X1900 is not for me what else will they have?

[LungExpansion]

ATI's next gen is supposed to be a complete lineup from the low end to the high end x1900 right? I also think its arriving this month too? Correct me if I am wrong.

I take it I wont be able to afford a x1900 so can anyone point me to specs of the mid range lineup? $200.00 range?

 

[zizo]

there was a 199$ deal for x850xt.

 

[CKXP]

Radeon X800GTO2
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102646

Gigabyte 6800GS
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814125218

 

[LungExpansion]

Originally posted by: zizo
there was a 199$ deal for x850xt.

That seems good and all but there must be a reason ATI is abandoning that with a fresh new lineup.

Im leery of the short lifespan of the r480 is it?

 

[LungExpansion]

Originally posted by: CKXP
Radeon X800GTO2
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102646

Gigabyte 6800GS
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814125218

Thanks but I am leaning more toward the new chipsets when they arrive. If NVIDIA is doing a full product refresh that would interest me also.

I wouldnt mind a 7800 lite version if it existed.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: zizo
there was a 199$ deal for x850xt.

i got in on this today. the only feature you are really missing is SM3.0 and it is $250-$50MIR.

anyway, you are likely waiting for x1700xt . . . should be out in PCIe/AGP and should be in the $200 range [if the x1600xt is any indication . . . it began life with a $250 MSRP and dropped into the sub$200 range].

 

[route66]

Originally posted by: LungExpansion

Originally posted by: zizo
there was a 199$ deal for x850xt.

That seems good and all but there must be a reason ATI is abandoning that with a fresh new lineup.

Im leery of the short lifespan of the r480 is it?

Is this a joke?

That's like asking why your 2005 model car is being replaced with a 2006 model car.

 

[KeepItRed]

Radeon X800GTO2. Best card for it's price.

 

[secretanchitman]

X800GTO2
X800GTO
6800GS
6800GT used

 

[CKXP]

Originally posted by: LungExpansion
ATI's next gen is supposed to be a complete lineup from the low end to the high end x1900 right? I also think its arriving this month too? Correct me if I am wrong.

I take it I wont be able to afford a x1900 so can anyone point me to specs of the mid range lineup? $200.00 range?

anyway, you are likely waiting for x1700xt . . . should be out in PCIe/AGP and should be in the $200 range

besides waiting for the X1700xt, a 7800gt will probaly be a better option $289.99

 

[LungExpansion]

Originally posted by: route66

Originally posted by: LungExpansion

Originally posted by: zizo
there was a 199$ deal for x850xt.

That seems good and all but there must be a reason ATI is abandoning that with a fresh new lineup.

Im leery of the short lifespan of the r480 is it?

Is this a joke?

That's like asking why your 2005 model car is being replaced with a 2006 model car.

Its lifespan is like 3 months. They also had numerous problems with manufacturing the chip as it required several tap outs to get it working right. Which makes me also wonder what else the chip was supposed to do that it just doesnt. Or what incompatibility issues might arrise because of the problems that surrounded this chip.

I see it as a chip that didnt live up to ATI's hopes and dreams. I feel the R480 became a christmas rush job and once they got half decent working silicon they pushed it out the door. It just doesnt give me the warm fuzzies and first generation cars are usually the most buggy and future problem prone to recalls. So this first endevour into 90nm for ATI is a little botched in my mind. It may be a perfectly stable card and chip now but I really am leaning toward second generation 90nm from ATI.

The R520 since it tapped out the first time I feel was better planned/designed from the beginning and overall even if it only has SM3.0 over the previous will have a better lifespan. I also think it will have better overclock ability as well and possibly better SLI performance. Not just from a new generation standpoint but from a design perspective internally. Since ATI is replacing the entire lineup that tells me what they think of this chip over the R480. Is the companies reaction to the chip that I am making this decision. If the R480 is what ATI is happy with I wouldnt think they would abandon it so quickly in favor of the R520.

I dont really want a flamewar on the ATI R480 chipset I just want to know more about the R520 lineup's midrange when I build my new system around the end of this month.

 

[LungExpansion]

Originally posted by: CKXP

Originally posted by: LungExpansion
ATI's next gen is supposed to be a complete lineup from the low end to the high end x1900 right? I also think its arriving this month too? Correct me if I am wrong.

I take it I wont be able to afford a x1900 so can anyone point me to specs of the mid range lineup? $200.00 range?

anyway, you are likely waiting for x1700xt . . . should be out in PCIe/AGP and should be in the $200 range

besides waiting for the X1700xt, a 7800gt will probaly be a better option $289.99

Ouch if thats the case I will probably wait and see NVIDIA reaction to ATI and compare the 2. I am impressed with the 7800 series and maybe it will drop to around the $200 mark or I will come up. If I were to spend $300 I would buy an XBOX 360 instead.

