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Vdubchaos

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Nov 11, 2009
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Even if there was a WW3, we wouldn't even know it.......we would be hit without even knowing what hit us.....

and you better hope to be the one that's taken out too, cause what there is to follow is not a world worth living in.

:)
 

RaistlinZ

Diamond Member
Oct 15, 2001
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I thought something big was supposed to happen in September of this year? Is that still going down?
 

brianmanahan

Lifer
Sep 2, 2006
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over at bogleheads, somebody posts a link from this garbage site every few months or so

it is all a big ruse to pull in gullible idiots and take their money to defend against hairbrained apocolypse scenarios

their trick is always predict destruction 6 to 9 months out. then, just keep publishing these idiotic predictions every few months. nevermind they have never come true when they said that they would.
 

mmntech

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Sep 20, 2007
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War with Russia is unlikely. Even though the Cold War is over, the MAD doctrine is still in effect. Nuclear weapons are very good at preventing conflicts from escalating into all out wars. Despite disarmament efforts, the US and Russia still have large nuclear stockpiles.

This actually cancels out a number of potential WWIII scenarios between modern global rivals. All of whom are current nuclear powers, or are nuclear capable.

India vs Pakistan
Israel vs Iran
China vs USA
Russia vs NATO
North Korea vs USA

I won't say that we'll never see a global total war again, but the current political climate just doesn't favour it. Any wars in the foreseeable future are going to be highly regional.

Islamic State poses an interesting problem. It's a major regional threat, but not a global one. Their very ideology is anti-science, so they lack the ability to produce advanced weapons. Plus they haven't won any powerful allies. While the Saudis and Iranians may agree with them on certain ideological issues, they will not sacrifice their own sovereignty or interests. Both want to maintain a regional hegemony. Neither Russia or China are going to supply them for fear that they'll ally with their own militant Muslim minorities. IS has also put themselves at odds with other major Islamist groups like Al Qaeda and the Taliban.

If there were a full blown war with IS, it would be over fairly quickly. Any modern military would steamroll them in open combat. The only reason this hasn't happened yet is because no nation wants to be involved in the inevitable quagmire that would follow. The war itself would likely last a few months, but pockets of guerrilla fighting would continue for years afterwards. Same as we've saw in Iraq and Afghanistan. So right now, the focus is containment.

What ultimately allowed IS to take root was the fall of Saddam Hussein's Iraq. So much for the Iraq War stopping terror. The US doesn't like to admit that fact. Turns out destabilizing regimes, even bad ones, is not the best path to global peace. A lot of nations are going view the current conflict as the Americans' mess to clean up.

TLDR: Jim Rickards is full of shit. Just trying to justify the obscene amount of taxpayers' money the CIA and other intelligence agencies piss down the drain. Snowden sure kicked up a hornets nest.
 

alcoholbob

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May 24, 2005
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The only thing Iran might agree with the Islamic State on political issues, not ideological ones. They are completely 180 degrees from the Saudis.
 

norseamd

Lifer
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http://moneymorning.com/ext/articles/rickards/forget-iran-iraq-ukraine.php?from=oo



Tin foil or time to dig bunker and start hoarding canned goods?

Calling all ATOTers to form a p2p network so that we can keep neffing

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norseamd

Lifer
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Their very ideology is anti-science, so they lack the ability to produce advanced weapons.

You might want to take more care in believing that idea. Just wait until after any potential chemical or biological terrorism incidents.
 

norseamd

Lifer
Dec 13, 2013
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Nobody in the middle east has the military power to be a player in a world war. But the middle east as a whole is a very plausible cause of a world war, if not today then someday in the not too distant future. It's not hard to imagine a war being fought for oil and if the USA, Russia and China all need the dwindling reserves and more importantly, don't want the other guys to have it, what happens? One of the major powers invades Iran or Iraq or Kuwait or Saudi Arabia, another power intervenes, a third thinks they have to get involved or they'll get left out of the spoils and poof, world war.

There are many potential major wars but I find it hard to believe we are going to have any world war soon at all.
 

touchstone

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I knew it. I knew I was destined to lead a gang of Mad Max style road warriors in a post-apocalyptic desert wasteland.







You guys are all probably screwed though.
 

destrekor

Lifer
Nov 18, 2005
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War with Russia is unlikely. Even though the Cold War is over, the MAD doctrine is still in effect. Nuclear weapons are very good at preventing conflicts from escalating into all out wars. Despite disarmament efforts, the US and Russia still have large nuclear stockpiles.

This actually cancels out a number of potential WWIII scenarios between modern global rivals. All of whom are current nuclear powers, or are nuclear capable.

India vs Pakistan
Israel vs Iran
China vs USA
Russia vs NATO
North Korea vs USA

I won't say that we'll never see a global total war again, but the current political climate just doesn't favour it. Any wars in the foreseeable future are going to be highly regional.

