Xbox 360 graphics to surpass PC game graphics!?!

[Gurck]

Congratulations, you're the winner! Your xbox 2 post is the 5,000th on Anandtech! Your prize is an all expenses paid vacation to hell... Please, go there asap :|

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: gorcorps
xbox 360 is going to do the same thing that the ps2 did wrong... come out earlier in the competition and therefore start out slower.

Yes, technology wise they are behind xbox and gamecube because they came out early... but partially thanks to coming out early, they're also the most popular.

 

[Pr0d1gy]

All I got to say about the Xbox 360 is don't believe the hype.

 

[Skotos]

Originally posted by: KruptosAngelos
The Xbox will cost M$ for every unit sold, but they'll make bank on the games. Plus by giving people more bang for their buck, they can get more customers away from Sony. It's all about the future.

thx for saying wat i said but much more clear

i suck at explaing things

 

[Insomniak]

Consoles do not surpass PCs when they launch, they catch up.

Imagine PC evolution as a straight diagonal line - a steady, methodical march in one direction.

Then imagine console evolution as a stairstep - a big jump every 3 to 5 years followed by unchanging circumstances.

 

[randumb]

i see xbox 360 linux clusters

 

[Fenixgoon]

does anyone realize that, despite consoles' graphical power, they still can't do half the things PC's can, and that is their limitation. i don't see anyone posting here from an Xbox or ps2!

 

[SonicIce]

whats the point of wasting power an antialiasing if its not noticeable on a standard-definition tv? what percent of people have an hdtv right now?

 

[raystorm]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
does anyone realize that, despite consoles' graphical power, they still can't do half the things PC's can, and that is their limitation. i don't see anyone posting here from an Xbox or ps2!

Thats cause people buy consoles to play GAMES..not surf the net.

 

[Sniper82]

I've always heard Sony and MS lost money on every unit sold and maid their money back and more from selling extra hardware and games for it. Don't know about Nintendo and their GC. Also if UT2k7 looks that good and plays as good as UT2k4 now I cannot wait. Don't care if its a new engine or just better modeling/textures I want it.

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: Gurck
Congratulations, you're the winner! Your xbox 2 post is the 5,000th on Anandtech! Your prize is an all expenses paid vacation to hell... Please, go there asap :|

Thread was fine for 24 posts, discussion going smoothly. Please don't be a bump in the road.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: malak

Originally posted by: Gurck
Congratulations, you're the winner! Your xbox 2 post is the 5,000th on Anandtech! Your prize is an all expenses paid vacation to hell... Please, go there asap :|

Thread was fine for 24 posts, discussion going smoothly. Please don't be a bump in the road.

Which thread? You'll have to specify, there are hundreds if not thousands of others about the same exact thing.

It's kinda funny, M$ & Sony sell consoles at a loss to try to eek out a bit of profit over one another a few years down the road... know who's making out like bandits though? Tide. Every time someone says the word "xbox", hundreds of little kids ejaculate in their pants, which they then of course have to wash :laugh:

Btw, malak, why the name change?

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: malak
Thread was fine for 24 posts, discussion going smoothly. Please don't be a bump in the road.

Which thread? You'll have to specify, there are hundreds if not thousands of others about the same exact thing.

Obviously the one we are in.

Btw, malak, why the name change?

Felt like a change. It's more or less the same name.

 

[FreakyGuy]

They revealed it would have 3 3.2 Ghz processers in the news. You read that right! 3 3.2 Ghz CPU'S. It will be released before christmas this year. Price? welll see.

 

[0roo0roo]

why is there a freakin identical thread in each forum?

 

[Pocatello]

Most people buy consoles to play games, and they probably have a Dell computer with intel Extremely Slow Graphic other stuffs. I'm afraid that the cost of making games for the PC will be too much for many game developers. It took id and valve a long time to develop games like Doom III and HL2. In term of number game of sales, console games usually win. In term of hardware, the PC will eventually surpass the xbox 360. But it seem to me, we have to buy a new videocard that can cost more than a console almost on the yearly basis, not mentioning new CPUs, to enjoy handful of games like Far Cry, Doom III, Rome Total War, and HL2 in 2004. I haven't seen a PC game that's worth playing in 2005.

