Originally posted by: SampSon
Originally posted by: FreshPrince
Originally posted by: SampSon
Originally posted by: FreshPrince
Originally posted by: SampSon
Originally posted by: FreshPrince
Originally posted by: fisher
Originally posted by: FreshPrince
Originally posted by: fisher
breaking and entering is not hacking.
if I had physical access to a server room, I can own 95% of the machines there...so ya, it's hacking!
1st rule of hacking...
okay. if that guy is breaking into there he's probably just gonna take your stuff, not hack you. he could hack you from the outside.
ok if I were that guy...again that's IF:
I would disable the camera, it's not hard and in plain sight...
after that, I would proceed to physically hack into a server or router and give myself root access. from there, I can plant a back door.
oh ya, I'll steal a couple of server too just to make it look like I robbed the place, but in fact, I just gave myself a backdoor, which might take months to find...
get it yet? you don't have to hack from the outside...often times, people hack from the inside...it's much easier
again, that's if, I'm not showing you how to hack...
Are you an admin or a security guard?
This is like an exchange from 1995.
Any network worth its salt would have such redundant logging that the "backdoor" wouldn't last a day. Mabey you could bust out the sub7 and really pwn them!
LOL...go take a real hacking class please...any good hacker now a days would know how to hide a backdoor without trace.
besides, nowadays, networks run much leaner with much less staff, so ya, it takes longer to find backdoors. companies don't hire you just to look at the log files for one server, that's before the bubble burst. you're probably one of those lazy admins that didn't want to learn anything new and got phased out by the new breed of network engineers that can do everything. don't be bitter...
haha "hacking class", that's a good one, must be one of thoes new fangled, organized edumakation things. Back in the day the only "hacking" classes were available from the school of hard knocks.
I was one of thoes admins that was hired as a programmer and then took an admin job because the huge company I worked for needed people to help engineer the merging of huge networks (I'll give you a hint, it was the major telco for the northeast). I don't need to hear how networks run from the likes of you. The NOC we primarily worked in makes your server closet look like, well, a closet. Hell one DSLAM in one CO cost more than your entire pea shooter network, and that was the smallest division, albeit a growing one. If this techie stuff gets your weewee hard then you would have creamed your pants if you saw the primary NOCs at this place. Think the bridge of the star trek enterprise, except 10x bigger.
If the gorgeous severance package offer that I took is considered being "phased out" then so be it, anyone would want to be "phased out" like that. I left the IT game because it became commoditized [sic], homogenized and flooded with cheap slave labor ("engineers" aka labor, that can do everything and undercut themselves). It went from fun, new and exciting to old hat like classic economics or construction.
I know you're the VP (or technology officer, manager, whatever, aka. tech bitch) of some badass company, but really we can only take so much e-penis waving around here, and my meter is broken taking readings in this thread. After leaving the IT game I realized that IT companies and workers are nothing but cogs in the process of real business. Without real business IT really has no purpose.
So I hope you had fun waving your e-penis around, it really impressed me and everyone else who clicked on this thread. I'm sure you're quite the busy man, not like you have time to make 100+ new threads in the past month, but I don't have any more time to banter back and forth, I've got appointments to make it to tomorrow. It's been marginally fun and I hope you don't take any serious offence to me pointing out the true intent of your thread which is to wave the e-penis around and further resign yourself to the fact that you need to get out more, because you're watching security cameras of a NOC at 12:30am.
Cheers to :beer: and make sure your slaveboy there changes the tapes properly!
you gave yourself away....a programmer that become an admin...LOL! you have no idea how real companies run their IT nowadays because you're still living in the past. And anyone who worked for a major telco company can show off "their" noc, but I'm not trying to show off my server room. Nor was I trying to compare my server room to a CO. Stop trying to show off you "e-penee"
I'm just showing a picture...your ego couldn't take it and have to point out the obvious? what obvious is that? that you still miss the game? By the way, your super expensive enterprise star trek sized noc supported what a multi-billion company? So does mine, but it's much smaller as you pointed out and offers a hundred times more servicces than just a link for companies. I can do 100 times more than you for 1/100th our cost...now who's "e-penee" is bigger? :shocked: That IS the new IT and you obviously couldn't deliver...
I can honestly say that I built that place from the ground up, can you? You took over a NOC that was already built by people better than you. Any noc monkey can be in maintenance mode. And yes, I was right, you were phased out...I don't care how large a severance package you took. Why? Because you couldn't cut it anymore, not because they didn't want you. You were considered fat, and they had to get rid of it...bottom line. I'm just looking at it from a 50 thousand feet top management perspective and "pointing out the obvious...."
IT in an IT based business is the heart and soul of the business. What's this no purpose you're talking about?
I don't need to watch security cameras all day, they send alerts to my blackberry. Again, welcome to the new IT. My shop runs well, which affords me the time to goof around on ATOT, don't hate.
