WWIII likely start date (and what to expect)

[AnitaPeterson]

With the risk of sounding preposterous, that's something I've been contemplating for a while.
Been working in media monitoring and analysis in the past 30 years. I also read a lot of history, political science and other humanities.
I can't shake the dreadful feeling that something ugly is just around the corner. It's the 1930s all over again, and a major war is brewing.
Earlier this week, I heard someone making plans for the fall of 2027. And I nearly told her "don't bother, we're probably going to have very different priorities by then."

The only thing that remains to be seen, if war is inevitable, is the extent of nuclear weapons use. Chemical and bacteriological weapons are not out of the equation, but less likely. But cybernetic (perhaps AI-augmented) strikes are guaranteed, as well as EMPs.

 

[Pens1566]

With the risk of sounding preposterous, that's something I've been contemplating for a while.
Been working in media monitoring and analysis in the past 30 years. I also read a lot of history, political science and other humanities.
I can't shake the dreadful feeling that something ugly is just around the corner. It's the 1930s all over again, and a major war is brewing.
Earlier this week, I heard someone making plans for the fall of 2027. And I nearly told her "don't bother, we're probably going to have very different priorities by then."

The only thing that remains to be seen, if war is inevitable, is the extent of nuclear weapons use. Chemical and bacteriological weapons are not out of the equation, but less likely. But cybernetic (perhaps AI-augmented) strikes are guaranteed, as well as EMPs.

Likely causes would be:
1) China finally going into Taiwan (rumored to be in the '26-'27 range based on internal issues)
2) Escalation in eastern Europe coming out of Ukraine
3) Middle east popping off based on current Israeli activities

With 2 and 3, you could realistically look back and push the start date so that we're already in it depending on circumstances.

 

[ivwshane]

With the risk of sounding preposterous, that's something I've been contemplating for a while.
Been working in media monitoring and analysis in the past 30 years. I also read a lot of history, political science and other humanities.
I can't shake the dreadful feeling that something ugly is just around the corner. It's the 1930s all over again, and a major war is brewing.
Earlier this week, I heard someone making plans for the fall of 2027. And I nearly told her "don't bother, we're probably going to have very different priorities by then."

The only thing that remains to be seen, if war is inevitable, is the extent of nuclear weapons use. Chemical and bacteriological weapons are not out of the equation, but less likely. But cybernetic (perhaps AI-augmented) strikes are guaranteed, as well as EMPs.

The only saving grace we have as a country is that the most corrupt administration is also the most incompetent. Do I think there will be another major war? No but I’m sure Putin will continue to manipulate Trump and weaken our standing in the world as well as the UN’s resolve to be united.

 

[nickqt]

WWII was an amalgamation of "conflicts" and regional wars that had been going intermittently since the mid-to-late 1930s. In that sense, if there is a WWIII "around the corner", we're already in the beginning stages.

That said, Ecofascism is right around the corner. It will be regional conflicts concerned with strategic control of dwindling resources like water, arable land, and living space in regards to climate refugees. Hard to imagine, right?

 

[nakedfrog]

AI-augmented strikes are already occurring.

AI-assisted targeting in the Gaza Strip - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[FelixDeCat]

There are always wars and rumors of wars. Most are limited conflicts. Just live for today and you'll be okay.

 

[Indus]

There are always wars and rumors of wars. Most are limited conflicts. Just live for today and you'll be okay.

There have always been serial killers but it's a long time since we've had people in power that are serial killers who actually want to destroy their own populations that they're responsible for.

The only survivors from those encounters are the ones that fight and try to escape and don't want to be in shock left thinking "This isn't really happening.." when they're being led to their deaths..

The smartest people have already left the country.. make your plan now.. somewhere you can survive.

 

[Moonbeam]

Self hate manifests as catastrophe thinking. It is the externalization of denied feelings. It is the projection of traumatic experience. It is living in your own self created hell via thought and imagination driven by fear, a fear of what will happen tomorrow because of what we deny and can't easily allow into conscious memory of what really happened to us in the past.

It is a form of avoidance where the motivation for a focus on imaginary fears becomes a form of morbid addiction that allows vicarious experience without the conscious memories of what happened to us. This is the source, unconsciously recognized in the saying being drawn like a moth to a candle flame. Fear of the future is fear of awakening to the fact that we died psychically as children.

