X1900xtx problems HELPP MEE

[compgeek89]

Well, ATi has major software issues, NV doesnt.

 

[inveterate]

guys,, stop fighting the gx2 guy. his prob doesn't help me none,, > ,< thx for postin

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: compgeek89
Well, ATi has major software issues, NV doesnt.

Why does everyone say that?? I have never had problems with installing drivers on any ATI cards I've owned and I think the majority of current ATI owners would agree. I stay away from CCC though cause I like to keep my windows install as lean as possible so I have no experience with that. I think people just assume that ATI has worse drivers.

Would you care to enlighten me on the "major software issues"?? I just don't know of many...the most I've heard is that CCC can be a memory hog, but I don't know if that's true.

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: inveterate
guys,, stop fighting the gx2 guy. his prob doesn't help me none,, > ,< thx for postin

hehe, sorry mate. thread got derailed.

Have you tried doing drivercleaner then reinstalling the drivers??

Try Omega ATI drivers...those are the only ones I use.

 

[inveterate]

Ooohh,, Omega u say,, hmmm do they work the same way?? and have same performance

 

[inveterate]

Wow, ok these drivers seems to be less buggy, but i was wondering if it switches the 2D/3D clocks like the ATI overdrive thing does. And where do i set those. does this thing check temps?

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: Crusader
Actually I believe you got called out by the mod as well. But I'm dropping this and leaving it here in this thread. So continue to follow me and yip and yap at my posts if you want to, but my post in this thread is not only true its also my opinion which I'm entitled to.
If you have issues with that, and cannot just present your side of the story.. please see the mod.

Yeah, except what I said, was the truth. Too truthful for you to take it looks like.

Your first post was useless. You sugggested someone buy another card, instead of offering any help. Thats pretty silly, no matter how you want to look at it. Your post was trolling, ignorant, and you got called out. Follow you around? No, thats what you said you were going to do to me, heh.

I will continue to monitor your online activities

Remember now?

Originally posted by: thilan29

He's having problems with installing the drivers also...the 512mb wasn't his only issue. That wasn't the point I was trying to make anyway...Crusader came in claiming all his problems will go away if he got a GTX or GX2...I was just showing that NO, his problems wouldn't necessarily go away. There are problems with cards from both companies.

Exactly. The GX2 has several driver related problems according to review. Yet crusader (against the truth) claims his problems will go away if he gets one. :wth:

Originally posted by: inveterate
guys,, stop fighting the gx2 guy. his prob doesn't help me none,, > ,< thx for postin

I already told you about your problem. One of them isnt a problem, and the other is easily fixed.

Originally posted by: compgeek89
Well, ATi has major software issues, NV doesnt.

Now that we?ve had some time to test it, we can?t help but wonder if perhaps Quad SLI is a technology that was announced a little too early. As it stands right now, the Quad SLI solution implemented in NVIDIA?s GeForce 7900 GX2 is still a little rough around the edges. We saw more than our fair share of BSODs, crashes, and other glitches with Quad SLI. In fact, testing the system was actually a somewhat frustrating experience, at times we saw so many lockups and other errors that we were forced to reboot the system after each run. Oblivion in particular seemed to give the Quad SLI system the most frequent problems.

http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/nvidia_geforce_7900_gx2_quad_sli/page13.asp

Sure looks like major software issues to me. Do you need more links that say the same thing? The fact is, both NV and ATi have driver issues. They are both very close in quality, with the exception of linux.

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: inveterate
Wow, ok these drivers seems to be less buggy, but i was wondering if it switches the 2D/3D clocks like the ATI overdrive thing does. And where do i set those. does this thing check temps?

I don't know about it switching 2D/3D clocks but I have my X1800XL clocked at 675core using ATITool and it always stays at those clocks using the OMEGA drivers...at least I think those are the 3D clocks which are kept the same all the time. There is dfinitely a difference from when I don't overclock to when I do so I'll assume that the 3D clocks work fine from ATITool. Use ATITool to check temperatures.

 

[inveterate]

Well the thing is i'm still getting significantly less performance in Halo, which is a game i play quite alot. I've always thought that ATI does direct 3D better than Nvidia.

Prior 7900gt running 1600x900 averages 150+ in gulch 16xaf

Now x1900xtx 1680x1050 averages 100+ in gulch 16xaf

i can see that it is at a higher resoultion, however, my 7900gt has been overclocked to 650mhz before,,, and at that time i noticed it go alotttt higher .. the x1900xtx should get at least that shouldn't it??

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
I dont have any stablility problems with Crossfire. No matter if you believe them or not.