 

[Looney]

Not from what i saw on the MTV special... and by the time the xbox360 is released, we'll see games like Quake4 and FEAR on the PC.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: Pocatello
But it seem to me, we have to buy a new videocard that can cost more than a console almost on the yearly basis, not mentioning new CPUs

:roll: You also think Alienware is where it's at for gaming? Every 3-5 years is much more accurate. As we approach photorealism it may grow longer.

 

[Skotos]

Originally posted by: Pocatello
Most people buy consoles to play games, and they probably have a Dell computer with intel Extremely Slow Graphic other stuffs. I'm afraid that the cost of making games for the PC will be too much for many game developers. It took id and valve a long time to develop games like Doom III and HL2. In term of number game of sales, console games usually win. In term of hardware, the PC will eventually surpass the xbox 360. But it seem to me, we have to buy a new videocard that can cost more than a console almost on the yearly basis, not mentioning new CPUs, to enjoy handful of games like Far Cry, Doom III, Rome Total War, and HL2 in 2004. I haven't seen a PC game that's worth playing in 2005.

i love console gaming

and i have a A64 3000+
1 gig dual channel pc 3200 ram
Gigabyte 6600gt
Audigy 2

am i missing something


i still play rtcw for xbox online everyday because it never gets old in terms of gameplay

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: Pocatello
But it seem to me, we have to buy a new videocard that can cost more than a console almost on the yearly basis, not mentioning new CPUs

:roll: You also think Alienware is where it's at for gaming? Every 3-5 years is much more accurate. As we approach photorealism it may grow longer.

You need to upgrade a video card much sooner than that. 2 years at most. And Alienware makes sexcellent gaming rigs.

 

[BFG10K]

Xbox 360 graphics to surpass PC game graphics!?

No, not with 720p and a total of 512 MB shared memory.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: malak

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: Pocatello
But it seem to me, we have to buy a new videocard that can cost more than a console almost on the yearly basis, not mentioning new CPUs

:roll: You also think Alienware is where it's at for gaming? Every 3-5 years is much more accurate. As we approach photorealism it may grow longer.

You need to upgrade a video card much sooner than that. 2 years at most. And Alienware makes sexcellent gaming rigs.

You absolutely don't. A video card can perform at console or higher settings for 3-5 years. What PC enthusiasts do and what is necessary to outpace consoles are two different things. Alienware PCs are fine, if excruciatingly ugly. I'm referring to the $1k+ markup on them, not their quality.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

Xbox 360 graphics to surpass PC game graphics!?

No, not with 720p and a total of 512 MB shared memory.

So you're saying the games cannot look more photorealistic? Seems to me you're too concerned about insane resolution than little things such as:

# Rigid body dynamics
# Universal collision detection
# Finite element analysis
# Soft body dynamics
# Fluid dynamics
# Hair simulation
# Clothing simulation

...and I did see 1080i support...

Other than sheer resolution the games should look better and thus surpass PC games for a short period of time.

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: Gurck
You absolutely don't. A video card can perform at console or higher settings for 3-5 years. What PC enthusiasts do and what is necessary to outpace consoles are two different things. Alienware PCs are fine, if excruciatingly ugly. I'm referring to the $1k+ markup on them, not their quality.

This isn't about PC video cards outpacing consoles, it's about PC games requiring a newer video card every 2 years, compared to a console you upgrade every 3-4 years at half the price. A video card that was high-end 3 years ago cannot run new games at highest details today, you need a new video card. Every 2 years, at the latest, you'll need to upgrade to keep up with PC games. On a console you don't have to worry about upgrading. It's both good and bad. Consoles can start better than PC's for gaming(lack of overhead helps), but since they don't upgrade they eventually aren't as good as PC's.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: malak
A video card that was high-end 3 years ago cannot run new games at highest details today

Patently false, the ti4600 came out in late '01, I bought it in mid '02. It can run FC in 10x7 v.high detail, Doom3 in 12x10 med detail or 10x7 high detail. I'm guessint it has another year before it can't play new games at (chronologically competing; ie. ps2, xbox1) console settings (low detail, 640x480).