Truth is the last thing we want to see. For some the experience of walking around dead is unbearable and so some sincerely seek. That is why those who find a way back say seek and you will find and that the capacity to see is related to the depth to which there is that feeling of need. The mass psychosis described as the end times is simply a result of a collective death wish to escape suffering via death.

As the world approaches the so called end times, Armageddon, etc. it becomes a race. The more obvious the danger of the greater the need to awaken. There is nothing to fear but fear itself. Everything we fear has already happened. Enlightenment is knowing that. We were not loved. Time to love your real self. It is not your ego, your reward for playing the game of denial in a state of numbness.

 

[AnitaPeterson]

Self hate manifests as catastrophe thinking. It is the externalization of denied feelings. It is the projection of traumatic experience. It is living in your own self created hell via thought and imagination driven by fear, a fear of what will happen tomorrow because of what we deny and can't easily allow into conscious memory of what really happened to us in the past.

It is a form of avoidance where the motivation for a focus on imaginary fears becomes a form of morbid addiction that allows vicarious experience without the conscious memories of what happened to us. This is the source, unconsciously recognized in the saying being drawn like a moth to a candle flame. Fear of the future is fear of awakening to the fact that we died psychically as children.

Truth is the last thing we want to see. For some the experience of walking around dead is unbearable and so some sincerely seek. That is why those who find a way back say seek and you will find and that the capacity to see is related to the depth to which there is that feeling of need. The mass psychosis described as the end times is simply a result of a collective death wish to escape suffering via death.

As the world approaches the so called end times, Armageddon, etc. it becomes a race. The more obvious the danger of the greater the need to awaken. There is nothing to fear but fear itself. Everything we fear has already happened. Enlightenment is knowing that. We were not loved. Time to love your real self. It is not your ego, your reward for playing the game of denial in a state of numbness.

The best test for a true AGI - if and when we'll finally get to build it - would be to feed such texts into it and have it explain what the author was trying to convey. The first two paragraphs appear to suggest that fear of tomorrow is caused by psychically dying young, but the rest is as abstruse as a Nostradamus quatrain...

 

[WelshBloke]

The best test for a true AGI - if and when we'll finally get to build it - would be to feed such texts into it and have it explain what the author was trying to convey. The first two paragraphs appear to suggest that fear of tomorrow is caused by psychically dying young, but the rest is as abstruse as a Nostradamus quatrain...

I mean ChatGPT did a good job!

Absolutely—here's a one-sentence summary:

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Self-hate is fear rooted in denied trauma, and healing begins by facing the truth and loving the real self.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

There is no way the regime won't be starting major wars in the next 5 years. It's what fascists do. Trump will follow in the footsteps of his predecessors like Hitler, Tojo, and Mussolini and millions of us will die. Should be fun since I live less than a mile from a military airstrip that can service intercontinental bombers so I surely have one of Putin's H-bombs basically pointed right at me, nuclear triad and all. Sadly not close enough to get vaporized in the blast but close enough to be set on fire immediately upon detonation before the sound wave comes and levels my house 4-5 seconds later. If I ever hear the 30 minute EAS warning I'll probably jump on my bike and go straight to across the street from the base's gates so I can be set on fire at a few thousand degrees instead of suffering being burned at a few hundred degrees and crushed by my roof tbh.

 

[Muse]

I don't expect WW III to ever happen. It's been said that the hydrogen bomb was history's exclamation mark. It makes all out warfare by the nations with the greatest technological development obsolete. MAD, if you don't know the acronym, look it up. Nobody wins WW III. It's not a zero sum game it's an everybody loses game.

Dr. Strangelove was IMO Stanley Kubrick's greatest achievement. MAD does happen in the movie because of a quirky implementation of strategies and unforeseen circumstances. I have some faith that it won't happen. Of course, there are no guarantees, at least not that I know of. Thing is, the underpinnings of the mechanisms of nuclear deterrence and capabilities are largely secret, so it's difficult to know, maybe even for people with proprietary knowledge (top secret clearance and intelligence, both kinds). Many doubt that Russia's nukes and delivery systems would work given the incompetence they've displayed since their invasion of Ukraine.

There is no way the regime won't be starting major wars in the next 5 years.

I don't think Trump looks forward to engaging in warfare. He loves sound bites and stirring up turmoil but TACO, baby. The idea of being a wartime president scares him. That's my opinion.