"Monitor" me? Do as you please, doesnt matter. I do not get free hardware from anyone, especially not ATi. "Further proof"? There is zero proof, "further proof" claims that there is already some, when there is not.

You're clearly bias, and post misinformation/lies all the time. Your sig says that the 7900 is the "quiet" solution. The GT is anything but quiet if you consider the XT loud. Guru3d shows them both at 50db, and many user opinions say the same thing.

"best single slot card available"? The X1900GT is single slot, and much quieter than the 7900GT is. They are pretty even with each winning their share of games. The GT easily wins in BF2, and Oblivion, both very popular right now. Likewise, the GT easily wins in Q4 and Lock On. Both are about even in Fear, and Farcry with HDR. Yet the X1900GT can do HDR+AA, and HQ AF. They both cost about the same, so your claim that NV has the "best single slot card available", is nothing more than opinion, not fact. As you can see, they are pretty even speed wise, and cost wise. Yet the X1900GT can have better IQ for people who like HDR+AA, and who wouldnt want HQ AF?

Yes both NV and ATi shimmer, NV just happens to shimmer much worse. Which you leave out.

"superior multiGPU implementation and driver support in Windows and Linux", again, up for discussion. They both have postives and negatives for their SLI and Crossfire. ATi's Super AA is much, much faster than SLI AA. NV has the ability to create a profile now. There are several other differences, I should know, I have used both, have you? Better driver support in Windows? Again, nothing but opinion. ATi relesaes an offical driver once a month, NV comes no where close to that. Instead they reply on "leaked" beta drivers. Both driver sets are pretty good today, each having problems from time to time. No arguement from me on ATi's linux drivers.

'all while holding the performance lead"? Please. Anyone can see, both the X1900XTX and 7900GTX are fairly close in speed. Both win in some games, and lose in others. Generally they are pretty close to each other, and a "win" is 5% or so. Yet the X1900XTX can be had for less right now. The X1800XT is a LOT cheaper than the closest 7900GT, while being faster. How you can assert the performance lead goes to NV is beyond me. Reviews, and people who have used both, do not agree.

You show up here, with an obvious agenda, and your name goes right along with it. You are a crusader, against the truth. If (which I doubt) that you can post without calling names, accusing me of being in some marketing ploy, and act civil, we can respond to one another. If you continue to act as you have, I wont. And you will probably get called out by admins again.

Just curious. Why say "especially not ATI"?

 

[Captante]

Originally posted by: inveterate
Well the thing is i'm still getting significantly less performance in Halo, which is a game i play quite alot. I've always thought that ATI does direct 3D better than Nvidia.

Prior 7900gt running 1600x900 averages 150+ in gulch 16xaf

Now x1900xtx 1680x1050 averages 100+ in gulch 16xaf

i can see that it is at a higher resoultion, however, my 7900gt has been overclocked to 650mhz before,,, and at that time i noticed it go alotttt higher .. the x1900xtx should get at least that shouldn't it??

Frame-rate results vary from game to game & Nvidia has very good D3D performance as well as ATI ... I havn't played Halo in a long time so I'm not prepared to comment about it, but I'm sure if you do some searching on Google you'll find some people have made this comparision before ... it may also be that you have higher detail settings in the ATI driver which could explain a lot of the difference.

As for driver quality differences, once installed both seem to perform about the same as far as game compatibly & performance overall based on my recent swap from Nvidia to ATI with a slight edge to ATI's IQ, while Nvidia's installation routine is more stable.

 

[inveterate]

I woudn't be alarmed if this had only been a small difference.. but that just isn't the case,, even on the 7900gt the game play was alot smoother than this new x1900xtx. alot i mean alot less drops in frames, and just smoother in general. Granted every thing looks alost shinier with x1900xtx.

when my 7900gt was at gtx speeds,, the first game menu screen would be at 625fps constant """the moment the game starts"" and then climb from there all the way to 1000.

NOW, with my x1900xtx it would be 375 start then go towards 800 tops.

I'm just using this example because it is the same screen for everyone.

 

[Captante]

All I can do at this point is refer you back to my first comment in this thread ... going from Nvidia to ATI myself I had a lot of weird issues & wasn't getting the expected performance boost until I re-installed Windows (and I did run a driver cleaning utility)... I know its a pain, but I think the only way to be sure your card is ok is to give that a shot.

 

[inveterate]

I c, well thx for them comments, i will be doing a fresh install to see what happens. I'm quite sure my card is working right, in everything else,, except halo.. Can anyone point me to halo benchmarks or have the game and can try it out for me..

I know the game doesnt' support AA so that has to be turned off, which i did. still <then 79gt, kinda pissed bout that,, the extra 200 bux and all. Happy about HL2 and BF2, they both run better. Will be playing oblivion soon.

