WW2 question: how was Stalin better than Hitler?

[zinfamous]

Patton wasn't driving. Obviously, a Russian spy was driving his jeep and ran it into that truck they hit as a kamikaze move.

Yeah, but it doesn't sound funny that way--if the accident sounded more legitimate, and was out of his control.

 

[Sonikku]

We didn't need Russia. We should have listened to the wisdom of the Republicans and just stayed out of it. (and make better friends with the Japaneses, they'd be making our Nintendo entertainment systems some day) By late 1945 we more or less could have determined the balance of power in the world as we saw fit.

 

[Anarchist420]

i cant believe so many people think that the u.s. govt made the best choice of three possible (when in fact the worst choice was made).

 

[OCGuy]

We didn't need Russia. We should have listened to the wisdom of the Republicans and just stayed out of it. (and make better friends with the Japaneses, they'd be making our Nintendo entertainment systems some day) By late 1945 we more or less could have determined the balance of power in the world as we saw fit.

That is kind of like saying Russia should have stayed out of it, and been better friends with the Germans?

 

[KeithTalent]

Better moustache, better dude. That's the rule.

KT

 

[OCGuy]

Better moustache, better dude. That's the rule.

KT

So basically Selleck is god.

 

[Jaskalas]

What made the allies decide to make him an equal?

Strength. We needed Russia to help secure the war.

Afterwards? No one had the balls to take on Russia.

 

[Sonikku]

That is kind of like saying Russia should have stayed out of it, and been better friends with the Germans?

No, they should have duked it out with each other while we kicked back and watched. Ain't neither of those bastards ever inventing Mario.

 

[OCGuy]

No, they should have duked it out with each other while we kicked back and watched. Ain't neither of those bastards ever inventing Mario.

I'm assuming you have no idea how the war for the US started....

 

[Nintendesert]

I'm assuming you have no idea how the war for the US started....

The US oil embargo. Everyone knows this.

 

[OCGuy]

The US oil embargo. Everyone knows this.

Close, but the answer is obviously 9/11.

 

[JTsyo]

to be fair, if Patton hadn't steered his jeep into a ditch in Luxemburg, he probably would have defied orders and driven the 3rd Army up Stalin's ass.




(at least, I like to think that's what would have happened. :|)

From what I've read, the Russians would have rolled over the rest of the Allies had there been a war. They had 4x the men and 2x the tanks. Churchill had a plan to attack the Russians but it was deemed unfeasible by Allied command.

 

[OCGuy]

From what I've read, the Russians would have rolled over the rest of the Allies had there been a war. They had 4x the men and 2x the tanks. Churchill had a plan to attack the Russians but it was deemed unfeasible by Allied command.

Moscow would have ended up a glass parking lot....

 

[zinfamous]

From what I've read, the Russians would have rolled over the rest of the Allies had there been a war. They had 4x the men and 2x the tanks. Churchill had a plan to attack the Russians but it was deemed unfeasible by Allied command.

well, yeah, it would have been a bad idea, considering that we knew full well they were more than willing to send 1 million+ meat shields to death to stop any kind of invasion.

but, there is this:

Moscow would have ended up a glass parking lot....

well....the deterance factor. Fact is, we had zero nuclear weapons at that point. None. We dropped our only two bombs in Japan. Even Truman did not know that at first, but was made aware of the situation shorty after Japan surrendered.

Of course, Stalin didn't know that, no one knew that. The threat was probably good enough, but turning them into glass would have been impossible.

 

[AstroManLuca]

I think Stalin was better at killing people.

 

[tynopik]

i cant believe so many people think that the u.s. govt made the best choice of three possible (when in fact the worst choice was made).

wait, what 3 choices?

 

[KeithTalent]

So basically Selleck is god.

Correct, but we already knew that.

KT

 

[OCGuy]

This is what happens when history is taught by TV Mini-series and JV Wrestling coaches.

 

[postmortemIA]

Shoulda woulda coulda

 

[zinfamous]

wait, what 3 choices?

dude....don't.

just, back away.

 

[rudeguy]

wait, what 3 choices?

you must be new here...

 

[StinkyPinky]

When the allies came together, it was decided to let Stalin have control of the eastern front. This was before we knew about the Final Solution and concentration camps.

I understand wanting to have a second front but why weren't controls put in place so that Stalin would have to relinquish the territory he conquered like the allies did?

In hind sight, he took over more territory than Hitler. He was just as cruel, if not more so. What made the allies decide to make him an equal?

And how would they force Stalin to do that? The Russians had the strongest army on that landmass. The US could never move that many troops over the ocean and the Brits were way too busy licking their wounds to do anything. That war ended their empire, that's how tough it was for them.

 

[rommelrommel]

to be fair, if Patton hadn't steered his jeep into a ditch in Luxemburg, he probably would have defied orders and driven the 3rd Army up Stalin's ass.




(at least, I like to think that's what would have happened. :|)

He wasn't even command of the 3rd anymore

And how would they force Stalin to do that? The Russians had the strongest army on that landmass. The US could never move that many troops over the ocean and the Brits were way too busy licking their wounds to do anything. That war ended their empire, that's how tough it was for them.

Rearm the Germans as per Patton's plans. If that would have been enough... who knows.

 

[EagleKeeper]

wait, what 3 choices?

Before you go that route, dip a toe into P&N.

Here is a starting point for reference.
thread

And if that does not affect you; search for other threads that he has started.

 

[Fayd]

Who the fuck are you - "we"?

you know the user base of this forum is overwhelmingly american. the forum is also hosted and based in america.

when someone says "we", odds are he's referring to america, or in this case contextually, who america was aligned with at the time. (western powers)