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Originally posted by: iamme
Originally posted by: cruiser1338
Originally posted by: Homerboy
Originally posted by: cruiser1338
You guys notice that everything is compared to the iPod? Why? Because it sets the standard for portable music players, and as such, why would you go with anything that isn't an iPod? Unless what you buy is an iPod, nothing will exactly meet the standards, because they are based on the iPod.

Don't go substandard and just go and buy an iPod.

Er... no. Becuase it is teh one to beat SOLELY based on its sales #s.
Nobody is going to compare their mp3 player to something NOBODY has heard of. That would be pretty piss poor marketing wouldn't it?

You can NOT argue that iRiver and other companies such as this do not offer a better product, for less money over the ipod.

Er... yes. You know why the sales numbers are so good? Because it is a good product that can't be beat. It does set the standard with the numbers, and the numbers are there because of the quality of the product. When your product is supposed to be the best, you compare it to the current 'best'. The problem is that you can't compare to an iPod and win. The iPod always wins out in functionality, compatibility, controls, styling and pricing. Simple truth.

wrong, wrong, wrong.

iPod is marketed 1000X more heavily than all the other mp3 players combined.

no doubt the iPod is a very nice mp3 player, but it isn't the best just because everyone's buying it. that horrible logic and shows that you've bought into their marketing hype.

that's the only mp3 player non-techies/non-audiophiles have heard of.

dunno about that. creative even put up billboards along the freeways here:p
 

Gurck

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Originally posted by: UNCjigga
You do realize that iTunes reorganizes all your music for you, based on Artist, Album, Song (and even renames files so everything makes more sense.)
Are you trying to prove my point for me by actually arguing that itunes facilitates in renaming & retagging thousands of downloaded mp3s? :confused:

Anyway, my music is organized perfectly for me, by me. itunes could only detract from this.
Originally posted by: cruiser1338
Er... yes. You know why the sales numbers are so good? Because it is a good product that can't be beat. It does set the standard with the numbers, and the numbers are there because of the quality of the product. When your product is supposed to be the best, you compare it to the current 'best'. The problem is that you can't compare to an iPod and win. The iPod always wins out in functionality, compatibility, controls, styling and pricing. Simple truth.
By your logic AOL is a great ISP, Bose makes great speakers and Fear Factor is good entertainment. Quality means jack sh!t in this age of television; marketing is what truly matters, since very few people do any research on what they're buying.
 

EmperorIQ

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Originally posted by: cruiser1338
Originally posted by: Homerboy
Originally posted by: cruiser1338
You guys notice that everything is compared to the iPod? Why? Because it sets the standard for portable music players, and as such, why would you go with anything that isn't an iPod? Unless what you buy is an iPod, nothing will exactly meet the standards, because they are based on the iPod.

Don't go substandard and just go and buy an iPod.

Er... no. Becuase it is teh one to beat SOLELY based on its sales #s.
Nobody is going to compare their mp3 player to something NOBODY has heard of. That would be pretty piss poor marketing wouldn't it?

You can NOT argue that iRiver and other companies such as this do not offer a better product, for less money over the ipod.

Er... yes. You know why the sales numbers are so good? Because it is a good product that can't be beat. It does set the standard with the numbers, and the numbers are there because of the quality of the product. When your product is supposed to be the best, you compare it to the current 'best'. The problem is that you can't compare to an iPod and win. The iPod always wins out in functionality, compatibility, controls, styling and pricing. Simple truth.

the numbers are good because its more of a fashion accessory, not an mp3 player to the majority of its users. At least thats how I feel. Same thing can be said about trucker hats, do they protect you from the sun any better than regular caps? no, but why are they selling more? Its fashion. Oh, and, no, ipod doesn't win with styling, i hate that bubble, rounded edge look.

btw, i'm considering buying a hd based mp3 player, and based on reviews the ipod does have better sound quality. I am also looking at the iriver h10 (20gb) and creative zen (20gb) both not out yet in US.
 

