X1900xtx problems HELPP MEE

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: inveterate

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
Quoting "Bassically the reason that i see a problem, if there is one,, was because i was playign halo and got 300-470frames on it while i used to get 500+ on my 7900gt, this is with same settings, and actually LOWER resolution. so i'm alarmed yes."



300+ FPS.. halo on PC has really bad GFX. But your 2d/3d clock is an issue.

thx for ur comment but, i've resolved my 2d/3d clock issues, it was downclocking and it clocks to 789/1640 by itself on 3D, which i checked that it is doing for HALO,

BUT it is still true that i get less frames at the same quality setting on the x1900xtx.

Halo doesn't have bad graphics, it's still nice to look at, and at 1680x1050 u hardly notice the lack of antialiasing, especially when ur moving, and ofcourse the free antialiasing of an LCD's 8ms minuet ghosting while in motion.

MAIN PROBLEM,, frame dropps that were not present with 79gt,,, less frames in general!!

There is nothing wrong with your card, your drivers might be out of whack and if you're going to claim that you can tell the difference between 400fps and 500fps then I pity you. Also, I'm going to assume your have a DELL 2005/07 FPW, this monitor runs at 60HZ refresh so without VSync you are going to have major tearing issues, espepcially at 400fps.

If you want to test your hardware how about getting a recent game that wasn't a converted piece of console trash in the first place? Halo was a POS on PC when it was released and that was a few years ago, I doubt much has changed.

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: Crusader

Originally posted by: josh6079
Nobody listen to Crusader. His posts are always the same pro Nvidia con ATI garbage, even if the two are close. I think it is rather odd that his first post in this thread was more or less an advertisement containing falsehoods and overgeneralizations:

Originally posted by: Crusader
This isnt an uncommon experience with ATI drivers when you start to really tinker with things (ie. use nonnative resolutions).. NV has had better nonnative support for some time now.
Get a GTX or better yet, a GX2 and your problems will go away.

As stated by many, the GX2 is--so far--underdeveloped in its effeciency. A bold design and one that will probably be used just as dual setups are used today, but far from being bug free right now. All he did was jack the thread by not answering any of the OP's questions, offer a completely different card, and then began trolling at Ackmed (who actually was talking about some of the OP's concerns)

As for the OP, good luck with the fresh install. Normally that will wipe out any driver conflictions, bugs, etc. Also, you're going to love Oblivion.

What would you know of the GX2? Do you have one?
Moving to Nvidia would solve these issues hes having. Thats a fact.

Answered his question sufficiently.
Unfortunately for you and Ackmed, NV software support is superior to ATIs.

Let's say I have a BMW, and it develops an oil leak. Buying a Mercedes would also "solve" that particular problem, but it's hardly the kind of solution people are looking for.

 

[inveterate]

OK guys,, u need to relax on the GX2, its not really a full launch thing yet, kinda in its development stages still.

Lets focus..

can some one point me to an x1900xtx overclocking forum/site, i can't seem to google up anything detailed.

 

[Captante]

Originally posted by: deadseasquirrel

Originally posted by: inveterate
I c, well thx for them comments, i will be doing a fresh install to see what happens.

Try doing a repair install first before a fresh install. I just recently went from nV to ATI and read a lot about driver issues. Many said a fresh install was needed, but others claimed to not have a problem. For me, I noticed Oblivion being rather choppy, and, after ruling out the other usual suspects, I decided to do a repair install since a fresh install would've been a pain for me. The choppiness disappeared completely. Evidently, DriverCleaner isn't guaranteed to get everything 100%.

This is certainly worth a try ... it won't always work, but if it does it'll save a lot of re-installing.

Edit: OP, check out Rage3d forums ... lots of helpful information with quite a bit less opionated nonsense to go along with it!

 

[inveterate]

Now i'm having temperature issues, ON ATI tool voltages 1.475 - 2.083 - 2.083 - 1.486 When i click show 3D view it'd go all the way to 100C and crash like a mofo.. (slowly ofcourse)

Clocked at 710/810

this is on a vf900, is my vf defective or something. I've got a P180 and a front intake fan. which was optional.

