X800XT-PE Ship Date

[lopri]

October 15th

They gotta be kidding me.

 

[Yanagi]

OMG , I wonder where nVIDIAS 6800UE would be though. Hope its not october for it aswell. anyhow, that just sucks.. :/

 

[Corporate Thug]

you can get an asus or gigabyte by the end of the month

 

[Sonic587]

Settle in for the long wait. I wonder how long it will be until we start seeing prices go down on these new cards with such low supply.

 

[lopri]

I can't help but think it was a paper launch. We all know R300 core is over 2 yrs old. It was quite surprising to see, to begin with, they just added more pipes and bumped the clock speed up on the 9700Pro and called it "X800XT-PE"

Obviously, they hit the ceiling and are not able to yield seizable amount of chips - yeah we're talking about factory-overclock. I mean, come on, same core for 3 years? No wonder they can't produce the chips that qualify for the XT specs. By the time they're available - Oct 15, 2004, ugh - ATI will probably launch the next-gen GPUs. (Of course on paper)

lop

 

[hokahknow]

I have seen places that show the 6800 Ultra with an ETA of 7/22. Looks like that is the way to go.

 

[Safeway]

My XT PE date is still 7/21.

 

[Curley]

I just received an email from PCConnection that stated the "X800XT has been constrained by ATI until Aug 8th".

Today on PriceWatch show one site with the card in stock for a Ridiculous Price of $850.00.

 

[Socio]

Sheesh! Nvidia will have there rumored 512MB 6800 Ultra out by then!

 

[JBT]

October?!!?!?! jeezz!!! I think they may have shot to high? just trying to beat Nvidias card by enough of a margin to make kill the Ultra? But now they can't get enough of them out the door? Seems a bit of a waste. Maybe they should have just scaled back so it was competitive atleast. Though it seems like alot of people are going for NV this round anyways even thought thier top product doesn't really do as well as the XTPE.


Or I'm full of BS cause there aren't to many Ultras around either.

 

[Regs]

The Ultra's have a release date of 7/21 too.

 

[Brian48]

You guys are misunderstanding the ship date posted. This October date is for ordering from ATI's online store. It does not apply to ATI's retail partners who has dibs on the first allocations of cards. Generally, ATI will not sell directly until it's initial order obligations are filled with all it's distribution and OEM partners.

Take it as a GOOD sign. If ATI feels they'll have enough sell directly themselves by October, chances are, EVERYONE will have them in stock long before then.

 

[edmundoab]

Originally posted by: Safeway
My XT PE date is still 7/21.

date given to me was 7/25

but if ATi ships in October 15th. I am going to have to cancel my order.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Brian48
You guys are misunderstanding the ship date posted. This October date is for ordering from ATI's online store. It does not apply to ATI's retail partners who has dibs on the first allocations of cards. Generally, ATI will not sell directly until it's initial order obligations are filled with all it's distribution and OEM partners.

Take it as a GOOD sign. If ATI feels they'll have enough sell directly themselves by October, chances are, EVERYONE will have them in stock long before then.

a good sign?

ATI dropped the ball (nVidia is worse).

By October 15 - SIX (6) months after launch - they will be (finally) generally available.

IF the XT wasN't a Paperlaunch, NOTHING is.

:roll:

 

[Brian48]

Originally posted by: apoppin

IF the XT wasN't a Paperlaunch, NOTHING is.

:roll:

Well then, obviously NOTHING is. A "paperlaunch" implies that this product never even hit the market. That is just not so. The fact of the matter is, the x800xt WAS launched in early Jun and several hundred people picked one up, myself included. No one anticipated the incredible demand for this card based on the sale of previous $500 cards or the fact that Samsung could not keep the production of the necessary memory modules. It's a hot item that's hard to get, not impossible.

 

[rbV5]

Newegg had Powercolor X800XT PE instock earlier today...

 

[CRXican]

Originally posted by: rbV5
Newegg had Powercolor X800XT PE instock earlier today...

ha, that's a good one

 

[lopri]

Hehe.. they just changed the date (ETA: Oct 15th, 2004) to "When Available". Maybe some ATI PR guy noticed this thread?

No one anticipated the incredible demand for this card based on the sale of previous $500 cards or the fact that Samsung could not keep the production of the necessary memory modules. It's a hot item that's hard to get, not impossible.