Gurck

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Originally posted by: EmperorIQ
i'm considering buying a hd based mp3 player, and based on reviews the ipod does have better sound quality. I am also looking at the iriver h10 (20gb) and creative zen (20gb) both not out yet in US.
Ipod's one of the worst sounding players out of the headphone jack for a few reasons. If this is a point of concern for you, look into Iaudio (aka Cowan aka Jetaudio), Iriver and especially Rio. Only problem with the Rios is they don't support UMS and I'm not aware of any with recording capabilities or a tuner. On the other hand, the Karma is the only player supporting gapless playback afaik.
 

iamme

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Originally posted by: Gurck
By your logic AOL is a great ISP, Bose makes great speakers and Fear Factor is good entertainment. Quality means jack sh!t in this age of television; marketing is what truly matters, since very few people do any research on what they're buying.

but, but, but, Bose isn't the best?

say it ain't so, Guruk, say it ain't so!
 

40Hands

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Gota love the people who jump in to defend apple by calling everyone who doesn't like the iPod "apple haters" or "haters of anything mainstream" Its actually pretty funny.

Gmini 400 is what I own
 

krackato

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Why do I even care to find out what this Guruck thing is about?

After reading the review, here's what I like and dislike about this player as far as I can tell:

Like
1. It looks great
2. Play mp3, ogg, wav, and Flac
3. Supposedly better sound than an iPod with a 95db s/n ratio
4. Good battery life at 14 hours +
5. FM Radio, FM Radio Recordings
6. Voice Recordings
7. Line-In Recording
8. Photo viewing
9. Video viewing

Negatives
1. id3 tags don't work (what the hell?!)
2. Doesn't support Microsoft's DRM 10 which is named Janus which I guess means you can't buy tracks from.... anywhere. I couldn't have cared less until Yahoo released their music store to listen to all you want for $5 a month, which I figured was a good deal.
3. I can't find a place to buy one. I've only looked at Amazon, so maybe that's my fault. Where can you get one of these.

Honestly, the 2 negatives really piss me off since they could both be accomplished in firmware and I have no idea why on god's green earth a player wouldn't support ID3 tags. But there's a ton of people who don't care about ID3 tags and even more people who don't care about buying music online. So this might be the player for them. Honestly, if it just had id3 tags and I could find where the hell to buy it, I'd be all over it.
 

Gurck

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Originally posted by: krackato
Why do I even care to find out what this Guruck thing is about?

After reading the review, here's what I like and dislike about this player as far as I can tell:

Like
1. It looks great
2. Play mp3, ogg, wav, and Flac
3. Supposedly better sound than an iPod with a 95db s/n ratio
4. Good battery life at 14 hours +
5. FM Radio, FM Radio Recordings
6. Voice Recordings
7. Line-In Recording
8. Photo viewing
9. Video viewing

Negatives
1. id3 tags don't work (what the hell?!)
2. Doesn't support Microsoft's DRM 10 which is named Janus which I guess means you can't buy tracks from.... anywhere. I couldn't have cared less until Yahoo released their music store to listen to all you want for $5 a month, which I figured was a good deal.
3. I can't find a place to buy one. I've only looked at Amazon, so maybe that's my fault. Where can you get one of these.

Honestly, the 2 negatives really piss me off since they could both be accomplished in firmware and I have no idea why on god's green earth a player wouldn't support ID3 tags. But there's a ton of people who don't care about ID3 tags and even more people who don't care about buying music online. So this might be the player for them. Honestly, if it just had id3 tags and I could find where the hell to buy it, I'd be all over it.
Guess it's a case of 'one man's junk'... I'd personally rather sort by directory structure & filename, I'd never purchase lossy music or DRM'd music, and look harder.
 

EmperorIQ

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Originally posted by: Gurck
Originally posted by: EmperorIQ
i'm considering buying a hd based mp3 player, and based on reviews the ipod does have better sound quality. I am also looking at the iriver h10 (20gb) and creative zen (20gb) both not out yet in US.
Ipod's one of the worst sounding players out of the headphone jack for a few reasons. If this is a point of concern for you, look into Iaudio (aka Cowan aka Jetaudio), Iriver and especially Rio. Only problem with the Rios is they don't support UMS and I'm not aware of any with recording capabilities or a tuner. On the other hand, the Karma is the only player supporting gapless playback afaik.

hey, thanks for the suggestions! so you would recommend the h10 over an ipod?
 

