It's not out of the question that ATI would redesign the x1900 this quickly. From what I understand 90nm to 80nm is a simple jump compared to 110nm to 90nm, and the r580 is gigantic in size. ATI's stuff right now is probably superior to nvidia's from a performance/technology standpoint, but not exactly from an economical standpoint on the high end. ATI has every reason to shrink and optimize the R580 as quickly as possible to improve their margins.
I think they're following the NV model of releasing the fastest card so opinion of you goes up and your entire line sells better.
I also believe (but this is purely speculation) that ATI is releasing the X1800GTO to both hold the fort until an X1900XL/X1900GTO is ready and also to clear out surplus X1800 series cores.
maybe it is true, 1GB memory and die shrink, r581 before r600. page in French. x1950
sorry, here's the translation-
Whereas R600 full directx 10 was to leave for next September, ATI would have informed its partners, by announcing a levelling of current R580 having for principal modification, the smoothness of engraving passing from 90 Nm with 80 Nm and of course with higher frequencies.
The fault will say to me, the delay of Windows Vista, because without Vista directx 10 does not have for the moment any interest, I am explained Windows Vista has a new office in 3d vectorial to name Aero, if a chart Directx 10 is not installed, the office of Windows Vista will be very close to Windows XP.
From a marketing point of view, it thus seems more attractive of launching a whole bottom-of-the-range range to top-of-the-range managing directx 10 for the period of January 2007.
R581 could have a giga byte of memory with format GDDR 4 if Samsung is ready in time to provide its mass memory.
sorry, here's the translation-
Whereas R600 full directx 10 was to leave for next September, ATI would have informed its partners, by announcing a levelling of current R580 having for principal modification, the smoothness of engraving passing from 90 Nm with 80 Nm and of course with higher frequencies.
The fault will say to me, the delay of Windows Vista, because without Vista directx 10 does not have for the moment any interest, I am explained Windows Vista has a new office in 3d vectorial to name Aero, if a chart Directx 10 is not installed, the office of Windows Vista will be very close to Windows XP.
From a marketing point of view, it thus seems more attractive of launching a whole bottom-of-the-range range to top-of-the-range managing directx 10 for the period of January 2007.
R581 could have a giga byte of memory with format GDDR 4 if Samsung is ready in time to provide its mass memory.
There have been rumors of a 80nm r590 for a while now, none of this is a surprise. I'd be surprised if they dont release it. Also, the 24ps+8tmu rv560 sound a lot like what I said the rv530 should have been, good to see them finally improving their sub-$200 products. A 36ps+12tmu rv570 will most likely replace the x1800xt as the $300 card, and will probably outperform it too. All their high end and midrange products are moving to a r580-derived architecture.
If that's true...and the XT doesn't cost $600+, that would be perfect for me (assuming I could scrape together the cash in the first place, lol)... A single-slot high-end card would be great for me so I could retain use of my PCI-E x1 slot if I wanted to use it in the future..
Hmm, looks interesting. Anybody with an 1900xt/x with an overclock that high around here? I'm wonder what kind of performance this could be expected to give. Also, why do so many people bash the stock DS fan on ATI cards? Granted by all accounts it runs noisy and I can see a problem with that. I've always figured that if they found a way to reduce noise in that fan and possibly give it a lower thermal resistance it would be a great system. Hell, i've even been hoping nVidia would release something similar. The biggest benefit i see from a cooler like that is the fact that you can put a card directly next to the dual slot cooler with no worries whatsoever about cooling problems.
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Actually, the specs look very real, and to people saying it looks fake cuz of grammar etc, remember those x1800 slides that everyone thought fake cuz of "SM3 Done Right!" ? Well they were real...
Yeah but the x1800 paper didn't come out on april fools day.
Still I am hopeful that they will actually fix the heat.
Since you see errors, can you point them out please?
Other than removing spaces between words to avoid hyphenation, I can't see anything wrong.
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Funny, back in the 9800/X800 days this was one of the arguments used by ATI fans against the 5800/5900.
BTW, before more crap comes, I'm coming from a 9700/9800/X800/X850 run.
No fan here, just end user.
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Gemini is the Dual GPU on one board that ATI is talking about.
http://translate.google.com/translate?h...i%2BGPU%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26safe%3Doff
http://www.vr-zone.com/index.php?i=3403
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It's is 2 GPU's and another core logic. I'd guess the unnamed core logic will be the Gemini GPU itself.
The slide itself is very sloppy & if the picture in the background is the "updated cooler" i't's not a big update, just looks like the X850XT Cooler with a bigger heatsink.
No no, the difference in performance was substantial in that case. Now the difference between the cards is smaller, with ATI winning some benchmarks whereas Nvidia has others.
At the end, I'm not talking about performance. I just wanted to point out that the same argument can be used for both sides. I hate hypocrisy.
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