 

[Captante]

Let me know how it goes for you good luck!

If I get a chance I'll re-install Halo tonight & see how it runs for me ... I don't think I've played it since I was using a 9800 Pro though, so I'm not sure how much help it'll be.

 

[josh6079]

Nobody listen to Crusader. His posts are always the same pro Nvidia con ATI garbage, even if the two are close. I think it is rather odd that his first post in this thread was more or less an advertisement containing falsehoods and overgeneralizations:

Originally posted by: Crusader
This isnt an uncommon experience with ATI drivers when you start to really tinker with things (ie. use nonnative resolutions).. NV has had better nonnative support for some time now.
Get a GTX or better yet, a GX2 and your problems will go away.

As stated by many, the GX2 is--so far--underdeveloped in its effeciency. A bold design and one that will probably be used just as dual setups are used today, but far from being bug free right now. All he did was jack the thread by not answering any of the OP's questions, offer a completely different card, and then began trolling at Ackmed (who actually was talking about some of the OP's concerns)

As for the OP, good luck with the fresh install. Normally that will wipe out any driver conflictions, bugs, etc. Also, you're going to love Oblivion.

 

[imported_Crusader]

Originally posted by: josh6079
Nobody listen to Crusader. His posts are always the same pro Nvidia con ATI garbage, even if the two are close. I think it is rather odd that his first post in this thread was more or less an advertisement containing falsehoods and overgeneralizations:

Originally posted by: Crusader
This isnt an uncommon experience with ATI drivers when you start to really tinker with things (ie. use nonnative resolutions).. NV has had better nonnative support for some time now.
Get a GTX or better yet, a GX2 and your problems will go away.

As stated by many, the GX2 is--so far--underdeveloped in its effeciency. A bold design and one that will probably be used just as dual setups are used today, but far from being bug free right now. All he did was jack the thread by not answering any of the OP's questions, offer a completely different card, and then began trolling at Ackmed (who actually was talking about some of the OP's concerns)

As for the OP, good luck with the fresh install. Normally that will wipe out any driver conflictions, bugs, etc. Also, you're going to love Oblivion.

What would you know of the GX2? Do you have one?
Moving to Nvidia would solve these issues hes having. Thats a fact.

Answered his question sufficiently.
Unfortunately for you and Ackmed, NV software support is superior to ATIs.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Quoting "Bassically the reason that i see a problem, if there is one,, was because i was playign halo and got 300-470frames on it while i used to get 500+ on my 7900gt, this is with same settings, and actually LOWER resolution. so i'm alarmed yes."



300+ FPS.. halo on PC has really bad GFX. But your 2d/3d clock is an issue.

 

[inveterate]

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
Quoting "Bassically the reason that i see a problem, if there is one,, was because i was playign halo and got 300-470frames on it while i used to get 500+ on my 7900gt, this is with same settings, and actually LOWER resolution. so i'm alarmed yes."



300+ FPS.. halo on PC has really bad GFX. But your 2d/3d clock is an issue.

thx for ur comment but, i've resolved my 2d/3d clock issues, it was downclocking and it clocks to 789/1640 by itself on 3D, which i checked that it is doing for HALO,

BUT it is still true that i get less frames at the same quality setting on the x1900xtx.

Halo doesn't have bad graphics, it's still nice to look at, and at 1680x1050 u hardly notice the lack of antialiasing, especially when ur moving, and ofcourse the free antialiasing of an LCD's 8ms minuet ghosting while in motion.

MAIN PROBLEM,, frame dropps that were not present with 79gt,,, less frames in general!!

 

[Zstream]

Originally posted by: inveterate

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
Quoting "Bassically the reason that i see a problem, if there is one,, was because i was playign halo and got 300-470frames on it while i used to get 500+ on my 7900gt, this is with same settings, and actually LOWER resolution. so i'm alarmed yes."



300+ FPS.. halo on PC has really bad GFX. But your 2d/3d clock is an issue.

thx for ur comment but, i've resolved my 2d/3d clock issues, it was downclocking and it clocks to 789/1640 by itself on 3D, which i checked that it is doing for HALO,

BUT it is still true that i get less frames at the same quality setting on the x1900xtx.

Halo doesn't have bad graphics, it's still nice to look at, and at 1680x1050 u hardly notice the lack of antialiasing, especially when ur moving, and ofcourse the free antialiasing of an LCD's 8ms minuet ghosting while in motion.

MAIN PROBLEM,, frame dropps that were not present with 79gt,,, less frames in general!!

Well what are your AF settings, cat AI, all your driver settings? need more detail then my 7900gt ran faster.

