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That,s a good idea 1950X2. I will email him.
Yea i'm grabbing some fast ram when i sell my 7800gs.
Yea i'm grabbing some fast ram when i sell my 7800gs.
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Originally posted by: apoppin
next time you write them, mention x1950p X2
i'd really need to O/C my P4 and get a better PS ... for an XT
Hey Apoppin, He mailed back!
All we know is about the first one. When I asked Nvidia about one I got the cold shoulder so I would not plan on it.
As for Powercolor, they said not to plan on another card after this but they also said you never know.
Bosco
----- Original Message -----
From: joe lomman
To: Dave@OCC
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 6:21 PM
Subject: Re: CES 2007 coverage, reviewed on Jan.5
Hey, since I have your attention. Any word on a x1950proX2 AGP card?
Is Nvidea gonna counter with any higher end AGP cards?
Thanks alot my friend , Many AGP users
apoppin
Lifer
a 1950pX2 is really *overkill* for an AGP system ... all but the very most elite and probably O/C'd.
even 1950xt is pushing it ...
and *what* ... no xtx version?
i really think nvidia wants to kill AGP ... right now
... depends on ATi ... demand ...etc
i wouldn't look beyond 1950xt
[and i sure as heck didn't expect it ... what do you think $299?]
:Q
even 1950xt is pushing it ...
and *what* ... no xtx version?
i really think nvidia wants to kill AGP ... right now
... depends on ATi ... demand ...etc
i wouldn't look beyond 1950xt
[and i sure as heck didn't expect it ... what do you think $299?]
:Q
Originally posted by: apoppin
a 1950pX2 is really *overkill* for an AGP system ... all but the very most elite and probably O/C'd.
even 1950xt is pushing it ...
and *what* ... no xtx version?
i really think nvidia wants to kill AGP ... right now
... depends on ATi ... demand ...etc
i wouldn't look beyond 1950xt
[and i sure as heck didn't expect it ... what do you think $299?]
:Q
how much faster do you want for an AGP system...I don't think that there are too many AGP rigs that could really let one of these cards stretch their legs....maybe some of the few NF3 X2 or Asrock C2D AGP rigs might come close, but for your average AGP rig (P4 or A64)....anything faster would be overkill.
apoppin
Lifer
that IS what i said
i'd have to get 4+Ghz from my P4 2.80C to even work it
[now that would be a nice O/C instead of my meager 3.31Ghz]
i'd have to get 4+Ghz from my P4 2.80C to even work it
[now that would be a nice O/C instead of my meager 3.31Ghz]
Originally posted by: apoppin
that IS what i said
i'd have to get 4+Ghz from my P4 2.80C to even work it
[now that would be a nice O/C instead of my meager 3.31Ghz]
Dunno man.. I wouldn't drop the money on a 1950xt AGP nm a 1950X2.. I'd go for a PCIx upgrade.. Better cpu, better chipsets/boards and more futureproof.. It's like trying to keep an old man on his feet..
Much wiser if you ask me..
I hope you don't misunderstand me.. Peace..
Its called high IQ settings, its already proven as a fact that a having a 3ghz Core 2 extreme will get you nothing over an Athlon 4800+ in a visually demanding game like Oblivion.
Card not "stretching its legs"? Crank up the friggin AA/Anis! That being said it should be not that hard to rig a X1950XT core on a X1950pro pcb.
Card not "stretching its legs"? Crank up the friggin AA/Anis! That being said it should be not that hard to rig a X1950XT core on a X1950pro pcb.
That's true if we are talking for >=UXGA resolutions with full AA... A gpu limited resolution is always a gpu limited resolution no doubt about that..
But if we are talking about a single core Northwood/Prescott(even with a Pentium D) and compare it with a dual core E6300/6400 then even with the IQ settings cranked up (up to 1600x1200) you'll still see important differences in performance..
Well actualy even in 1600x1200 you can cull your processor with enough IQ in just about everything made in the last 2 years.
But still you are right about Netburst, an Athlon 64 running atleast 2300mhz it would be worth it though.
But still you are right about Netburst, an Athlon 64 running atleast 2300mhz it would be worth it though.
Actually it does makes sense.
The 8800's are DX 10 cards as the R600 will be.
The x1900's series have nothing to do with the 8800 series.
The competitor for AGP ATI's X1900XT is the APG Gainward 7800GS+ 512MB bliss (24 pipe 7900 core)
That ATI releases a 1900 AGP card has nothing logically to do with the 8800 series.
Both ATI and NVIDIA have competing (series) AGP cards now.
A AGP 8800 series card only have relevans if there comes a AGP R600 series card.
And what if in an unlikely scenario Nvidia decides to get in first and release an 8 series AGP card....most likely an 8600 based card...your post is still jiberish at best.
Words you need to look up:
Ignoratio elenchi
Argumentum ad hominem
Both are fallcies and you just commited both.
My system will let one of these cards stretch their legs. I would not mind another mid-high end AGP for another year.
Alex
apoppin
Lifer
Originally posted by: jim1976
Originally posted by: apoppin
that IS what i said
i'd have to get 4+Ghz from my P4 2.80C to even work it
[now that would be a nice O/C instead of my meager 3.31Ghz]
Dunno man.. I wouldn't drop the money on a 1950xt AGP nm a 1950X2.. I'd go for a PCIx upgrade.. Better cpu, better chipsets/boards and more futureproof.. It's like trying to keep an old man on his feet..
