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X800XT-PE Ship Date
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Lifer
you can get an asus or gigabyte by the end of the month
lopri
Elite Member
I can't help but think it was a paper launch. We all know R300 core is over 2 yrs old. It was quite surprising to see, to begin with, they just added more pipes and bumped the clock speed up on the 9700Pro and called it "X800XT-PE"
Obviously, they hit the ceiling and are not able to yield seizable amount of chips - yeah we're talking about factory-overclock. I mean, come on, same core for 3 years? No wonder they can't produce the chips that qualify for the XT specs. By the time they're available - Oct 15, 2004, ugh - ATI will probably launch the next-gen GPUs. (Of course on paper)
lop
Obviously, they hit the ceiling and are not able to yield seizable amount of chips - yeah we're talking about factory-overclock. I mean, come on, same core for 3 years? No wonder they can't produce the chips that qualify for the XT specs. By the time they're available - Oct 15, 2004, ugh - ATI will probably launch the next-gen GPUs. (Of course on paper)
lop
October?!!?!?! jeezz!!! I think they may have shot to high? just trying to beat Nvidias card by enough of a margin to make kill the Ultra? But now they can't get enough of them out the door? Seems a bit of a waste. Maybe they should have just scaled back so it was competitive atleast. Though it seems like alot of people are going for NV this round anyways even thought thier top product doesn't really do as well as the XTPE.
Or I'm full of BS cause there aren't to many Ultras around either.
Or I'm full of BS cause there aren't to many Ultras around either.
You guys are misunderstanding the ship date posted. This October date is for ordering from ATI's online store. It does not apply to ATI's retail partners who has dibs on the first allocations of cards. Generally, ATI will not sell directly until it's initial order obligations are filled with all it's distribution and OEM partners.
Take it as a GOOD sign. If ATI feels they'll have enough sell directly themselves by October, chances are, EVERYONE will have them in stock long before then.
Take it as a GOOD sign. If ATI feels they'll have enough sell directly themselves by October, chances are, EVERYONE will have them in stock long before then.
Well then, obviously NOTHING is. A "paperlaunch" implies that this product never even hit the market. That is just not so. The fact of the matter is, the x800xt WAS launched in early Jun and several hundred people picked one up, myself included. No one anticipated the incredible demand for this card based on the sale of previous $500 cards or the fact that Samsung could not keep the production of the necessary memory modules. It's a hot item that's hard to get, not impossible.
lopri
Elite Member
Hehe.. they just changed the date (ETA: Oct 15th, 2004) to "When Available". Maybe some ATI PR guy noticed this thread? 😀
And you actually sound like one of the ATI PR personnel. 😉 (just kidding)
However, blaming Samsung isn't really a smart move. As far as know, X800XT, X800Pro, 6800Ultra, 6800GT use all same type of memory - GDDR3. And apparently X800Pro seem to be much more readily available right now. Sure maybe there could be a timing issue even if they are same type of memory chips, but I don't think that's a good enough excuse to explain a 6-month delay of their flagship product.
I think the problem is the core itself. R300(err.. R400 now 😉) core is just too aged and you can raise the clock speed only as much. That's why they need to bring up a new core ASAP.
lop
And you actually sound like one of the ATI PR personnel. 😉 (just kidding)
However, blaming Samsung isn't really a smart move. As far as know, X800XT, X800Pro, 6800Ultra, 6800GT use all same type of memory - GDDR3. And apparently X800Pro seem to be much more readily available right now. Sure maybe there could be a timing issue even if they are same type of memory chips, but I don't think that's a good enough excuse to explain a 6-month delay of their flagship product.
I think the problem is the core itself. R300(err.. R400 now 😉) core is just too aged and you can raise the clock speed only as much. That's why they need to bring up a new core ASAP.
lop
Remind me again why you think the same core that's in the X800P is the constraint? Remember that nV uses the same core for the 6800, GT, *and* U. It makes more sense that 1.2GHz GDDR3 is the constraint, IMO.
But it is probably true that ATi will satisfy the Dells and Alienwares of the world first, the Sapphires/MSIs/Asuses/Powercolors/Visionteks second, and their own web store last. It's just good business sense: why offend board makers by hoarding chips for yourself?
I'm still not convinced these paper launches do anyone any good. You'd think that such a limited supply for a premium part would begin to yield dissatisfied customers after, say, three months?
But it is probably true that ATi will satisfy the Dells and Alienwares of the world first, the Sapphires/MSIs/Asuses/Powercolors/Visionteks second, and their own web store last. It's just good business sense: why offend board makers by hoarding chips for yourself?
I'm still not convinced these paper launches do anyone any good. You'd think that such a limited supply for a premium part would begin to yield dissatisfied customers after, say, three months?
apoppin
Lifer
you work for ATI, right?
(or are the fanATIc of the year)
:roll:
no one. . . BS . . . anticipated . . . BS . . . demand . . . BS . . . 😛
Now it's samsung's fault 😛
(where was ati and their "back-up" plan)
:roll:
not not "impossible" . . . if you are: 1) a reviewer; 2)win win the 'gpu lotto' so it APPEARS someone is actually getting them BESIDES (3) oems (who are undoubtedly selling them); 4) are willing to pay over MSRP
The above IS the definition of PaperLaunch: something that really looks awesome on paper but is UNavailable to the general consumer
you see them at retailers yet?
😛
:roll:
That's what I'm trying to get at. Except for the 6800Ultra, NONE of the cards mentioned use the SAME memory (ie. Samsung K4J55323QF-GC16 GDDR3) that the higher end x800xt uses. The yields for the faster grade chips are always lower and harder to produce. This has been a problem with the memory industry for years now and it doesn't just apply to video RAM.
FYI, the x800Pro uses the slower K4J55323QF-GC20, which evidently is more plentiful. I'm not saying that either ATI or nVidia shouldn't have anticipated this, it's just that they're not completely at fault here.
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