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: inveterate
Now i'm having temperature issues, ON ATI tool voltages 1.475 - 2.083 - 2.083 - 1.486 When i click show 3D view it'd go all the way to 100C and crash like a mofo.. (slowly ofcourse)

Clocked at 710/810

this is on a vf900, is my vf defective or something. I've got a P180 and a front intake fan. which was optional.

You might wanna take the card out and check to make sure the vf900 is seated properly. Redo the vf900 installation and try again...100C is too hot with that cooler.

 

[josh6079]

I just threw on my stock cooler again (wanted hot air out of the case and my vf-900's load temps were starting to become like the stock one was before) and I discovered something that was surprising. The VF-900 eats AS5!

Seriously, I had a good amount on there, not too much though, and when I checked it last night, there was significantly less. Just be sure to redo the installation of the vf-900 and try spreading out the AS5 over the GPU. I've done this technique with my stock cooler and it has helped. I did use the dot-in-the-middle way until I saw this last night. You only need the layer to be about paper-thin, and the metal rim around the GPU area acts as a stopping point from getting to low. I used my work ID badge to do it, though you can use a credit card or a razor also. Just make sure it is clean--both the spreading tool and the GPU surface, I use acetone.

 

[inveterate]

yea but , what is causing this ,, i thought vf900 was better than stock, i'm don't see how this could be caused by poor airflow

Either those benches Like this one
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/zalman_vf900-cu/page5.asp

is clearly lying.

or i've got poor air flow..

 

[Munky]

I didnt read the whole thread, but I'll just state this important info:

1. The vf900 is not as good as the stock cooler in terms of cooling capacity, and it's not as good as the Accelero either. I know this because I tried all 3 and found out the hard way.

2. 1.475 vcore is higher voltage than the normal 1.4v, and you will need watercooling or the stock cooler at 100% fan speed to keep the card from overheating if you use that high voltage. Switch back to stock volts until you can keep the gpu load temps below 90C.

 

[inveterate]

WOW,, i just put the stock cooler back on with some cleaning and arctic silver, 1.475 volts 100% fan loads at 74C while the vf900 was taking it up to 90+ and crashing like a mofo!

Fuke Zalman, got ripped off.

anyhow it's stable at 710,810,

can't quite do 750 even at 1.5volts, not heat,, it just won't go that high without frezzing

could do 720, but then i'm experiencing some in game errors, not graphic wise just wierd things, like when i push a key and release it stays pressed in the game. idk maybe u guys know this.

I think it MIGHT it just MIGHT be my powersupply because it says it's drawing 35.5amps on full load and i happen to know my 12v rail is 32A max.

might get that ocz gamerxtream 700watt. anyone hear anything bout that psu?

but like i read in the other forum this thing sounds like a boeing 747, the whole point of my p180 and quiet fans is defeated by this stock cooler, but oh well, at least it's only when i game which i guess i'll have speakers to drown it out..

DOOM 3 for some reason refuses to load, I am using the config txt to change the resoultion to match my monitor so maybe that is causing it. i'll reinstall and report.

Halo is faster but still ,, ehh,, not what i expected.

Overall, this is a change but not so glorious as i'd had hoped because of these driver issues and Boeing 747, no 858 it's definitly louder.

HL 2 is like silk. and COlin Mcrea is so much more awsome as well, no more ingame slowdowns like with the 7900gt..

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: inveterate
COlin Mcrea is so much more awsome as well, no more ingame slowdowns like with the 7900gt..

Play Richard Burns Rally...much more realistic handling but definitely harder than Colin McRae. Colin McRae has a "floaty" feel to the cars...like the cars are pivoting on some invisible axis at the center of the car.