I take no offense to anything posted on an online forum, I have no such insecurities. I'm just here to have fun, I hold no grudges against anyone, because life is too complicated to have to worry about such silly things from people you don't know or care about. But hey, :beer: :beer: back at ya and my shift manager will make sure the tapes are swapped out and encrypted properly, don't worry
What exactly did I give away, besides none of the details? I'll give you some of the details. During the merger a strike happened, so they asked us non-union guys to form into teams and perform certain tasks. My teams task was to setup a brand new NOC that specialized in dsl and b2b services. Our budget was 20 million, we didn't use all of it. So the team of 10 people I worked with designed and setup a brand new NOC, we didn't take an existing one over, it was our own doing. Nice little poke trying to say it was "done by people better than me".
Now this was also on top of my already existing programming/administration duties. So I didn't "become" an admin, I already was one as well as a programmer. Now the compensation for doing this special scab work was substantial, well worth the 18 hours a day we put into it. So as much as you would like to think I was some drone sitting in a pre-existing NOC, that is far from the truth. So if taking on a special NOC engineering assignment nearly 1000 miles away from home for the sake of the company, while getting constantly pestered by strking union employees is "giving myself away" then so be it. As for delivering 100x the amount of services, I highly doubt you even begin to understand the true makeup of a telco, I'm sure you would like to think you do, but you simply don't. Sure you could now offer more IT services than me, that's because you're still in the tech monkey game.
Remind me again if you can program or not?
I was far from "phased out". Actually what happened is that the teams who undertook these special assignments were all offered full union jobs with heafty pay raises (20K+). The catch was that we would have to relocate to an area in the mid-south coastal region. There isn't enough money in the world that would make me want to live in the south. We were far from considered "fat", in fact we were considered "cream", which is why the special assignments and then further premium employment was offered. I have a life and family in the area I live in and was not willing to leave it just for an extra 25K in cash and plenty of benefits. Nearly 90% of the people offered these positions of power refused them for the same reasons. So we all took the severance packages and went on our merry ways.
I could at the time fully "cut it" and I did, because I went to another start-up company and designed their entire infastructure. This company is now the #1 company at what it does, actually it's one of the only companies that provides the service it does. I also left that company through a business connection and changed careers into something I enjoyed more both for the money and for the work. I consider that a good thing, and it has turned out to be a very good thing.
As for your "50 thousand feet top management position", I just don't buy it. In a thread you claim you're the VP of the company, but in the same post claim you're qualified for CIO position but don't have it. So you're qualified to be second in command of a company, but not the CIO. On top of that the CIO position offers you that much more money than a VP position? That is truly a case of "just a useless title". Then in other threads you say you are breaking your back installing bladeservers into their racks. Frankly I think you're completely glorifying your mid-level management position, and from your posts I can come to no other conclusion but that. VPs of a company don't go down and break their backs installing server racks and configuring machines, they have IT professionals hired to do that.
A VP is an executive position, who is there to make high level decisions and appease the BOD, not to install servers into their racks. If the claims in your posts were consistant I might be inclined to believe you, but the reality is there is no consistency and I find your personal upgrading of middle management position to VP of a company to be humorous. Any person in an executive postion such as VP would have more tact than you have ever displayed, they would also know how cliche "pointing out the obvious" is. No VP I know has as much free time to dick around on a forum as you, but you must be the best of the best of the best, right?
As for IT, it merely provides other businesses with a means to do business "electronically". Without these other companies requiring services IT would have no profit producing place in the economy. IT doesn't survive providing "IT services" to IT clients. IT companies are a cog in business, they are paid to push, store, present data and provide some sort of communication link, nothing more. IT is just a service, not a self-sustaining entity.
You can have the "new IT' you speak of. You use that buzz word as if it actually means something. Fact is that it doesn't. It's nothing more than updated equipment and code. There is little (if any) difference from "old IT" and "new IT". In the end they both perform the same task, providing a service to a client. In the industry I'm in now IT is nothing more than a way to facilitate our business. Whoever gets the job done properly at the right price gets the deal, none of us care how badass you think "new IT" is. IT is IT is IT, you're all just service providing tech monkeys to us, give it whatever label you want, but the businesses you cater to don't give a flying sh!t what you call it, we just want it to work.
So in the end you are just a glorified tech monkey manager, and from what I see you posting also a full time monkey as well. If you like it that's all well and good, I just got sick of it as a primary means of income. Fortunatly I could easily put myself right back into the thick of things in the IT market with minimal effort, hell I bet if I sent my resume to your company (without your prior knowledge) I would still be a prime candidate for nearly any IT position you offer. Though the good thing is that I'm done with that hoop-jumping extravaganza, probably never to return. Once you turn your hobby into a career it typically ruins your hobby, this I discovered the hard way I suppose.
So have fun running your servers, fiddling your balls with a blackberry and thinking that IT is more than just a disposable service. I hope the company you work for does well and you continue down your new and
darlingly bold "new IT" path, but watch out for on the job injuries!
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