 

[Matthias99]

Originally posted by: LungExpansion

Originally posted by: route66

Originally posted by: LungExpansion

Originally posted by: zizo
there was a 199$ deal for x850xt.

That seems good and all but there must be a reason ATI is abandoning that with a fresh new lineup.

Im leery of the short lifespan of the r480 is it?

Is this a joke?

That's like asking why your 2005 model car is being replaced with a 2006 model car.

Its lifespan is like 3 months. They also had numerous problems with manufacturing the chip as it required several tap outs to get it working right. Which makes me also wonder what else the chip was supposed to do that it just doesnt. Or what incompatibility issues might arrise because of the problems that surrounded this chip.

I see it as a chip that didnt live up to ATI's hopes and dreams. I feel the R480 became a christmas rush job and once they got half decent working silicon they pushed it out the door. It just doesnt give me the warm fuzzies and first generation cars are usually the most buggy and future problem prone to recalls. So this first endevour into 90nm for ATI is a little botched in my mind. It may be a perfectly stable card and chip now but I really am leaning toward second generation 90nm from ATI.

The R520 since it tapped out the first time I feel was better planned/designed from the beginning and overall even if it only has SM3.0 over the previous will have a better lifespan. I also think it will have better overclock ability as well and possibly better SLI performance. Not just from a new generation standpoint but from a design perspective internally. Since ATI is replacing the entire lineup that tells me what they think of this chip over the R480. Is the companies reaction to the chip that I am making this decision. If the R480 is what ATI is happy with I wouldnt think they would abandon it so quickly in favor of the R520.

I dont really want a flamewar on the ATI R480 chipset I just want to know more about the R520 lineup's midrange when I build my new system around the end of this month.

You seem to be a little confused on your model numbers. The X1800 cards are R520; the upcoming "X1900" will be R580. R480 is, IIRC, the X850 line.

Its lifespan is like 3 months. They also had numerous problems with manufacturing the chip as it required several tap outs to get it working right. Which makes me also wonder what else the chip was supposed to do that it just doesnt. Or what incompatibility issues might arrise because of the problems that surrounded this chip.

Same thing I said in another thread on the X1900/R580:

1) No official word yet from ATI that they're not making more R520 chips or X1800 cards.

2) I don't see how this is different than, say, replacing the 9500/9600 with 9700/9800, or GF5600/5800 with 5700/5900, etc. etc.. It's just faster than a usual refresh cycle, because R520 itself was delayed but R580 wasn't.

And the reason they held out R520 was due to manufacturing (not design) issues, and they didn't release the card until they were resolved. I'm not sure why you are expecting "incompatibility issues" with it.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: LungExpansion

Originally posted by: route66

Originally posted by: LungExpansion

Originally posted by: zizo
there was a 199$ deal for x850xt.

That seems good and all but there must be a reason ATI is abandoning that with a fresh new lineup.

Im leery of the short lifespan of the r480 is it?

Is this a joke?

That's like asking why your 2005 model car is being replaced with a 2006 model car.

Its lifespan is like 3 months. They also had numerous problems with manufacturing the chip as it required several tap outs to get it working right. Which makes me also wonder what else the chip was supposed to do that it just doesnt. Or what incompatibility issues might arrise because of the problems that surrounded this chip.

I see it as a chip that didnt live up to ATI's hopes and dreams. I feel the R480 became a christmas rush job and once they got half decent working silicon they pushed it out the door. It just doesnt give me the warm fuzzies and first generation cars are usually the most buggy and future problem prone to recalls. So this first endevour into 90nm for ATI is a little botched in my mind. It may be a perfectly stable card and chip now but I really am leaning toward second generation 90nm from ATI.

The R520 since it tapped out the first time I feel was better planned/designed from the beginning and overall even if it only has SM3.0 over the previous will have a better lifespan. I also think it will have better overclock ability as well and possibly better SLI performance. Not just from a new generation standpoint but from a design perspective internally. Since ATI is replacing the entire lineup that tells me what they think of this chip over the R480. Is the companies reaction to the chip that I am making this decision. If the R480 is what ATI is happy with I wouldnt think they would abandon it so quickly in favor of the R520.

I dont really want a flamewar on the ATI R480 chipset I just want to know more about the R520 lineup's midrange when I build my new system around the end of this month.

You really don't know what you're talking about. You have your chipset numbers wrong. New models replace old models. That's the process of evolution. Whatever you buy today will be up'd w/ something newer/better in 3-6 months.

My X800XL is better in some ways than my 7800GTX 512 at 1/3 the cost and a generation behind. The X800XT and X800GTO2 are still excellent cards and will be for the considerable future.