 

[Captante]

I'd say go with Seasonic for a quiet PSU & their 600 watt unit should be plenty ... my system sucks considerably more power then yours does & I'm doing fine with an Antec Neo HE 550 watt unit. I'm sure that the OCZ unit is a very good PSU (I have an OCZ 520 in my backup PC) but I bet its not cheap.
As for the X1900XTX stock cooler, I've found mine to be much quieter then expected & I have it running 5-10% above factory settings using ATI tool... while playing Oblivion at max overclock in Overdrive it will somtimes touch 90c, but my average in games is more like 81c & idle is approx 50c depending on room tempeture, however I have a Lian Li full tower case with 8 x 80mm low-noise fans & a 120mm fan blowing through the side directly on the GPU.

 

[inveterate]

Heres what i do,, I noticed that mixing the air inside the case helps reduce temps quite a bit, so i have a nexus 80mm 16dba fan pointed 120degrees upward wind facing the graphics card intake, that helps reduce the heat by 6C after i put that fan there.

Also, if u look at the cooler only part of the grill will the hot air actually come out, the other part depending on ur case "negative/positive pressure" would be either intake or exhaust ,, intake being worst cuz i mean,, common thats like a hairdrier blowing inwards... So u go ahead and tape off the sides of it where air isn't coming out.and the center of the cooler if u want just for kiks.

I'm guessing my case airflow is hindered by the fact that there is this filter on the intake and it seems to really slow down air,, then again, it really really works well keeping the dust out. so far,, i've been playing my fav game halo for bout an 1.5hr and it's max was 77C and this is in a pretty warm room. IT IS however blowing at 100% I set it by default..

About my halo buttons not letting go issue, i seem to recall that when i set a directx setting on frames to render ahead to like 10000 for kicks one time, the same sideeffect happened on my old 7900gt, SOOO i was looking for this setting on ati, as perhaps it is also too high.. the default on nvidia was 3, anyhow, i believe this might be the cause,, Does anyone know where to set this setting with the ATI drivers... "D3D frames to render Ahead"

Anyone knows why my Doom 3 refuses to RUN AT ALLL, like it gets to a Gray screen, and then the program will close. This did not happen prior to overclocking WITH ati-tool, i used Overclocker tool before and got to 690 without a loading issue.

 

[josh6079]

Originally posted by: inveterate
WOW,, i just put the stock cooler back on with some cleaning and arctic silver, 1.475 volts 100% fan loads at 74C while the vf900 was taking it up to 90+ and crashing like a mofo!

Fuke Zalman, got ripped off.

I kind of feel the same way.

anyhow it's stable at 710,810,

can't quite do 750 even at 1.5volts, not heat,, it just won't go that high without frezzing

It is heat. 750 is a high mark to hit on air, and with that many volts going through the GPU, its going to get hot. The thing is, the X1900 is fine at lets say 70C at stock speeds, yet when running it at 750 and 1.5 V, the 70C parameter no longer applies. Instead the new parameter becomes--lets say--55C. That is why other cooling solutions have spawned e.g. water cooling, phase cooling, etc. Glad to hear the stock one is working out, but I know it is loud. I have to turn my volume up, and after about 30 secs, I don't notice it. Still, annoying.

munky, I agree with you that the stock cooler is a good cooler, just not a quiet cooler. I found out the hard way too and feel your pain.

could do 720, but then i'm experiencing some in game errors, not graphic wise just wierd things, like when i push a key and release it stays pressed in the game. idk maybe u guys know this.

I have that exact same problem!! Glad to hear that you're having it too. Well.....you know what I mean. I just can't see how the overclock is affecting that.

I think it MIGHT it just MIGHT be my powersupply because it says it's drawing 35.5amps on full load and i happen to know my 12v rail is 32A max.

might get that ocz gamerxtream 700watt. anyone hear anything bout that psu?

I've got the OCZ Powerstream 520W, but I've also been looking at that gamerstream 700W. I think it looks like a great buy.

but like i read in the other forum this thing sounds like a boeing 747, the whole point of my p180 and quiet fans is defeated by this stock cooler, but oh well, at least it's only when i game which i guess i'll have speakers to drown it out..

