Xbitlabs: Comparison of current APUs

[AtenRa]

And people still believe that Haswell GT3 will compete against Richland ?? Intel is becoming irelevent in the iGPU market.

 

[laputan machine]

Sad to see the thread end up like all threads on this subject.
You don't need 3x 15-20 frames per seconds to game comfortable, dozens of millions do it just fine on 30fps. If people want to play on low settings and save a buck doing so, more power to them and we shouldn't tell them off for not being "serious gamers" or anything like that.

Neither intel nor amd is getting irrelevent in the igpu market, both are quickly eating away the low end discrete gpus. AMD is more powerful in that regard, but as far as "good enough" goes, both satisfy a lot of people.

 

[svenge]

And people still believe that Haswell GT3 will compete against Richland ?? Intel is becoming irelevent in the iGPU market.

Intel has a better chance of being relevant in iGPUs than AMD has in becoming relevant in the CPU market.

 

[AtenRa]

Intel has a better chance of being relevant in iGPUs than AMD has in becoming relevant in the CPU market.

Intel cannot be relevant with a full node advantage, with Kaveri GCN graphics it will be a slaughter.

 

[MeldarthX]

http://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-hd-8...s-gpu-performance-unveiled-msi-gx70-notebook/

Its going to get interesting - take it with a pinch of salt....

Also folks; we're still investigating the claim 7750 crossfired with 5800k - which means a world of difference in recommending things....

Would you take Intel + graphics like 7750? Over APU + 7750 when 7750 can be crossefired with the apu?

I know my answer.....I know what I'd tell my clients to get...the question is what would you do; cause if the 7750 crossfires; 99% chance the 7770 crossfires......

 

[Gikaseixas]

Dragon Age, Hawx, Grid, AOE 3, COD MW, DOW, DOW 2 are some of the games i play with my kid on our Llano 3850 powered HTPC.

There are a bunch of older games that run flawlessly on these APU and on HD 4000 intels. IF you are a hardcore gamer these wont cut but for some light gaming theres nothing wrong. Thousand of people use this as they gaming machine. I know a bunch of people on 8800 gtx, HD 2900, 8000 GT, etc. They even know they can't mess with Crysis 3 so they buy cheaper older games at walmart.

 

[Phynaz]

Intel has a better chance of being relevant in iGPUs than AMD has in becoming relevant in the CPU market.

Good point.

 

[Phynaz]

Intel cannot be relevant with a full node advantage, with Kaveri GCN graphics it will be a slaughter.

And? Is that when it will matter?

Funny, with AMD it's always what's on the roadmap and never about what they are shipping.

 

[Phynaz]

Would you take Intel + graphics like 7750? Over APU + 7750 when 7750 can be crossefired with the apu?

If you want a stuttering mess do crossfire. Especially when the GPU's aren't matched.

Intel + discreet will perform better than AMD + discreet.

 

[MeldarthX]

If you want a stuttering mess do crossfire. Especially when the GPU's aren't matched.

Intel + discreet will perform better than AMD + discreet.

Hmmm.....well the guy that claiming says he's not seen any issues - and that is not always the truth and you not it Phynaz...

But I would not recommend a dual core these days at all.....

 

[AtenRa]

And? Is that when it will matter?

Funny, with AMD it's always what's on the roadmap and never about what they are shipping.

They already miles ahead, see first page of current thread for the benchmarks.

It is actually Intel that lagging behind even with a node advantage.

 

[frozentundra123456]

Hmmm.....well the guy that claiming says he's not seen any issues - and that is not always the truth and you not it Phynaz...

But I would not recommend a dual core these days at all.....

Strange how the AMD fans will not recommend a dual core, when it will perform miles ahead of any apu when a discrete card is added, but somehow the Apu is "good enough".

As far as asymmetric crossfire is concerned, I would avoid it until there are published reviews from reliable websites showing first if it is even supported, secondly how the scaling is over a wide variety of games, and third what kind of stuttering issues there are.

 

[frozentundra123456]

They already miles ahead, see first page of current thread for the benchmarks.

It is actually Intel that lagging behind even with a node advantage.

Maybe you should read the entire review which also addressed the superior performance of intel on the cpu side in many common apps. Yes the A10 in ahead in gpu performance, but that simply means it is less inadequate for gaming than an intel igpu.

 

[MeldarthX]

Strange how the AMD fans will not recommend a dual core, when it will perform miles ahead of any apu when a discrete card is added, but somehow the Apu is "good enough".

As far as asymmetric crossfire is concerned, I would avoid it until there are published reviews from reliable websites showing first if it is even supported, secondly how the scaling is over a wide variety of games, and third what kind of stuttering issues there are.

