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Originally posted by: Shawn
Well I don't have any hard numbers but Superfetch seems to do it's job. Compared to XP, applications seem to open much faster and the computer just feels more responsive as a whole.
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Here ya go:

http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/01/31/...sta-superfetch-and-readyboostanalyzed/

In addition, I've been running Vista since it hit MSDN (so about a year now). After RTM, it took me about 2 months before I completely removed my WinXP install (I naturally was running each OS on separate HDs). I really haven't regretted my decision, and made it well aware what I was getting myself into.

Vista has proven to be a reasonable upgrade.

 
Originally posted by: Parasitic
MacOS is so awesome right out of the box.
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look at all those games you can play!
those commercials are so backwards. what fun do mac people really get to enjoy? Drawing and random media editing apps are not fun, they are work. Just a different kind of work. 😉

also, when you are the only company selling the computers, that means you know the hardware included in the machine. All new versions of the OS can then include the drivers necessary.
Windows has the problem of being used on computers with wide ranging brands of hardware.
 
Originally posted by: bsobel
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Shawn
Vista has been more stable for me than the latest XP.

It is also faster.
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If show me the same PC set up side by side proof of this I would shut up forever.
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a) Not bloody likely
b) When do you want to swing by? My V64 rig is stable as a rock and I couldn't fully utilize this box with XP if I wanted to...
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You bring up a good point. I have not seen anyone with V64 complain.

This seems to be a 32 bit problem.
 
Originally posted by: destrekor
Originally posted by: Parasitic
MacOS is so awesome right out of the box.
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look at all those games you can play!
those commercials are so backwards. what fun do mac people really get to enjoy? Drawing and random media editing apps are not fun, they are work. Just a different kind of work. 😉

also, when you are the only company selling the computers, that means you know the hardware included in the machine. All new versions of the OS can then include the drivers necessary.
Windows has the problem of being used on computers with wide ranging brands of hardware.
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Hey, by all means I'm NOT a hardcore Mac user. I just do think though for the typical user Apple does have it nailed. Maybe that's why they're actually enjoying and seeing the profit margin.

Remember Wintel?
 
You can still get Windows XP in your Dell builds can't you? Under small business and education it seemed.
I haven't played around with the Dell site for ages.
 
You bring up a good point. I have not seen anyone with V64 complain.
This seems to be a 32 bit problem.
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People on 32bit rigs are more likely to be using older drivers to make some devices work, since xp64 never caught on that wasn't an option.

Skipping driver issues (as others have said in this post), what is the 'problem' your refering to. My Vista32 boxes are as stable as my XP and Windows 2003 boxes are. I'm just wondering if this is all resistance to change or if you've run into any real issue (I know you ran into the file copy bug, but to be fair there was a hotfix already available by the time you ran into it....).

And before I get thrown into the Vista zealot camp, I run MacOS and Linux as well. I just have trouble seeing how most people (on reasonable hw) don't think Vista is an improvemnt over XP. I do suspect most people who feel this way haven't actually used it.
 
Originally posted by: destrekor
Originally posted by: Boo Boo
so many people brainwashed by big ole bill. its to bad they can't think on their own and are the puppets of the heirarchy.

there are the few who try and control what people know when the truth is out so don't let them

Vista is overpriced junk that should be flushed. dont allow them to cloud your saneness
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sadly we as consumers have no power and if you want DX10 you are forced to upgrade. You can do it once Service Pack 1 is available and fixes the things wrong, but I'll be happy to upgrade for the sole reason of DX10. That and I can get the Ultimate version from OSU as Student Media... sometime soon, whenever it gets here.
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I used to be pretty upset at the whole dx10 thing, then people started working on porting it to other os's. Now I'm confident that I'll be able to run dx10 on a non-vista system soon. Once that happens the only reason to switch will be gone.
 
Originally posted by: bsobel


And before I get thrown into the Vista zealot camp, I run MacOS and Linux as well. I just have trouble seeing how most people (on reasonable hw) don't think Vista is an improvemnt over XP. I do suspect most people who feel this way haven't actually used it.
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That's basically what it comes down to. I did a fresh install of Vista on my laptop and I love it. Microsoft really put in some cool features for laptop users. Plug a projector into a laptop and not only will Vista find the projector, it can disable your screen saver, blank out the background, and set the audio at a certain level. There's also the Mobility Center where you can change a lot of notebook settings in one window.

I don't see why people bash UAC. It's a very good feature and I think most of the people bashing it either used a Vista beta, or heard from somewhere that it was annoying. It's not. I'll gladly spend the 2 secs it takes to press 'allow' once while I'm installing something or changing a system setting so that it stops most unauthorized software from installing.
 
after about 2 weeks of using, here are my impressions:

firefox seems to crash more on vista
control panels and applications take longer to load
the rest of it seems pretty stable

i really like the by-application volume control. i can keep sports radio playing in IE while watching youtube on FF, and use the separate control to mute the sports radio (which doesn't have a volume control in the applet)
 
E521 here at work. Vista Business. Sucks hard. At the time about 4 months ago I want to say, Dell had said NO to pre installing XP. So I had to go with Vista. So unstable. Startup takes 20 minutes from power on to a usable desktop. and I say a usable desktop because YES I can see the desktop but crap is still going on in the background that makes it impossible to start anything. Spooler crashes on a regular basis (HP Print Driver Problem). Disabling Aero helped quite a bit, and getting rid of sidebar. Office 2007 document open time is around 45 seconds.

