X1950pro AGP - FEAR

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: lavaheadache

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: aircool
Ive allways wanted a gallitin.

My expectations were not high, i hoped that it would be better than my 6600 card which so far on low its not.

i *hoped* for a 'cheap' 3.4c ... since '04 ... actually buying a decent OC'ing 3.4EE Gallatin for less than $100 [net] has *exceeded my expectations*

what i am *thinking* is that you were/are CPU limited with your 6600GT

... and you are still CPU-limited with your x1950p

it is my understanding, the CPU determines the minimum and maximum FPS [basically] ... the x1950p allows you to play at *that* same resolution with much more *detail* and AA/AF then your old CPU

lower the resolution - if i am right, it is the *only* thing that will make any real difference ... 1:1 pixel mapping should make it a playable experience if you want *fluid*

or sell your GPU [$40] and buy a Gallatin for $120 like i did

NOT saying it will *cure* your problem ... there may be *other* issues [like heat] that may also contribute to the instability in FEAR

ALL i am saying - with a similar system - is that i got it 'too' ... not as bad since my resolution was 10x7 ... and "cured" it by getting a much faster CPU

from 8000 in 3DMark05 > 9280 with the EE

that is *substantial* in my book and possibly enough to explain what i am seeing in FEAR's x-pack

let others weigh in

I think you meant CPU

of course, a TYPO and i also edited it above to reflect the *latest* ^
it's pretty clear from the context that 'CPU' is all i am talking about

i read it thru and was correcting and editing it just as you quoted it ... since i am stuck on dial-up it take me a lot longer

the other members have learned to put up with my edits
[as long as they aren't hours later ]

 

[aircool]

To bad i dont live in the us though, otherwise id be watching closely at a gallitin right now



so i play at 1024x760 it will be smooth? if not smoother than playing in DX8 mode at 1280x960?

 

[apoppin]

try it and either *confirm* or *debunk* what i am saying

please

i think you are CPU limited above 10x7

then crank the crap outta the details inc AA/AF till you notice

you might also try lowering your OC just a bit [or not] and playing around with the timings in PAT ... might be able to 'up' the overall CPU performance that way

 

[aircool]

How am i cpu limited above 10x7?

bottlenecks are ussually suppresed when playing at a higher res...

 

[apoppin]

just *TRY* it ... 10x7 ... try not to vomit

we'll discuss later
[i think it also effects the MIN fps ... your 'chugging'. ;]

OK?

fair enough?

what Happens when you run FEAR at 10x7? is it *the same crap* or not?

imo 10x7 IS a "higher resolution" ... with your dog-slow CPU

 

[apoppin]

oh, PLAY the game for a few minutes ... don't depend on the benchmark

what happens at 10x7 compared to 10x12?

?


i will be very glad to admit it if i am wrong

 

[aircool]

Ok, ill chill out and watch film first, Sorry if ive aggravated at all.

 

[apoppin]

no aggravation whatSOever

it is one thing to *talk theory* ... endlessly ... about CPU speed effects on resolutions ...

i am just suggesting your TEST my *theory*

--right or wrong, i have no problem accepting results

i am "predicting" that FEAR will be a lot smoother at 10x7 than at 10x12 --nevermind the "details" setting with a x1950p and your CPU.
--much closer to your original *expectations*

 

[aircool]

not that much better though, come may time ill have some spare cash to grab either a galitin core'd p4 or a pentium M + CT479, Pent M is the better one

 

[apoppin]

was there any difference?


IF your MB supports it, M'd be the better choice

 

[BFG10K]

i reformatted when i changed from my nvidia 6600.

I'd say you've forgotten to install your chipset drivers.

 

[aka1nas]

Originally posted by: MrK6
What specifically do you mean by "bad FPS"? Is it a low average, surging/sinking, glitchy? Be aware that FEAR is a pretty CPU intensive game, that 2.8GHz P4A (are you sure its not a B with the 533FSB?) might not be cutting it. What's your FSB at (P4 A processors had a 400FSB, overclocked, yours should be at ~484)?

A P4 A would be a Willamette, which only went to 2Ghz and used either RD-RAM or SD-RAM AFAIK. Northwood Bs were 533FSB chips with Northwood C being the 800FSB variants. I would guess that it's actually a Revision E Prescott given the clockspeed of the chip.