Islamic State poses an interesting problem. It's a major regional threat, but not a global one. Their very ideology is anti-science, so they lack the ability to produce advanced weapons. Plus they haven't won any powerful allies. While the Saudis and Iranians may agree with them on certain ideological issues, they will not sacrifice their own sovereignty or interests. Both want to maintain a regional hegemony. Neither Russia or China are going to supply them for fear that they'll ally with their own militant Muslim minorities. IS has also put themselves at odds with other major Islamist groups like Al Qaeda and the Taliban.

If there were a full blown war with IS, it would be over fairly quickly. Any modern military would steamroll them in open combat. The only reason this hasn't happened yet is because no nation wants to be involved in the inevitable quagmire that would follow. The war itself would likely last a few months, but pockets of guerrilla fighting would continue for years afterwards. Same as we've saw in Iraq and Afghanistan. So right now, the focus is containment.

What ultimately allowed IS to take root was the fall of Saddam Hussein's Iraq. So much for the Iraq War stopping terror. The US doesn't like to admit that fact. Turns out destabilizing regimes, even bad ones, is not the best path to global peace. A lot of nations are going view the current conflict as the Americans' mess to clean up.

TLDR: Jim Rickards is full of shit. Just trying to justify the obscene amount of taxpayers' money the CIA and other intelligence agencies piss down the drain. Snowden sure kicked up a hornets nest.

I don't think MAD will ultimately prevent total global conflict, though it works as a strong deterrent. However, I think the premise will support the notion that nuclear weapons will not be used by state actors, because THAT is what opens up the can of worms. War can still happen, so long as parties don't go lobbying nukes at each other. Which is to say, people can and will still bomb the hell out of each other and send the tanks and troops across borders, and will do so with the typical risk/reward weighing that occurred prior to the nuke. What they won't do is willingly become the second nation ever to willingly drop a nuke on the lap of their enemy, because this time, that won't go unanswered. I think only the most literally psychotic understands that thread. Accepting that, standard warfare is still on the table, and will occur.

But today, with global economies so strongly interconnected, and with the lessons of the past actually firmly in mind, a world war is going to take one heck of a mess to shake up. I don't think this middle east nonsense will be the powderkeg. An assassination could still do it, but I don't think it'll devolve to that point so rapidly. Any movement toward all-out war will more likely follow the Japan v USA route, where heavy sanctions were imposed due to the various aggressions of Japan, starving them of oil; after so long, blood-thirsty Japan caved and decided to try to take out the entire US naval threat so that they could resume partaking in the spoils of Southeast Asia.

This theoretically could happen with Russia, but they don't have the economy to support it, and the sanctions haven't grown quite so harsh just yet. Harmful, but not damning. Even then, I don't see Russia snapping in the way Japan did, and had Japan been the only aggressor, I don't think that would have devolved into a world war, not with a war-weary Europe still collecting their breaths from that first go around. However, with Europe tearing each other's throats out, and Japan getting in the mix, that threw the whole world for a spin.

Russia wants the Northern Passage, and certainly want to lay claim to the massive hydrocarbon pockets in the Arctic Circle. As the world warms and the ice melts, that will further stress just about every nation. Couple that with wide-open untapped resources when things are becoming increasingly bleak, and a feral dog won't be backed into a corner; if things shape up a certain way, Russia could very well snap, but I don't see it happening.

I actually don't see much threat from China, not yet. Their entire economy depends upon, well, mostly "the West." You can't easily upset your largest customer and expect to be able to tango with them if you start slapping you around.
China, too, is likely to face their own internal strife. With such a vastly changing economy and a rapidly changing demographic balance (in terms of income classes), I think they'll have a mess of their own making to focus upon for awhile, sometime within the next 50 years. North Korea will likely get involved and ultimately implode.

The whole mess in the Middle East will ultimately just result in some redrawn borders. There is a remote potential that the M.E. will play out in a similar fashion as Europe, and global allies get drawn in and eventually borders get redrawn, but I think they just need their period religious fervor to grow, fall, and clean themselves up. The only variable is how caught up the rest of the world gets in their squabbles, which is a bomb of a variable if there ever was one, but it might not turn out as bad as some expect.
 

norseamd

Lifer
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This theoretically could happen with Russia, but they don't have the economy to support it, and the sanctions haven't grown quite so harsh just yet. Harmful, but not damning. Even then, I don't see Russia snapping in the way Japan did, and had Japan been the only aggressor, I don't think that would have devolved into a world war, not with a war-weary Europe still collecting their breaths from that first go around. However, with Europe tearing each other's throats out, and Japan getting in the mix, that threw the whole world for a spin.

