 
raystorm

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Wait a sec.. there is no anisotropy filtering in the Xbox 360 hardware?? UGH. I know most people care alot about Anti-aliasing since some people are allergic to the slightest hint of jaggies..but I HATE gaming without AF. I can't do it.. when a game starts for the first time and I see that slight blur on the ground textures of certain games I immediately turn on 16x AF..aahhhh..what a difference!

I don't understand why AF wont be used in the new console. Its just as important in my eyes as AA.

 
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If you believe that's an actual screenshot from a game then you need to think twice. It's a 3D Studio render of a game idea. The developer is shady and known for outright lies to get financing. Former employees in development have also said those screens are nothing more than 3D renders on ideas. They are trying to get their name out there. 2 Day to Vegas will not look like that and odds are it will never come out. SM is a joke of a developer.
 
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To start, sure. but, at release the Xbox 360 will be the fastest it ever will be. PC's on the other hand improve almost monthly.

Console harware remains the same through their entire life cycle of several years while PC's are constantly evolving.
 
fustercluck

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Some of the Xbox360 games look A LOT better than PC games, it's going to take a while for PCs to catch up actually. Actually PC gaming is bad right now because video cards can't keep up with the graphical power of the PC games, which arent all that mind dazzling to begin with.

Just see for youself...you can download all the teaser videos via bittorrent here
 
Thor86

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Originally posted by: royaldank
If you believe that's an actual screenshot from a game then you need to think twice. It's a 3D Studio render of a game idea. The developer is shady and known for outright lies to get financing. Former employees in development have also said those screens are nothing more than 3D renders on ideas. They are trying to get their name out there. 2 Day to Vegas will not look like that and odds are it will never come out. SM is a joke of a developer.
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And you have references to this claim?
 
Fern

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Actually PC gaming is bad right now because video cards can't keep up with the graphical power of the PC games
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???
My card is only a 6800GT, it has no problem with any game I play (ex. D3, HL2, PK+BOoH, FC).


Fern
 
blurredvision

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Originally posted by: CVSiN
XBOX360 only runs 4x aa and no AS..
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I thought XBOX 360 only ran 2xAA? Atleast I know this is one of the 4 requirements Microsoft has mandated on any game made for the X360.

The four are:

1. A minimum of 720p support.
2. 16:9 support required.
3. DD 5.1 support required.
4. Use of 2xAA functionality built into machine.

I guess I know that 2xAA is required, but are developers free to use higher if they can get away with it?
 
gorcorps

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xbox 360 is going to do the same thing that the ps2 did wrong... come out earlier in the competition and therefore start out slower. The ps2 came out a lot sooner than the xbox, and the xbox team was able to integrate newer technology and finalize stuff that the ps2 couldn't use at the time. I think it's gonna happen again to xbox this time.

Don't trust screenshots this early, because even if they did come from the 360, it came from hardware that more than likely will be changed before release. Plus, did you notice that some of the screens gamespot has for the 360 and ps3 are the same pics?
 
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"Xbox 360 Fact Sheet





Xbox 360 System Performance Specifications
Custom IBM PowerPC-based CPU

* Three symmetrical cores running at 3.2 GHz each
* Two hardware threads per core; six hardware threads total
* VMX-128 vector unit per core; three total
* 128 VMX-128 registers per hardware thread
* 1 MB L2 cache

CPU Game Math Performance

* 9 billion dot product operations per second

Custom ATI Graphics Processor

* 10 MB of embedded DRAM
* 48-way parallel floating-point dynamically scheduled shader pipelines
* Unified shader architecture

Polygon Performance

* 500 million triangles per second

Pixel Fill Rate

* 16 gigasamples per second fill rate using 4x MSAA

Shader Performance

* 48 billion shader operations per second

Memory

* 512 MB of 700 MHz GDDR3 RAM
* Unified memory architecture

Memory Bandwidth

* 22.4 GB/s memory interface bus bandwidth
* 256 GB/s memory bandwidth to EDRAM
* 21.6 GB/s front-side bus

Overall System Floating-Point Performance

* 1 teraflop

Storage

* Detachable and upgradeable 20GB hard drive
* 12x dual-layer DVD-ROM
* Memory Unit support starting at 64 MB

I/O

* Support for up to four wireless game controllers
* Three USB 2.0 ports
* Two memory unit slots

Optimized for Online

* Instant, out-of-the-box access to Xbox Live features with broadband service, including Xbox Live Marketplace for downloadable content, gamer profile for digital identity, and voice chat to talk to friends while playing games, watching movies, or listening to music
* Built-in Ethernet port
* Wi-Fi ready: 802.11a, 802.11b, and 802.11g
* Video camera ready

Digital Media Support

* Support for DVD-Video, DVD-ROM, DVD-R/RW, DVD+R/RW, CD-DA, CD-ROM, CD-R, CD-RW, WMA CD, MP3 CD, JPEG Photo CD
* Ability to stream media from portable music devices, digital cameras and Windows XP-based PCs
* Ability to rip music to the Xbox 360 hard drive
* Custom playlists in every game
* Built-in Media Center Extender for Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005
* Interactive, full-screen 3-D visualizers

High-Definition Game Support

* All games supported at 16:9, 720p, and 1080i, anti-aliasing
* Standard-definition and high-definition video output supported

Audio

* Multi-channel surround sound output
* Supports 48KHz 16-bit audio
* 320 independent decompression channels
* 32-bit audio processing
* Over 256 audio channels

System Orientation

* Stands vertically or horizontally

Customizable Face Plates

* Interchangeable to personalize the console


Availability: Holiday 2005"
 
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Originally posted by: jb
"Three symmetrical cores running at 3.2 GHz each"

is that 3 cpus? like as in >$600 worth of processors?
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basically yes :)

only bad thing is that they share a 1mb cache
 
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with all this great hardware inside, can M$ afford to sell it at say $300-400 a unit and make a profit?
 
Thor86

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Originally posted by: Vampirrella
with all this great hardware inside, can M$ afford to sell it at say $300-400 a unit and make a profit?
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I doubt they will make any money, in fact they will most likely lose money on their hardware, and make up for it in software/Live subscriptions. Which is what they did with the current Xbox.

Anyways, I think I take it back when I say pc games won't look as good anymore to console games.

Check these UT2K7 shots out:

http://ve3d.ign.com/articles/613/613471p1.html
 
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Skotos

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Originally posted by: Vampirrella
with all this great hardware inside, can M$ afford to sell it at say $300-400 a unit and make a profit?
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on the first xbox they actually lost money no big deal though

because they make most of their profit off the games they publish

so basically they release monster consoles and in a couple years they start making money lol

its funny how despert they are to win over sony
 
flashbacck

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Originally posted by: Thor86
Originally posted by: Vampirrella
with all this great hardware inside, can M$ afford to sell it at say $300-400 a unit and make a profit?
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I doubt they will make any money, in fact they will most likely lose money on their hardware, and make up for it in software/Live subscriptions. Which is what they did with the current Xbox.

Anyways, I think I take it back when I say pc games won't look as good anymore to console games.

Check these UT2K7 shots out:

http://ve3d.ign.com/articles/613/613471p1.html
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aren't these badass graphics more a result of better modelling and texturing, than a better graphics engine?
 
Malak

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The Xbox will cost M$ for every unit sold, but they'll make bank on the games. Plus by giving people more bang for their buck, they can get more customers away from Sony. It's all about the future.
 
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