WOW being labeled AMD fan cause I won't recommend dual cores - *whether they are Intel or AMD*

Yes for general use quad core APU would fit people just fine just as a quad core Intel cpu......but you're going to pay more for the Intel......

I give both sides recommendation; and while I've said I don't like Intel business practices *I've seen it first hand* doesn't mean they don't make good tech.

How about we spend less time trying to label people; specially if they don't agree with your views......

 

[Phynaz]

They already miles ahead, see first page of current thread for the benchmarks.

It is actually Intel that lagging behind even with a node advantage.

And so far it doesn't matter. The market has rejected AMD APU's, that's the part you aren't getting.

 

[AtenRa]

Maybe you should read the entire review which also addressed the superior performance of intel on the cpu side in many common apps. Yes the A10 in ahead in gpu performance, but that simply means it is less inadequate for gaming than an intel igpu.

Im only talking about iGPU performance. In iGPU Intel is starting becoming irrelevant. They have a full node advantage and they cannot even overcome Trinity graphics. Richland will still hold the lead and Kaveri will simple destroy any hopes Intel have in iGPU and OpenCL.

 

[AtenRa]

And so far it doesn't matter. The market has rejected AMD APU's, that's the part you aren't getting.

The market simple bought any small volume AMD have provided in the market, thats the part you arent getting.

 

[frozentundra123456]

The market simple bought any small volume AMD have provided in the market, thats the part you arent getting.

Since they paid GF to not produce chips, would that not indicate that there was not sufficient demand?

 

[frozentundra123456]

Im only talking about iGPU performance. In iGPU Intel is starting becoming irrelevant. They have a full node advantage and they cannot even overcome Trinity graphics. Richland will still hold the lead and Kaveri will simple destroy any hopes Intel have in iGPU and OpenCL.

Either igpu is adequate for someone who does not game, it is hardly "irrelevant" to the vast majority of users who do not game on the igp.

 

[Gikaseixas]

Either igpu is adequate for someone who plays older or not very demanding games

Fixed it for you.
They exist you know? In far larger numbers than us.

 

[Phynaz]

Since they paid GF to not produce chips, would that not indicate that there was not sufficient demand?

He ignores this every time it's brought up. He thinks the entire argument is about supply. He can't wrap his brain around the fact that the supply is small because the demand is small.

 

[NTMBK]

He ignores this every time it's brought up. He thinks the entire argument is about supply. He can't wrap his brain around the fact that the supply is small because the demand is small.

Not entirely true in certain circumstances. I built a Llano system for my sister a while back, and it was damn hard to get your hands on an A8-3850 for a long time. There were definitely some supply issues at first, but as far as I know those got sorted out, and now it is (as you say) the weak demand side which is dominating.

 

[USER8000]

Its probably more to with the recession and more people spending their budgets on shiny tablets,instead of a new PC/laptop and a tablet. Even Intel cut sales targets for Ultrabooks:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/ericsavitz/2012/10/05/intel-sp-capital-iq-cuts-ests-on-weak-pc-sales/

It does not mean the ULV CPUs,were failures,its just the market is soft.

The PC market is predicted to suffer a double digit decline in sales this quarter:

http://www.zdnet.com/pc-market-may-suffer-a-double-digit-decline-this-quarter-warns-idc-7000012837/

Both,Intel and AMD have stated weak PC demand in the last six months,and that is in a market with Intel more or less has a large percentage of anyway.

 

[frozentundra123456]

Fixed it for you.
They exist you know? In far larger numbers than us.

You do not need to change my post or put words in my mouth. I clearly stated what I meant to say and do not appreciate people changing it.

Surprisingly to you apparently, I would not recommend an intel igp for ANY gaming, except maybe facebook or Pogo type games.

What I said was what I meant: any igp is sufficient for someone who does not game, which is a large percentage of users. If you want to express your opinion, that is your right. Just do not change my posts to reflect your opinion.

 

[IntelUser2000]

Im only talking about iGPU performance. In iGPU Intel is starting becoming irrelevant. They have a full node advantage and they cannot even overcome Trinity graphics. Richland will still hold the lead and Kaveri will simple destroy any hopes Intel have in iGPU and OpenCL.

Trinity spends about 110mm2 on the GPU part of the die on 32nm process while Ivy Bridge spends only about 40mm2 at 22nm process. Let's say 32nm doubles that to 80mm2.

In mobile, you can see that Trinity holds 20-30% advantage which is roughly equal to the amount they spend on die. Trinity on desktop pulls more power on desktop to get better performance.

Now look at marketshare for both companies. For AMD, about 50/50 is for Desktop/Laptop. For Intel its 35/65. You can see where they focus based on their marketshare.