I'll probably be doing a fresh install next week.
 
Originally posted by: Conky
I never bashed XP but I see no need for Vista other than to sell more hardware and bring digital rights management to our pc's.

There's an old expression... don't fix what ain't broke. Why Microsoft chose this "fix", abandoning a perfectly fine O/S and trying to force us all to use this bloated new one, is beyond me.
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Why? That's easy - money.
 
Originally posted by: jman19
Originally posted by: Conky
I never bashed XP but I see no need for Vista other than to sell more hardware and bring digital rights management to our pc's.

There's an old expression... don't fix what ain't broke. Why Microsoft chose this "fix", abandoning a perfectly fine O/S and trying to force us all to use this bloated new one, is beyond me.
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Why? That's easy - money.
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what's the reason Apple keeps releasing these new "OS's" and are charging people insane amounts given what they are. Apple could easily release all the new features of each new increment of OS X as service packs. They don't want to built OS XI, because they don't need to. But they are getting away with essentially doing the same practice and everyone ignores it.

Sure, Microsoft didn't necessarily need to create a new OS. But as an OS company, it needs the sales of new OS's to increase profit flow. Instead of charging for a new, updated version of the same bloody OS, Microsoft at least had 5 years pass since the last OS and has sought an actually better product. Over time Vista, I believe, will be hailed as better than XP in terms of stability and code management. You can't change the kernel in a Service Pack. And Microsoft has never (at least recently) tried to offer a service pack for the cost of a full OS.
 
Originally posted by: Tobolo
DBaN it. Put XP on there. Best thing you can do.

Vista Ultimate is the bane of all existence lol
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You posting this FUD is the bane of all existence...

lol

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Originally posted by: bsobel
Of course, you here something from a friend and repeat it like it's a fact. If you don't know the differnce between UAC and DEP you have no business giving advise on it to others.
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Very true. DEP (I believe it's Data Environment Protection or something like that) enables the special "anti-malware" built into the processor to help thwart a process writing into another process' memory space by writing malevolent return values (i.e. when a function quits, there's a return value that tells it what address to go back to to continue functioning... change that value and you can tell it to go wherever you want and execute any code).

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
You bring up a good point. I have not seen anyone with V64 complain.

This seems to be a 32 bit problem.
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In my opinion, you may see "more 32 bit problems" because a majority of the 32-bit Vista installed PCs are pieces of OEM garbage that are under-specced and built improperly. The enthusiast communities don't dislike OEMs like Dell and HP because of their stellar support of Indian CSRs, their products tend to either be overpriced (their gaming line) or somewhat shoddy (the low-end PCs). The only thing people ever seen to recommend are the LCDs, which I'm using one right now and I do like this Dell monitor. Turns on in like a second :Q! Remember in the early days of XP, machines were marketed that barely had enough power to run XP.

I am running 32-bit Vista and have been since before it came out in the retail channels (so about 5 months or so). I have never once had a blue screen of death with Vista. My media machine is running Vista 64 and it hasn't had any problems either.
 
Vista: :thumbsup:

Dell's installation of Vista, Dell's special version of Internet Explorer (I don't have a clue what Dell changes besides "internet explorer provided by Dell", but I always have trouble until I reinstall it), Dell's drivers, and every other aspect of the software and OS controlled by Dell: :thumbsdown:

 
Win98 -> WinXP was great because of the much better stability. It was a "slam dunk" upgrade.

Windows XP, and the Windows operating system in general, has matured to the point that I feel no urge to upgrade. I have zero performance/stability/driver/security issues with XP. I don't need a new GUI with cool eye candy. My apps run great on XP. My games run great on XP. The long standing issue with IE security is moot, since I use firefox.

I sigh though, because I know a couple years down the line as DX10 games come out and I need to upgrade my system to use 4GB+ of RAM, I will be "forced" to upgrade. I'm not too disappointed though, because hopefully by then a service pack or two will be released, the DRM FUD will be addressed and public input taken, and 3rd party driver issues will be a thing of the past.

EDIT: lol, you'd think the anandtech forums would prevent something as silly as a blank post.
 
EDIT: lol, you'd think the anandtech forums would prevent something as silly as a blank post.
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You'd think a user with over 300 posts would know to hit the edit button on said blank post 🙂
 
Vista Business Premium has been on my Mac Book Pro ever since it came out... It had all the drivers but the wireless and has worked flawlessly since I've installed it. Although, I use OSX much much more then vista.
 
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