EmperorIQ

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Originally posted by: BroeBo
Gota love the people who jump in to defend apple by calling everyone who doesn't like the iPod "apple haters" or "haters of anything mainstream" Its actually pretty funny.

Gmini 400 is what I own

i looked at the gmini 400 also, i don't think I need to use it for its game play capabilities, and i don't like the look of it, however, I have yet to see one in person, so that might change how I feel. I take back what i said earlier about ipods having better quality sound, i remember gmini reviews having better ratings.

Do you know where I can go that has the gmini 400 on display?
 

Aharami

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Originally posted by: Gurck
Originally posted by: EmperorIQ
i'm considering buying a hd based mp3 player, and based on reviews the ipod does have better sound quality. I am also looking at the iriver h10 (20gb) and creative zen (20gb) both not out yet in US.
Ipod's one of the worst sounding players out of the headphone jack for a few reasons. If this is a point of concern for you, look into Iaudio (aka Cowan aka Jetaudio), Iriver and especially Rio. Only problem with the Rios is they don't support UMS and I'm not aware of any with recording capabilities or a tuner. On the other hand, the Karma is the only player supporting gapless playback afaik.

i'll vouch for this. got my gf an ipod mini. even though she loves it, i cant stand the audio quality. it might be the headphones, but i shouldnt have to buy new headphones to get good quality music out of a $200 mp3 player. the whole unit left me dissatisfied.

and itunes suck major monkey ass too. took me quite a while to figure out how to transfer one song from my comp to her ipod without erasing all the songs in her ipod. why couldnt apple make it drag and drop?!?
 

40Hands

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Originally posted by: EmperorIQ
Originally posted by: BroeBo
Gota love the people who jump in to defend apple by calling everyone who doesn't like the iPod "apple haters" or "haters of anything mainstream" Its actually pretty funny.

Gmini 400 is what I own

i looked at the gmini 400 also, i don't think I need to use it for its game play capabilities, and i don't like the look of it, however, I have yet to see one in person, so that might change how I feel. I take back what i said earlier about ipods having better quality sound, i remember gmini reviews having better ratings.

Do you know where I can go that has the gmini 400 on display?

No place that I know of has it on display. I dont use it for games, its not really built to play them. I can tell you that its perfect for music and video though. Its almost identical in size and weight to the iPod.
 

Gurck

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Originally posted by: Aharami
i'll vouch for this. got my gf an ipod mini. even though she loves it, i cant stand the audio quality. it might be the headphones, but i shouldnt have to buy new headphones to get good quality music out of a $200 mp3 player. the whole unit left me dissatisfied.

and itunes suck major monkey ass too. took me quite a while to figure out how to transfer one song from my comp to her ipod without erasing all the songs in her ipod. why couldnt apple make it drag and drop?!?
Well, on the quality, the reasons I was referring to are a) bass attenuation; this conserves battery life but removes the lower frequency impact from music, resulting in a sound often called "tinny" b) a high THD figure. It's not the only factor in quality sound, but, kind of like a CPU's mhz rating, it's a general indicator. the ipod's is 0.42%; the commonly accepted audible threshold is 0.1%, and the iriver's is 0.04% c) non-customizable EQ. While many claim a flat EQ is best, what they're not taking note of is that every speaker and headphone has its own signature and is akin to listening with a unique EQ setting. Many like to tailor the EQ for a more fun sound and many others like to try to offset their particular setup's strengths and weaknesses.

That it comes with awful phones is a given - most DAPs do. The exceptions are some Rio and some Iriver models, which come with the least expensive Sennheiser earbuds. They're a step up, but barely. I actually agree with garbage buds; as an enthusiast I'll be replacing them anyway, so I'd rather they make up only a dollar or so of the DAP's price rather than $10, $20, etc.
 

torpid

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In the x5 when you navigate, can you add various albums and tracks to a playlist in real time and/or do the zen style "now playing" type thing? I've not yet used a file based navigation system that could do this, which is one of the things I do regularly with my karma. Sometimes I want to hear all of my albums from a certain band, or do stuff like listen to my favorite songs. If the x5 supports these types of things (the former you could do by allowing to play all in a folder and all subfolders, the latter shouldn't require id3), it would be a lot more appealing. Anyone know if it does?