 

[inveterate]

Originally posted by: Zstream

Originally posted by: inveterate

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
Quoting "Bassically the reason that i see a problem, if there is one,, was because i was playign halo and got 300-470frames on it while i used to get 500+ on my 7900gt, this is with same settings, and actually LOWER resolution. so i'm alarmed yes."



300+ FPS.. halo on PC has really bad GFX. But your 2d/3d clock is an issue.

thx for ur comment but, i've resolved my 2d/3d clock issues, it was downclocking and it clocks to 789/1640 by itself on 3D, which i checked that it is doing for HALO,

BUT it is still true that i get less frames at the same quality setting on the x1900xtx.

Halo doesn't have bad graphics, it's still nice to look at, and at 1680x1050 u hardly notice the lack of antialiasing, especially when ur moving, and ofcourse the free antialiasing of an LCD's 8ms minuet ghosting while in motion.

MAIN PROBLEM,, frame dropps that were not present with 79gt,,, less frames in general!!

Well what are your AF settings, cat AI, all your driver settings? need more detail then my 7900gt ran faster.

My gt above was running stock, and at 16x af

 

[thilanliyan]

Maybe vsync is on?? You can disable it manually.

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: Crusader
What would you know of the GX2? Do you have one?
Moving to Nvidia would solve these issues hes having. Thats a fact.

Answered his question sufficiently.
Unfortunately for you and Ackmed, NV software support is superior to ATIs.

And what would YOU know of ATI software?? Do YOU actually have one of the newer ATI cards to have actually tried some of the newer drivers/software??

 

[deadseasquirrel]

Originally posted by: inveterate
I c, well thx for them comments, i will be doing a fresh install to see what happens.

Try doing a repair install first before a fresh install. I just recently went from nV to ATI and read a lot about driver issues. Many said a fresh install was needed, but others claimed to not have a problem. For me, I noticed Oblivion being rather choppy, and, after ruling out the other usual suspects, I decided to do a repair install since a fresh install would've been a pain for me. The choppiness disappeared completely. Evidently, DriverCleaner isn't guaranteed to get everything 100%.

 

[josh6079]

Originally posted by: Crusader

Originally posted by: josh6079
Nobody listen to Crusader. His posts are always the same pro Nvidia con ATI garbage, even if the two are close. I think it is rather odd that his first post in this thread was more or less an advertisement containing falsehoods and overgeneralizations:

Originally posted by: Crusader
This isnt an uncommon experience with ATI drivers when you start to really tinker with things (ie. use nonnative resolutions).. NV has had better nonnative support for some time now.
Get a GTX or better yet, a GX2 and your problems will go away.

As stated by many, the GX2 is--so far--underdeveloped in its effeciency. A bold design and one that will probably be used just as dual setups are used today, but far from being bug free right now. All he did was jack the thread by not answering any of the OP's questions, offer a completely different card, and then began trolling at Ackmed (who actually was talking about some of the OP's concerns)

As for the OP, good luck with the fresh install. Normally that will wipe out any driver conflictions, bugs, etc. Also, you're going to love Oblivion.

What would you know of the GX2? Do you have one?
Moving to Nvidia would solve these issues hes having. Thats a fact.

Answered his question sufficiently.
Unfortunately for you and Ackmed, NV software support is superior to ATIs.

Crusader, your one who uses reviews to show how ATI hardware is "inferior" yet when I say that others who have "owned" the GX2 long enough to review it say that it still has its fair share of issues you think I'm biased since I don't own one? Talk about a hypocrite. Fact is, I've already owned a more mature SLI version of the 7 series GPU and still had my fair share of issues. So I have past personal experience and reviewers saying that this GX2 still has issues. Truth is, every video card has issues at some point or another.

Fact is, I'm still waiting for you to give me one compliment of ATI from this thread:

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...&STARTPAGE=2&FTVAR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear

All I ever see you do is troll and recommend Nvidia products left and right, even when they have the same problems. Yes, Nvidia has better software support.....because it can support Linux. When did the OP say that he had Linux? Exactly, he didn't say that, and the fact that he has an ATI card means that he doesn't have Linux. For Windows and gaming resolutions, I have yet to have problem with both the 7 series GPU's and the X1900 series.

This thread does not need your advertisements, nor your worthless opinions. Go troll somewhere else.

OP, frame rates that are recorded above 100fps are not very accurate. That is why sometimes in some games you will see a frame lock of 100fps. Really, if you're still getting 300+ fps, you don't need to worry. Although, I am worried that you have an X1900 and still play Halo, but hey, its your card and your games so I'll stay out of it. Glad to see that your clocks are fixed. Did the fresh Windows install do that?