 

[nitromullet]

Originally posted by: LungExpansion

Its lifespan is like 3 months. They also had numerous problems with manufacturing the chip as it required several tap outs to get it working right. Which makes me also wonder what else the chip was supposed to do that it just doesnt. Or what incompatibility issues might arrise because of the problems that surrounded this chip.

I see it as a chip that didnt live up to ATI's hopes and dreams. I feel the R480 became a christmas rush job and once they got half decent working silicon they pushed it out the door. It just doesnt give me the warm fuzzies and first generation cars are usually the most buggy and future problem prone to recalls. So this first endevour into 90nm for ATI is a little botched in my mind. It may be a perfectly stable card and chip now but I really am leaning toward second generation 90nm from ATI.

The R520 since it tapped out the first time I feel was better planned/designed from the beginning and overall even if it only has SM3.0 over the previous will have a better lifespan. I also think it will have better overclock ability as well and possibly better SLI performance. Not just from a new generation standpoint but from a design perspective internally. Since ATI is replacing the entire lineup that tells me what they think of this chip over the R480. Is the companies reaction to the chip that I am making this decision. If the R480 is what ATI is happy with I wouldnt think they would abandon it so quickly in favor of the R520.

I dont really want a flamewar on the ATI R480 chipset I just want to know more about the R520 lineup's midrange when I build my new system around the end of this month.

I think you are confusing R520 with R580. R580 is set to replace R520 in January.

However, given your budget of $200, neither of these is important. For $200 you won't be able to get into one of the next generation cards that is actually powerful enough to utilize the features that they offer over the previous gen. Your best bet would be to check into what you can afford right now and go with that. If you have a PCI-E motherboard, I would go with a GeForce 6800GS, and if you're still on AGP, check out the X850XT for $250 AMIR at Micro Center.

 

[LungExpansion]

Ok my bad I put R480 when I should have put R520 and R520 where I should have put R580. I think everyone knows what I am asking without getting offensive about a chip number.

Usually manufacturers keep previous generations but ATI is telling me they dont want the R520 either by replacing the entire lineup with R580. That tells me the R580 is significantly a better chip than R520. Which also signals to me that the R520 still has manufacturing issues.

 

[Enigmatic]

I believe it is because though the 1800 series was delayed because of an unforunate minor error, the 1900 series has been in steady development. The 1800 series was originally supposed to ship around the same time (if not earlier) than the Geforce 7800 series. So though the 1800 series was delayed the 1900 series is releasing on time. If you look at it from that perspective the release date for the 1900 series does not seem wildly outrageous.

 

[LungExpansion]

Originally posted by: nitromullet

Originally posted by: LungExpansion

Its lifespan is like 3 months. They also had numerous problems with manufacturing the chip as it required several tap outs to get it working right. Which makes me also wonder what else the chip was supposed to do that it just doesnt. Or what incompatibility issues might arrise because of the problems that surrounded this chip.

I see it as a chip that didnt live up to ATI's hopes and dreams. I feel the R480 became a christmas rush job and once they got half decent working silicon they pushed it out the door. It just doesnt give me the warm fuzzies and first generation cars are usually the most buggy and future problem prone to recalls. So this first endevour into 90nm for ATI is a little botched in my mind. It may be a perfectly stable card and chip now but I really am leaning toward second generation 90nm from ATI.

The R520 since it tapped out the first time I feel was better planned/designed from the beginning and overall even if it only has SM3.0 over the previous will have a better lifespan. I also think it will have better overclock ability as well and possibly better SLI performance. Not just from a new generation standpoint but from a design perspective internally. Since ATI is replacing the entire lineup that tells me what they think of this chip over the R480. Is the companies reaction to the chip that I am making this decision. If the R480 is what ATI is happy with I wouldnt think they would abandon it so quickly in favor of the R520.

I dont really want a flamewar on the ATI R480 chipset I just want to know more about the R520 lineup's midrange when I build my new system around the end of this month.

I think you are confusing R520 with R580. R580 is set to replace R520 in January.

However, given your budget of $200, neither of these is important. For $200 you won't be able to get into one of the next generation cards that is actually powerful enough to utilize the features that they offer over the previous gen. Your best bet would be to check into what you can afford right now and go with that. If you have a PCI-E motherboard, I would go with a GeForce 6800GS, and if you're still on AGP, check out the X850XT for $250 AMIR at Micro Center.

Yea I just corrected that. If I have to increase the budget a little thats fine but I would expect a decent $200.00 card to emerge if not then I expect a little pricewar because I think ATI needs to beat out every card level NVIDIA has to offer at a better price. If the X850 is around $250.00 then I am looking for its replacement or I expect NVIDIA's X850 counter to cost less than $250 when the new cards arrive.