Also, sometimes file structures can either require duplicates or simply not offer all the options. For example, do I put the santana song sung by Dido under santana or dido? Realistically I want it to show up under both.
 

krackato

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Well, I've got 2 of my other friends considering the player. One of us will crack and buy it. Honestly, the id3 thing annoys me to no end, but I guess in the back of my mind I keep thinking "Buy it.... they'll fix it with a firmware...." Then again I was stupid enough to think Apple would support Ogg Vorbis back in the day and no, they didn't.
 

KingNothing

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Originally posted by: krackato
Well, I've got 2 of my other friends considering the player. One of us will crack and buy it. Honestly, the id3 thing annoys me to no end, but I guess in the back of my mind I keep thinking "Buy it.... they'll fix it with a firmware...." Then again I was stupid enough to think Apple would support Ogg Vorbis back in the day and no, they didn't.

iAudiophile full review of the X5

According to his review Cowon responded favorably to his reports of firmware bugs. I get the feeling that ID3 support in a future firmware release is likely. Why it's not here now is beyond me, but whatever, the player does EVERYTHING else.
 

Siva

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People who complain about no ID3 should realize that you can organize files into folders on your own. Maybe it takes 10 minutes more, but if you keep organized collections of mp3s on your computer like I do it shouldn't be a big problem. You can also use your winamp playlist, and I think there is already a third party program that does ID3 organizing. Plus if you want to organize files in a way other than ID3 tags anything is possible.

The iAudio X5 is by far the coolest mp3 player I have ever seen. You can store any filetype on it, it hooks up with other USB devices and can grab files from them, it has a beautiful screen and is cheap as hell considering its features.

I will sacrifice a pretty little wheel that feels nice to spin for the increased functionality and better price (vs ipod w/color screen).
 

Excelsior

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Originally posted by: Gurck
Originally posted by: krackato
Why do I even care to find out what this Guruck thing is about?

After reading the review, here's what I like and dislike about this player as far as I can tell:

Like
1. It looks great
2. Play mp3, ogg, wav, and Flac
3. Supposedly better sound than an iPod with a 95db s/n ratio
4. Good battery life at 14 hours +
5. FM Radio, FM Radio Recordings
6. Voice Recordings
7. Line-In Recording
8. Photo viewing
9. Video viewing

Negatives
1. id3 tags don't work (what the hell?!)
2. Doesn't support Microsoft's DRM 10 which is named Janus which I guess means you can't buy tracks from.... anywhere. I couldn't have cared less until Yahoo released their music store to listen to all you want for $5 a month, which I figured was a good deal.
3. I can't find a place to buy one. I've only looked at Amazon, so maybe that's my fault. Where can you get one of these.

Honestly, the 2 negatives really piss me off since they could both be accomplished in firmware and I have no idea why on god's green earth a player wouldn't support ID3 tags. But there's a ton of people who don't care about ID3 tags and even more people who don't care about buying music online. So this might be the player for them. Honestly, if it just had id3 tags and I could find where the hell to buy it, I'd be all over it.
Guess it's a case of 'one man's junk'... I'd personally rather sort by directory structure & filename, I'd never purchase lossy music or DRM'd music, and look harder.

I agree, believe it or not, with you.
 

Skiguy411

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Man I'm debating if its time to upgrade my iRiver H120. However, rockbox has finally got things rolling with their firmware for the H120 and its looks promising.

Decisions...decisions
 

computeerrgghh

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Originally posted by: cruiser1338
he product. When your product is supposed to be the best, you compare it to the current 'best'. The problem is that you can't compare to an iPod and win. The iPod always wins out in functionality, compatibility, controls, styling and pricing. Simple truth.

You are joking right? Or maybe my sarcasm meter is broken... **tap** **tap**
 

Excelsior

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Originally posted by: Skiguy411
Man I'm debating if its time to upgrade my iRiver H120. However, rockbox has finally got things rolling with their firmware for the H120 and its looks promising.

Decisions...decisions

Well..just ask yourself, what doesn't your 120 do that you would like to have? If you wan't the ability to put pics from your digicam on your dap, view them, maybe watch video clips, listen to flac files..then maybe get the X5.