 

[Moonbeam]

The best test for a true AGI - if and when we'll finally get to build it - would be to feed such texts into it and have it explain what the author was trying to convey. The first two paragraphs appear to suggest that fear of tomorrow is caused by psychically dying young, but the rest is as abstruse as a Nostradamus quatrain...

So was it hard to understand the meaning of, ‘truth is the last thing we want to hear.’ Imagine that instead of that being the last thing you want to hear as in you didn’t hear it, that instead you actually pondered the possibility you don’t want to heat and instead asked, ‘if I don’t want to hear the truth than how to I actually operate to avoid hearing it?’ I would suggest that an ideal way would be to tell yourself that what you are hearing is incomprehensible. And if, after considering that might be the case and you decided you actually really wanted to understand something you genuinely couldn’t actually make sense of originally, you could always try your best to do so by asking specific questions. You could specify what exactly you don’t understand, what you might guess it might, and ask for clarification. Otherwise, you can always sweep it under the rug as Nostradamus quatrains.

The problem, of course, is that truth is a paradox that resolves logical dualities only at a higher, different level of understanding, in a different state of awareness one can’t achieve by will.

Every seeker seeks to be better at being sick than being well. This is the game the ego plays. It pretends to be a seeker who is sincere. This is the invisible prison that from which grace is the only exit. There is only love. This can be known only to those who know it. Who seeks who doesn’t know they are lost?

Everybody is enlightened. It’s nice to know it.

To touch our pain brings rage. I accept what you feel. I know it well. But my hurt is not caused by you.

 

[Moonbeam]

I mean ChatGPT did a good job!

May I ask if you are suggesting I used AI to write my posts?

Also:

Would that a summary implied the one doing it also required comprehension. I guess if I can be humiliated enough I will be afraid to speak. They do say that vaporization bill be so quick we won’t feel a thing. What a blessing that is.

 

[Moonbeam]

I don't expect WW III to ever happen. It's been said that the hydrogen bomb was history's exclamation mark. It makes all out warfare by the nations with the greatest technological development obsolete. MAD, if you don't know the acronym, look it up. Nobody wins WW III. It's not a zero sum game it's an everybody loses game.

Dr. Strangelove was IMO Stanley Kubrick's greatest achievement. MAD does happen in the movie because of a quirky implementation of strategies and unforeseen circumstances. I have some faith that it won't happen. Of course, there are no guarantees, at least not that I know of. Thing is, the underpinnings of the mechanisms of nuclear deterrence and capabilities are largely secret, so it's difficult to know, maybe even for people with proprietary knowledge (top secret clearance and intelligence, both kinds). Many doubt that Russia's nukes and delivery systems would work given the incompetence they've displayed since their invasion of Ukraine.



I don't think Trump looks forward to engaging in warfare. He loves sound bites and stirring up turmoil but TACO, baby. The idea of being a wartime president scares him. That's my opinion.

I see two possible reasons to share your optimism with certain modesty reservations. I don’t really know anything but still feel as you do, perhaps foolishly.

One point is that a mass unconscious death wish depends on the degree of self hate present in the psyche and how much joy of being can still be experienced despite its hidden presence. I am quite certain nobody but folk like Hellen Keller escape early self destruction of natural self esteem, but the manner of her immunity carries its own form of nightmare. Hopefully the preservation of some personal dignity outweighs the mass psychosis we are experiencing.

Secondly, Trump has sinned. He has made everything so much about him he has attempted extortion via threat on the 1% class that even tax breaks can’t cover. He hat threatened another enemy that has the power to destroy him. Useful idiots can become dangerous idiots owing to their idiocy.

 

[Oric]

Living very near to the Middle East,(feeling the heat when it is turned on) I can easy conclude that there is nothing going on yet. Relax

 

[FelixDeCat]

Living very near to the Middle East,(feeling the heat when it is turned on) I can easy conclude that there is nothing going on yet. Relax

Netanyahu has bombed several countries in the Middle East. I think he wants to see how many he can bomb and get away with it even if Isreal is being shunned by the world.

If anyone will bring about the end times it will be Isreals attempts to gain more land through hostility and military aggression.

As is, he is uniting Middle East nations that may consider a unified military defense. And guess which Muslim nation has nuclear weapons? Pakistan. And which nation has the funds to develop them? Saudi Arabia.

Bombing Qatar was crossing the line and a warning to all in the region that defense needs to be a priority to deter Isreali aggression.

 

[WelshBloke]

May I ask if you are suggesting I used AI to write my posts?

