X2 steppings.

[Synomenon]

I know there have been many posts regarding different steppings, but after reading those threads, it's still not clear to me what the differences are. I'm looking at getting a X2 3800+ and these are AMD's pages for the E4 and E6 steppings. It doesn't look like there are any differences at all:

http://www.amdcompare.com/us-en/desktop/details.aspx?opn=ADA3800DAA5CD

http://www.amdcompare.com/us-en/desktop/details.aspx?opn=ADA3800DAA5BV

 

[foodfightr]

Unless you plan to overclock every last MHZ out of them, for all intensive purposes they are pretty much the same.

If you do plan to overclock, then it is a matter of opinion.

 

[Synomenon]

Anyone know where I can get an E6 X2 3800+?

 

[kyleb]

Originally posted by: foodfightr
Unless you plan to overclock every last MHZ out of them, for all intensive purposes they are pretty much the same.

If you do plan to overclock, then it is a matter of opinion.

For all intents and purposes. Ugh.

 

[Synomenon]

Is the version that Newegg carries, an E6 stepping version:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103562


It has the same model number listed on AMD's page for the E6 3800+:
http://www.amdcompare.com/us-en/desktop/details.aspx?opn=ADA3800DAA5CD

 

[dainthomas]

Originally posted by: kyleb

Originally posted by: foodfightr
Unless you plan to overclock every last MHZ out of them, for all intensive purposes they are pretty much the same.

If you do plan to overclock, then it is a matter of opinion.

For all intents and purposes. Ugh.

Spelling police ftw!!!!!!111!! 😛

 

[RussianSensation]

For all intents and purposes if you want to overclock, you get Opteron 165.

 

[Synomenon]

Originally posted by: IsLNdbOi
Is the version that Newegg carries, an E6 stepping version:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103562


It has the same model number listed on AMD's page for the E6 3800+:
http://www.amdcompare.com/us-en/desktop/details.aspx?opn=ADA3800DAA5CD

Anyone?

 

[alimoalem]

if you don't plan on OCing, just get the one on newegg

 

[jimbob200521]

ive always heard that the e6 stepping is a better overclocker than the e4. and from the looks of it, the one you liked to in newegg appears to be the e6 stepping.

 

[Synomenon]

Thanks for the info. guys. Reason I asked about the model on Newegg is that I've read in several places now that the E6 X2 3800+ had Toledo Cores while the one on Newegg has a Manchester Core.

 

[Synomenon]

Anyone have any info. on the E6 X2 3800+ cores? Are they supposed to be Toledo? Or did they release E6 X2 3800+'s with Manchester cores as well?

 

[ribbon13]

Opteron 165 FTW.

 

[Serch]

For all the insensitive and pornography, take an Opteron 165, 170 or 175. I have choosen 170 for my system, it is arriving on Tuesday from the United States to Argentina specially for me 🙂

At first I chose 175, but changed the order to 170 coz there is a difference of 136 USD for just 200 Mhz, or 400 in an hypotetical sitatuation of 11x400.. and I plan to make some overclock.. of about 500 Mhz / 600 Mhz

 

[Synomenon]

Originally posted by: IsLNdbOi
Anyone have any info. on the E6 X2 3800+ cores? Are they supposed to be Toledo? Or did they release E6 X2 3800+'s with Manchester cores as well?

...

 

[Serch]

E4 and E6 they are all manchester, my man.

L2 cache is 512.

Thats why everyone is picking Opterons, all of them have 1Mb. Addind to that, X2 have 1 HT link, and opterons have 3.

 

[Synomenon]

Right now I have an A64 3500+. I think it's 2.2GHz. The X2 3800+ is 2.0GHz and the Opteron 165 is only 1.8GHz. That's 400MHz less than what I have now (if I go with the Opteron). Is that loss of 400MHz worth the extra L2 Cache? Also, AMD's page doesn't show if the Opteron 165 has L1 Cache.

E6 X2 3800+
http://www.amdcompare.com/us-en/desktop/details.aspx?opn=ADA3800DAA5CD


E6 Opteron 165
http://www.amdcompare.com/us%2Den/opteron/details.aspx?opn=OSA165CDBOX


Newegg Comparison Page:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductCo...103562,N82E16819103588&SubCategory=343

 

[Serch]

You are missing something:

Dual-core. You can't compare the Ghz between single-core and dual-core.
Applications and games are heading to multi-core systems. If you overclock, with an Opteron 165 or 175 you can reach 2.7 easily.

If you still don't wanting dual-core, head for single cores Opterons:

AMD Opteron 146 (E4 version) 200x10=2.0
AMD Opteron 148 (E4 version) 200x11=2.2
AMD Opteron 150 (E4 version) 200x12=2.4
AMD Opteron 154 (E4 version) 200x14=2.8

EDIT: And remember you can always have a mild overvclock with stock coolers on Opterons and gain that 400 Mhz you want.

 

[Serch]

Yes they all have L1 cache. And what matters is the L2 cache and the 3 HTT links isntead of one. Plus X2 needs 1.45 volts to work, while Opterons needs 1.35. That would mean that you can overclock it to 2.0 or 2.2 if you want without needing extracooling or sometimes not giving anymore volts to the chip

take a look
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/Pro...nformation/0,,30_118_8796_9240,00.html

 

[Synomenon]

Thanks guys! I guess for only $33.00 more the Opteron 165 is the better deal. 😉

 

[Serch]

Good choice :thumbsup:

I know that in USA optys are running out like water, one must think why hehe

 

[Synomenon]

Oh one more thing I just noticed. The HyperTransport Bus speed is 2GHz on the X2 3800+ and only 1GHz on the Opteron...

 

[jasonlclei]

E4 and E6??
When i check my msinfo32, it shows up as stepping 1........
OMG, i got it like less than 2 months ago too

 

[Serch]

Originally posted by: IsLNdbOi
Oh one more thing I just noticed. The HyperTransport Bus speed is 2GHz on the X2 3800+ and only 1GHz on the Opteron...

where did you see that? 1000 Ghz is the bus frecuency of Ht on both of them.

I guess you make a mistake and read the operating frecuency of the 3800 (that is, 2000 Mhz or 2.0 Ghz)

check

opteron: http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/Pro...nformation/0,,30_118_8796_9240,00.html

x2: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103562#DetailSpecs

c ya!

 

[Serch]

Originally posted by: jasonlclei
E4 and E6??
When i check my msinfo32, it shows up as stepping 1........
OMG, i got it like less than 2 months ago too

I suggest using CPU-Z to see CPU information, it will show you ifits E4 or E6:

http://www.cpuid.com/

(look at the left menu, at the top you can find "software")

I guess E4 and E6 is shown in the "Revision" line.