 

[aircool]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

i reformatted when i changed from my nvidia 6600.

I'd say you've forgotten to install your chipset drivers.

Nope ive installed those, pentium m then , just gotta wait :|

 

[apoppin]

so what was the *difference* between 10x7 and 10x12?


less choppy? or the *same*?

 

[aircool]

Kinda less choppy, but still hard to play, especially online.

 

[aircool]

there may be *other* issues [like heat] that may also contribute to the instability in FEAR

See, i doubt this because temps are all fine.

lol even my gpu temps fine, 60 at "load"

 

[Paratus]

Can you check RAM speed (try CPU Z) to see if your running 1:1 or if your RAM is significantly underclocked?

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by:

there may be *other* issues [like heat] that may also contribute to the instability in FEAR

See, i doubt this because temps are all fine.

lol even my gpu temps fine, 60 at "load"

damn ... i am not gonna talk to you anymore if you keep ignoring me
--you can *have* and enjoy your crap performance for all i really care
:roll:

you and akshayt have a *lot* in common ... ADD

last time, aircool - what was the bottom FPS difference between 10x7 and 10x12 in FEAR? on *your* rig???

if not i am going back to STALKER
... at least i can shoot those not paying attention, in game
:laugh:

--Not "online" play ... that has *nothing* to do with anything discussed here
---Single Player

 

[aircool]

yeah its 1:1, currently at 167mhz or 3.5ghz.

This isnt all about online, im just trying to play a game.

im sorry, im out

 

[apoppin]

me too
-for good

you still didn't answer my question

don't bother

frankly, i just don't give a damn ... anymore
:lips:

good luck ... you'll need it
... and aloha!

1:1 is *not* 167Mhz
:thumbsdown:

:roll:

we got akshayt back!
:heart:

:laugh:

 

[aircool]

Originally posted by: apoppin
1:1 is *not* 167Mhz
:thumbsdown:

It is,

 

[Paratus]

He's got the 533 FSB version. Thats the problem.

 

[aircool]

Originally posted by: Paratus
He's got the 533 FSB version. Thats the problem.

Can you expand on that?

 

[Paratus]

Your bandwidth limited. P4 's love memory bandwidth. Most P4 C's & E's run with a 200mhz FSB (800mhz Quad pumped.) & DDR 400.

Yours is running at 167 Oc'd! thats only 667 & DDR 333. Either there is something wrong in your BIOS settings or you have a 533 FSB version P4 which are significantly slower than the 800FSB versions.

You also won't have hyperthreading which hurts a little as the CATS are multi-threaded.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Paratus
He's got the 533 FSB version. Thats the problem.

i didn't think they made a Prescott with a crippled FSB

and that is *part* of the problem ... basically he *expects* way too much

-rigs way faster than his can't run FEAR at 10x12 with 35FPS as the *minimum*

and as i said, his CPU is dog-slow ... look at the 3DMarkO5 scores ... the CPU determines both the minimum and maximum frame rates ... the GPU gets the details and AA/AF, etc.
[it is much more complex than that ^ .. very basically]

a better cpu or lower expectations ... he can attempt to 'tweak' it ... but that's about it

would you say, Paratus ... in this case ... his CPU is holding back his X1950p?

--even in your topic's tests in FEAR at 10x7 with the CPU not maxed, it dropped to *unplayable* for about 10% of the time

here


F.E.A.R___________________________________________________
CPU 10x7 10x7 12x9 12x9
Speed 0XAA-Tri 4XAA-16XHQAF 0XAA-Tri 4XAA-16XHQAF
2.8: 22/66/200 20/53/162 21/57/155 18/45/129
BrkDwn: 5%/33%/62% 11%/34%/55% 7%/32%/61% 12%/42%46%

3.2: 28/77/210 25/59/167 25/64/168 22/49/134
BrkDwn: 0%/20%/80% 0%/38%/62% 0%/31%/69% 5%/42%/53%

3.6: 30/77/203 25/60/173 26/66/180 22/50/135
BrkDwn: 0%/15%/85% 0%/36%/64% 0%/26%/74% 1%/48%/51%
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with the weaker CPU it is unplayable at 10x7