I wasn't at all. I fed your post into ChatGPT and asked it to summarise it. Tbh I thought that it got the jist of things even if it did lose any subtlety.

Also:

Would that a summary implied the one doing it also required comprehension.

I mean without passing any judgement your posts can be wordy!

I guess if I can be humiliated enough I will be afraid to speak.

I absolutely apologise if that's how it came off. That was not my intention at all!

 

[cytg111]

With tech being what it is today vs WW2 and WW1 why would we expect WW3 to look like those?

So if you dont and you start to imagine what a modern WW would look like, are we not already there?

I place my bets according to what happens with Ukraine.

China could make a move in Taiwan in order to divide our attention. Bibbi has done a good job with Gaza. Multiple proxies over a long front. Started with Ukraine. Could argue it started with Ukraine 2014.

(and it's always the elite that successfully divides us, be it from our Russian, Chinese or ME brothers and sisters, all we really want to do is live peaceful meaningful lives with our families with personal freedoms and protections. ALWAYS some ahole with money and power)

 

[HomerJS]

Putin makes another incursion into a NATO country. They shoot down a Russian plane, Russia retaliates, and we are at war by statute.

We already committed acts of war against Iran and Venezuela.

 

[Pontius Dilate]

The world isn’t approaching anything, it just is what it is. The concept of specific end-times or Armageddon or whatnot is a human projection of ideas. To borrow Moonbeam’s vernacular, the idea that the world is currently approaching and-times is itself a manifestation of the same self-hate that Moonbeam describes. The world has been consistently approaching the end-times for many thousands of years according to humans.

 

[Jaskalas]

I live less than a mile from a military airstrip that can service intercontinental bombers so I surely have one of Putin's H-bombs basically pointed right at me, nuclear triad and all. Sadly not close enough to get vaporized

You underestimate megaton sized warheads.
Have you tried one of those blast range simulators?

 

[AnitaPeterson]

The world isn’t approaching anything, it just is what it is. [...] The world has been consistently approaching the end-times for many thousands of years according to humans.

In the nuclear age, this may be the last and final approach.

 

[gothuevos]

There is no way the regime won't be starting major wars in the next 5 years. It's what fascists do. Trump will follow in the footsteps of his predecessors like Hitler, Tojo, and Mussolini and millions of us will die. Should be fun since I live less than a mile from a military airstrip that can service intercontinental bombers so I surely have one of Putin's H-bombs basically pointed right at me, nuclear triad and all. Sadly not close enough to get vaporized in the blast but close enough to be set on fire immediately upon detonation before the sound wave comes and levels my house 4-5 seconds later. If I ever hear the 30 minute EAS warning I'll probably jump on my bike and go straight to across the street from the base's gates so I can be set on fire at a few thousand degrees instead of suffering being burned at a few hundred degrees and crushed by my roof tbh.

Holy shit dude

 

[BonzaiDuck]

With the risk of sounding preposterous, that's something I've been contemplating for a while.
Been working in media monitoring and analysis in the past 30 years. I also read a lot of history, political science and other humanities.
I can't shake the dreadful feeling that something ugly is just around the corner. It's the 1930s all over again, and a major war is brewing.
Earlier this week, I heard someone making plans for the fall of 2027. And I nearly told her "don't bother, we're probably going to have very different priorities by then."

The only thing that remains to be seen, if war is inevitable, is the extent of nuclear weapons use. Chemical and bacteriological weapons are not out of the equation, but less likely. But cybernetic (perhaps AI-augmented) strikes are guaranteed, as well as EMPs.

Unpleasant as it seems, it's probably worth your speculation. It's an underlying worry I've had.

Trump is reckless, as we know from destroying that boat that only supposedly carried drugs from Venezuela. The Enemies are watching. While I worry less about the Chinese, they've been eying Taiwan for years. Then, there is of course Russia. And DPRK with "Little Rocket Man".

DPRK's arsenal of nukes was recently cited as growing without restraint.

And Trump has either destroyed or weakened our alliances produced at great cost by my father's generation, and nurtured throughout many decades as an ongoing investment.

Personally I don't care what anyone says -- yes -- it will inspire an uprising of the remaining Trump Base, but I've got confetti, flags to mount on my SUV, the USMC Band playing Sousa marches blaring with the windows open, and a kazoo to blow loudly. I pray for a 50-caliber Zapruder Remake. So I can cheer loudly with relief.

But would the Constitutionally determined successor be less criminal and less crazy?