The Russians are who I am most worried about right now. You would think Putin is smarter than this but maybe he is is against the wall in keeping his power and thus he needs to keep the fundamentalists entertained.

Russia wants the Northern Passage, and certainly want to lay claim to the massive hydrocarbon pockets in the Arctic Circle. As the world warms and the ice melts, that will further stress just about every nation. Couple that with wide-open untapped resources when things are becoming increasingly bleak, and a feral dog won't be backed into a corner; if things shape up a certain way, Russia could very well snap, but I don't see it happening.

http://warontherocks.com/2015/05/the-anti-access-challenge-youre-not-thinking-about/

I actually don't see much threat from China, not yet. Their entire economy depends upon, well, mostly "the West." You can't easily upset your largest customer and expect to be able to tango with them if you start slapping you around.

Doubt the Chinese are going to press for war any time soon as they are getting lots of influence and benefits from their soft power right now and they are using salami slicing in the Asia-Pacific geopolitical area.
 

Paratus

Lifer
Jun 4, 2004
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<INAWORLD>
One CIA-Analyst knows the truth......

World War III is only months away.....

No one believes him.........

Can he stop Armageddon before it's too late!........

Chris Pine
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Is Jack Ryan!
</INAWORLD>
 

norseamd

Lifer
Dec 13, 2013
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The whole mess in the Middle East will ultimately just result in some redrawn borders. There is a remote potential that the M.E. will play out in a similar fashion as Europe, and global allies get drawn in and eventually borders get redrawn, but I think they just need their period religious fervor to grow, fall, and clean themselves up. The only variable is how caught up the rest of the world gets in their squabbles, which is a bomb of a variable if there ever was one, but it might not turn out as bad as some expect.

Honestly I think the major concerns are the Israelis and the Turks and their current devolution into fundamentalism. Both countries are possibly supporting the ISIS in the current conflict which is very threatening to their neighbors.
 

Red Squirrel

No Lifer
May 24, 2003
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The nice thing of living in the north, most people don't even know we exist, let alone want to attack us. :p The biggest threat is not terrorism or acts of war, it's governments that want to pass new laws to try to stop terrorism.
 

sportage

Lifer
Feb 1, 2008
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WW III?
If true, not on a Monday. That's my bowling night.
And no Tuesdays. Poker game.
Wednesdays are good for me.
 

JTsyo

Lifer
Nov 18, 2007
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Any sort of invasion on American soil has to consider we have over 6 million hunters. Hunting rifles are designed to drop a deer humanly with a single shot. Military weapons like assault rifles are designed to wound more than kill (each wounded person needs two more to care for them, transport etc, removes three from combat).

Debt issue, no its a plus. Push come to shove and the Chinese will protect there investment.

Unless the US armed forces were taken out in some kind of surprise attack, civilians would never even see an enemy soldier. Unless I'm missing some battle, the War of 1812 must have been the last time there were enemy soldiers in a populated part (this is to discount the Japanese in Alaska) of the US.
 

John Connor

Lifer
Nov 30, 2012
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What ultimately allowed IS to take root was the fall of Saddam Hussein's Iraq. So much for the Iraq War stopping terror. The US doesn't like to admit that fact. Turns out destabilizing regimes, even bad ones, is not the best path to global peace. A lot of nations are going view the current conflict as the Americans' mess to clean up.


That's because obozo pulled out like a pussy. Bush wouldn't.
 

Vdubchaos

Lifer
Nov 11, 2009
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What ultimately allowed IS to take root was the fall of Saddam Hussein's Iraq. So much for the Iraq War stopping terror. The US doesn't like to admit that fact. Turns out destabilizing regimes, even bad ones, is not the best path to global peace. A lot of nations are going view the current conflict as the Americans' mess to clean up.
.

Wait, you think we went to Iraq cause we give a shit about Iraq or it's people....for peace?

ROTFL

And you also think IS is some kind of a threat to US?

I would suggest you turn off your TV and ignore their BS they feed you......
 

Vdubchaos

Lifer
Nov 11, 2009
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That's because obozo pulled out like a pussy. Bush wouldn't.

We could never afford that war, but Bush was able to print money and hand it over to his buddies corps.

Iraq was nothing more than extraction of FUTURE American money > military/weapons/security sectors.

NOTHING to do with peace or other BS they want you to believe.

I call it "worlds biggest robbery". America got ass raped, and based on this thread.....they don't even know it.

:)
 

destrekor

Lifer
Nov 18, 2005
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The nice thing of living in the north, most people don't even know we exist, let alone want to attack us. :p The biggest threat is not terrorism or acts of war, it's governments that want to pass new laws to try to stop terrorism.

Russia wants part of the Arctic that Canada would very much like to claim. Nobody cares much about Canada, but you have important hydrocarbon resources. ;)