And you actually sound like one of the ATI PR personnel. (just kidding)
However, blaming Samsung isn't really a smart move. As far as know, X800XT, X800Pro, 6800Ultra, 6800GT use all same type of memory - GDDR3. And apparently X800Pro seem to be much more readily available right now. Sure maybe there could be a timing issue even if they are same type of memory chips, but I don't think that's a good enough excuse to explain a 6-month delay of their flagship product.

I think the problem is the core itself. R300(err.. R400 now ) core is just too aged and you can raise the clock speed only as much. That's why they need to bring up a new core ASAP.

lop

 

[Safeway]

I just want my card...

 

[rbV5]

However, blaming Samsung isn't really a smart move. As far as know, X800XT, X800Pro, 6800Ultra, 6800GT use all same type of memory - GDDR3.

So does the 5700u, something tells me they all don't use the "same" GDDR3 memory.

 

[Pete]

Remind me again why you think the same core that's in the X800P is the constraint? Remember that nV uses the same core for the 6800, GT, *and* U. It makes more sense that 1.2GHz GDDR3 is the constraint, IMO.

But it is probably true that ATi will satisfy the Dells and Alienwares of the world first, the Sapphires/MSIs/Asuses/Powercolors/Visionteks second, and their own web store last. It's just good business sense: why offend board makers by hoarding chips for yourself?

I'm still not convinced these paper launches do anyone any good. You'd think that such a limited supply for a premium part would begin to yield dissatisfied customers after, say, three months?

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Brian48

Originally posted by: apoppin

IF the XT wasN't a Paperlaunch, NOTHING is.

:roll:

Well then, obviously NOTHING is. A "paperlaunch" implies that this product never even hit the market. That is just not so. The fact of the matter is, the x800xt WAS launched in early Jun and several hundred people picked one up, myself included. No one anticipated the incredible demand for this card based on the sale of previous $500 cards or the fact that Samsung could not keep the production of the necessary memory modules. It's a hot item that's hard to get, not impossible.

you work for ATI, right?
(or are the fanATIc of the year)

:roll:

no one. . . BS . . . anticipated . . . BS . . . demand . . . BS . . .

Now it's samsung's fault
(where was ati and their "back-up" plan)

:roll:

not not "impossible" . . . if you are: 1) a reviewer; 2)win win the 'gpu lotto' so it APPEARS someone is actually getting them BESIDES (3) oems (who are undoubtedly selling them); 4) are willing to pay over MSRP

The above IS the definition of PaperLaunch: something that really looks awesome on paper but is UNavailable to the general consumer

you see them at retailers yet?



:roll:

 

[Cuular]

The above IS the definition of PaperLaunch: something that really looks awesome on paper but is UNavailable to the general consumer

I'm as general a consumer as you get, and I got my X800XT PE a while ago. Maybe I just got lucky, but I ordered it from CompUSA about a week or so after it showed up on their site, and received it mid june.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Cuular

The above IS the definition of PaperLaunch: something that really looks awesome on paper but is UNavailable to the general consumer

I'm as general a consumer as you get, and I got my X800XT PE a while ago. Maybe I just got lucky, but I ordered it from CompUSA about a week or so after it showed up on their site, and received it mid june.

Covered. exception #2:

2) win the 'gpu lotto' so it APPEARS someone is actually getting them

:roll:


some people even have the 6800Ultra

ROTFL

 

[Brian48]

Originally posted by: rbV5

However, blaming Samsung isn't really a smart move. As far as know, X800XT, X800Pro, 6800Ultra, 6800GT use all same type of memory - GDDR3.

So does the 5700u, something tells me they all don't use the "same" GDDR3 memory.

That's what I'm trying to get at. Except for the 6800Ultra, NONE of the cards mentioned use the SAME memory (ie. Samsung K4J55323QF-GC16 GDDR3) that the higher end x800xt uses. The yields for the faster grade chips are always lower and harder to produce. This has been a problem with the memory industry for years now and it doesn't just apply to video RAM.

FYI, the x800Pro uses the slower K4J55323QF-GC20, which evidently is more plentiful. I'm not saying that either ATI or nVidia shouldn't have anticipated this, it's just that they're not completely at fault here.