 

[nitromullet]

Originally posted by: LungExpansion
Ok my bad I put R480 when I should have put R520 and R520 where I should have put R580. I think everyone knows what I am asking without getting offensive about a chip number.

Usually manufacturers keep previous generations but ATI is telling me they dont want the R520 either by replacing the entire lineup with R580. That tells me the R580 is significantly a better chip than R520. Which also signals to me that the R520 still has manufacturing issues.

The X850XT isn't an R520 chip, but an R4xx based chip. In your price range, R520 and R580 aren't really applicable. That's what I'm trying to tell you, don't worry about ATI's cutting edge at that price range, go with proven and (relatively) cheap.

 

[LungExpansion]

Originally posted by: Enigmatic
I believe it is because though the 1800 series was delayed because of an unforunate minor error, the 1900 series has been in steady development. The 1800 series was originally supposed to ship around the same time (if not earlier) than the Geforce 7800 series. So though the 1800 series was delayed the 1900 series is releasing on time. If you look at it from that perspective the release date for the 1900 series does not seem wildly outrageous.

Well put the delays of the 1800 series send doubts to me about the chip while the 1900 series is on time relatively speaking it tells me the chip was designed better from the get go.

It could just be that the 1800 per wafer doesnt produce many good chips and that the x1900 does which should also signal me to go for the new chip and spend a little more if I have to.

 

[LungExpansion]

Originally posted by: nitromullet

Originally posted by: LungExpansion
Ok my bad I put R480 when I should have put R520 and R520 where I should have put R580. I think everyone knows what I am asking without getting offensive about a chip number.

Usually manufacturers keep previous generations but ATI is telling me they dont want the R520 either by replacing the entire lineup with R580. That tells me the R580 is significantly a better chip than R520. Which also signals to me that the R520 still has manufacturing issues.

The X850XT isn't an R520 chip, but an R4xx based chip. In your price range, R520 and R580 aren't really applicable. That's what I'm trying to tell you, don't worry about ATI's cutting edge at that price range, go with proven and (relatively) cheap.

Im under the impression the R580 will replace the entire ATI line of $100 to $600.00 cards to compete with the 6600 series to 7800 series from NVIDIA. Is that not correct?

 

[Matthias99]

Originally posted by: LungExpansion

Originally posted by: Enigmatic
I believe it is because though the 1800 series was delayed because of an unforunate minor error, the 1900 series has been in steady development. The 1800 series was originally supposed to ship around the same time (if not earlier) than the Geforce 7800 series. So though the 1800 series was delayed the 1900 series is releasing on time. If you look at it from that perspective the release date for the 1900 series does not seem wildly outrageous.

Well put the delays of the 1800 series send doubts to me about the chip while the 1900 series is on time relatively speaking it tells me the chip was designed better from the get go.

It could just be that the 1800 per wafer doesnt produce many good chips and that the x1900 does which should also signal me to go for the new chip and spend a little more if I have to.

IF you believe ATI, they were having yield problems, but they turned out to be due to a bug in a third-party chip design they had purchased and were using in the R520 cards. They seem to be doing fine manufacturing them now, and according to them it was not a design problem with the actual GPU core.

Im under the impression the R580 will replace the entire ATI line of $100 to $600.00 cards to compete with the 6600 series to 7800 series from NVIDIA. Is that not correct?

There has been no official statement from ATI to this effect. The only cards they have announced have been high-end ones. There are rumors that this will happen, but they are just that. Even if it does happen, it doesn't suddenly make the X1800s into bad cards. And it would take months for a switchover like this to happen.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: LungExpansion

Originally posted by: Enigmatic
I believe it is because though the 1800 series was delayed because of an unforunate minor error, the 1900 series has been in steady development. The 1800 series was originally supposed to ship around the same time (if not earlier) than the Geforce 7800 series. So though the 1800 series was delayed the 1900 series is releasing on time. If you look at it from that perspective the release date for the 1900 series does not seem wildly outrageous.

Well put the delays of the 1800 series send doubts to me about the chip while the 1900 series is on time relatively speaking it tells me the chip was designed better from the get go.

It could just be that the 1800 per wafer doesnt produce many good chips and that the x1900 does which should also signal me to go for the new chip and spend a little more if I have to.

The x1800 is a very good chip and is readily available. There is nothing wrong w/ the current manufacturing process. And you will not find a R580 video card in your price range til mid-way to later in the year. And if you do, an older generation card at that same price will more than likely outperform it.

 

[LungExpansion]

Thanks Matthias99 so the talk of X1600, X1700 cards are just rumors?

 

[Matthias99]

Originally posted by: LungExpansion
Thanks Matthias99 so the talk of X1600, X1700 cards are just rumors?

No; but those cards will be based on R520 (at least the X1600s; I don't even know if X1700s have been announced).