DOOM 3 for some reason refuses to load, I am using the config txt to change the resoultion to match my monitor so maybe that is causing it. i'll reinstall and report.

Halo is faster but still ,, ehh,, not what i expected.

Overall, this is a change but not so glorious as i'd had hoped because of these driver issues and Boeing 747, no 858 it's definitly louder.

I've tried 6.3's, 6.3 Omega, 6.4's, 6.5's, 6.5 XG's, and now am on 6.5 Omega ones. Honestly, I'd say the best I've experienced so far is the 6.5 Omega ones. Next in my line would be the 6.3 (ATI's Official ones) or the 6.3 Omegas. The XG's were still a little too buggy for ATI. I think XG does better with Nvidia drivers where as Omega is the best for ATI IMO.

HL 2 is like silk. and COlin Mcrea is so much more awsome as well, no more ingame slowdowns like with the 7900gt..

As far as your Doom 3 not running at all, I noticed that BF2 would not launch for me until I down clocked a little, even though it had done rthdrbl and artifact scanning without errors or corruptions. I think just finding out what parts of the X1900 can take what temps while running what kind of software is just a part of the overclocking that it takes for these cards. It just takes time, like any good, solid overclock does. In the end, it is worth the wait though since you'll know if you're card is absolutely stable or not.

 

[CP5670]

Anyone knows why my Doom 3 refuses to RUN AT ALLL, like it gets to a Gray screen, and then the program will close. This did not happen prior to overclocking WITH ati-tool, i used Overclocker tool before and got to 690 without a loading issue.

I was getting this in several older OpenGL games. If you're using separate 2D and 3D modes, try setting it to detect the Doom 3 exe and go into the 3D mode right away. That fixed it for me.

 

[inveterate]

I'm using ati tool and it does switch right away into 3D mode. or at least the fan goes to 100 cuz i set it to that for my OC mode. BY the way how do i turn off that atixxxsomething permanently, like sometimes when ati tool boots at load up, the tool says cannot end process. which i'm assuming is that atixxxx thing.

the problem is EVEN if i set it into MY ati tool 3D mode prior to the game loading , it still won't load.

Yo guys also ,, Oblivion ,, the far away like hills are just almost idk textureless, is something wrong??
i've also been trying for 20 mins to make the guy look like me but no go.

Guys about that button not letting go while playing a game, i am 90% positive that is is because of the D3D max frames to render ahead setting. Because i put my 7900gt in another computer and set that number to 100, and it behaves just like my x1900xtx in terms of locking in one motion.

 

[inveterate]

bump still got issues,, i miss the nvidia drivers

 

[josh6079]

Have you disabled the ATI Smart and ATI Hotkey through the Administrative Tools/Services menu in your control panel?

 

[inveterate]

OPKKKK,,, yea ok dude i think i also notice the pattern of when the Game will lock on the keys,, When the CORE goes past 72-74 degrees C, the key locking are much worse..

Sadly I don't see a possible solution to this Except to either downclock or WATER,, which is like 400 bux i'd might as well buy another widescreen monitor which i just got, and iz bit chin.

Any AIR coolers out there capable of handleing the X1900xtx, i mean,, at 100% this thing will keep it at 75 tops,, but i think at 720mhz it's may be stable but not totally efficient.

NEED TOP AIR COOLING ADVICE besides OPEN CASE ,, very dusty environment NO GO WITHOUT case+filter. Airconditioning helps but i like to be warm physically, sign"""

 

[inveterate]

U know what since 8th grade i've played with everything comp cept water cooling,, i might as well buy it,,, OK ,,,, I DON"T want a kit, just doesn't sound right to me,, What is the best place to start,, u gurus out there. I'm thinking either 2 cheaper sets to cool cpu/gpu seperately,, OR one BIG set to cool both.

Price 300<$$$<500