Much wiser if you ask me..
I hope you don't misunderstand me.. Peace..
. . . no ... no . . . no . . . NO ... NO!
:Q
i am agreeing with you ... look back at my posts [if you can stand to re-read them]
... i am speaking in *hypotheticals* getting a 4+Ghz O/C outta a P4 is pretty darn hard ...
i would probably need a VERY O/C'able [and probably expensive CPU] ... very expensive memory [that would go in the trash for my next system] ... water cooling .... and for WHAT? ... nostalgia?
having a "VW" go as fast as a Porsche for almost the same price?
my whole *point* IS bang-for-buck ... keeping my 3+ yearl old system "current" by simply upgrading my videocard ... a less than $150 upgrade ...
what i suggested was whimsy ... IF i could keep my old system another two years ...
naw ...
i AM looking forward to a completely new {pcie2} system next year.
[i also managed to s-t-r-e-t-c-h the uselfulness of my Tualatin P3 system for an extra year with a good o/c and a GPU upgrade]
Originally posted by: apoppin
. . . no ... no . . . no . . . NO ... NO!
:Q
i am agreeing with you ... look back at my posts [if you can stand to re-read them]
... i am speaking in *hypotheticals* getting a 4+Ghz O/C outta a P4 is pretty darn hard ...
i would probably need a VERY O/C'able [and probably expensive CPU] ... very expensive memory [that would go in the trash for my next system] ... water cooling .... and for WHAT? ... nostalgia?
having a "VW" go as fast as a Porsche for almost the same price?
my whole *point* IS bang-for-buck ... keeping my 3+ yearl old system "current" by simply upgrading my videocard ... a less than $150 upgrade ...
what i suggested was whimsy ... IF i could keep my old system another two years ...
naw ...
i AM looking forward to a completely new {pcie2} system next year.
[i also managed to s-t-r-e-t-c-h the uselfulness of my Tualatin P3 system for an extra year with a good o/c and a GPU upgrade]
K then.. This sounds much more logical..
I remember the discussions a year and a half ago had some people saying "AGP is dead, and good riddance!". Looks like there's still some life left there to me.
Wow, not only do you commit the same fallcies all over again, you make them even worse.
It's been +10 years since I last was under education, I "graduated" into real life and a job.
Would be kinda sad if I as +30 still went to school and didn't make a descent living.
(And oh, yeah I work with IT for a IT-serurity/survailance company)
But when you are done displaying your inability to debate, I will await your valid arguments
Originally posted by: Creig
I remember the discussions a year and a half ago had some people saying "AGP is dead, and good riddance!". Looks like there's still some life left there to me.
As I remember most people that posted that, just had gotten new PCI-E rigs and needed to justify that purchase
All helped along by the PR from Intel, NVIDIA, ATI ect. that wanted people to buy new motherboards.
A question of theorethical bandwith versus actual bandwith use
Originally posted by: Creig
I remember the discussions a year and a half ago had some people saying "AGP is dead, and good riddance!". Looks like there's still some life left there to me.
Hmmm seems like a lot of hardware manufacturers took that on board as well....I can see AGP sticking around for a couple of years more....look how long ISA lasted even after PCI was introduced....
IIRC you still can buy new PCI vidio cards...sure their not high end any more but still, while people want AGP cards, there will be a market for them.
Keysplayr
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Originally posted by: Ateo
Wow, not only do you commit the same fallcies all over again, you make them even worse.
It's been +10 years since I last was under education, I "graduated" into real life and a job.
Would be kinda sad if I as +30 still went to school and didn't make a descent living.
(And oh, yeah I work with IT for a IT-serurity/survailance company)
But when you are done displaying your inability to debate, I will await your valid arguments
Merely stating what it looked like to me. And still does. And by the way, my comment was not geared to debate anything. So I can't really see how it displayed any inability to debate. Must have just been something you felt like saying.
And by the way, when you are debating someone, you are not really supposed to announce that your opponent has committed any sort of fallacy. That is supposed to be just subtly noticed by onlookers and it's your job to make sure it didn't go unnoticed via explaination. But, you don't just shout, "Ha!!!! Ah-hah!!! You just committed a logical fallacy!!!" Because it sounds dumb. Ask Ulfhednar.
apoppin
Lifer
Originally posted by: Ateo
Originally posted by: Creig
I remember the discussions a year and a half ago had some people saying "AGP is dead, and good riddance!". Looks like there's still some life left there to me.
As I remember most people that posted that, just had gotten new PCI-E rigs and needed to justify that purchase
All helped along by the PR from Intel, NVIDIA, ATI ect. that wanted people to buy new motherboards.
A question of theorethical bandwith versus actual bandwith use
you remember?
who were you then?
:Q
[i can't imagine you just *reading* and not *participating*]
--if so, do you remember me touting AGP as *useful* for another couple of years and lambasting both nvidia and ATi as *stupid* for not grasping what they understand now ...
i.e. real *demand* vs. artificial *need*
AGP will now die a *natural* death ... it DOES seem inferior in certain applications to PCIe right now; much more so in the near future.
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