wtf?

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: thepd7
I am just waiting for the next time a fully functional robot spontaneously forms (sorry, evolves) out of a bag of bolts, circuit boards, and wires (batteries would have to evolve on their own naturally).

Might take a few billion years but I really think it's gonna happen!

(Hoping this is sarcasm, but in the event it's not: )
You don't really have any idea how it works, do you?

Besides, you forgot to use the "tornado + junkyard = 747 jet" BS example which has a similar lack of truth.


To address HeroOfPellinor's post below this one:
For those who want my evolution bit, it's in this old thread, toward the bottom of the page. Enjoy. (Google was used to find the volume of Earth's oceans, and the wattage per square meter influx of energy from the sun. That was it.)

Summarized: Gradual change among billions upon billions of organisms over immense expanses of time.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: manowar821

Originally posted by: MrWizzard
It's crazy that in a FREE country people can believe what they want huh!

It's also crazy that in a free country, where people are free to learn anything they want or need, they're still so ignorant.

So explain to me in your own words without googling it, how evolution works. Thanks.

Still waiting. How's the googling going?

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: andy9o

Originally posted by: Kalvin00

Originally posted by: MrWizzard

Originally posted by: Kalvin00

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: nonameo
I seriously doubt that half of all americans think that we just showed up in a great swish or poof. I think we're missing some information here.

By "swish or poof" do you mean a "bang"?

Umm...no, he's referring to creationism, where miraculously some man who appeared from no where, with ultimate powers created a universe.

I'm not surprised by the numbers...it's scary how religion has such a stranglehold on so much of our country.

Umm...no, he's referring to evolution, where miraculously some stuff which appeared from no where, with a bang created a universe.

I'm not surprised by the numbers...it's scary how evolution has such a stranglehold on so much of our country.

It would only seem logical to me, in this case, to go with whatever has any evidence to support it

Good point...

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: MrWizzard
It's crazy that in a FREE country people can believe what they want huh!

Yeah, WTF, this country was formed by atheists damn it! When did all these Christians get here?

isn't it kind of funny that it was a country founded without religion, and yet now this country is now one of the most religious in the world. but Britain and states in Europe in general were founded on religion, had large-scale religious wars and massacres because of religion, and now the citizens of those european states are some of the least religious people?

 

[SlowSpyder]

Sweet! Another evolution vs. creation thread!

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: destrekor
isn't it kind of funny that it was a country founded without religion, and yet now this country is now one of the most religious in the world. but Britain and states in Europe in general were founded on religion, had large-scale religious wars and massacres because of religion, and now the citizens of those european states are some of the least religious people?

Everything seems to swing back and forth like a pendulum. Religion, peace/wars, the economy (bear vs bull), politics (democrat vs republican) - it just keeps going back and forth. Different things just follow fluctuation periods of different lengths.
The grass is always greener....

 

[nick1985]

Lets see, one has massive amounts of evidence to support it...and the other has 0 evidence. Man, this is a tough call...

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: nick1985
Lets see, one has massive amounts of evidence to support it...and the other has 0 evidence. Man, this is a tough call...

What evidence? Pigs teeth?

 

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: nick1985
Lets see, one has massive amounts of evidence to support it...and the other has 0 evidence. Man, this is a tough call...

What evidence? Pigs teeth?

You cant honestly deny all the evidence to support evolution...can you?

 

[sao123]

Originally posted by: nick1985

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: nick1985
Lets see, one has massive amounts of evidence to support it...and the other has 0 evidence. Man, this is a tough call...

What evidence? Pigs teeth?

You cant honestly deny all the evidence to support evolution...can you?

Yes, I can...
Just as easily as you can say that the Bible isnt a historical Document.

 

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: sao123

Originally posted by: nick1985

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: nick1985
Lets see, one has massive amounts of evidence to support it...and the other has 0 evidence. Man, this is a tough call...

What evidence? Pigs teeth?

You cant honestly deny all the evidence to support evolution...can you?

Yes, I can...
Just as easily as you can say that the Bible isnt a historical Document.

I personally believe in God, but to sit and deny the massive amounts of evidence of evolution is a absurd. Whats funny is the extreme bible thumpers rarely do anything to try to disprove the evidence, all they do is say "LALALA I DONT BELIEVE IT LALALALA". We had a kid on my cross-country team in college that didnt believe in dinosaurs. Since the earth was only a few thousand years old roll, there couldnt have been dinosaurs. How did he explain the bones you ask? LOL...he said they were put there by God to test his faith.

Hows that story for a bible thumper...

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: MrWizzard
It's crazy that in a FREE country people can believe what they want huh!

Yeah, WTF, this country was formed by atheists damn it! When did all these Christians get here?

isn't it kind of funny that it was a country founded without religion, and yet now this country is now one of the most religious in the world. but Britain and states in Europe in general were founded on religion, had large-scale religious wars and massacres because of religion, and now the citizens of those european states are some of the least religious people?

Well, I was being sarcastic.

If you look at my sig, that was George Washington who said that. The Declaration of Independence, in fact, is littered with references to God. Clearly it was their belief that largely motivated and strengthened the resolve of the signers decisions.

You may not have ever stopped to ponder this, but Christianity dictates a secular government and that is what our religeous founding father created. Free will is at the core of Christianity. Which is what is so distastedful about people attacking any and every reference to God or the Bible they find anywere on Public land. That Christian iconography should make you feel secure knowing that it INSISTS you always have your civil liberties and that your right to be atheist or Christian or Buddhist or nothing be guarded. You cannot, in fact, be a believer unless you have the reasonable option of not believing.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: nick1985

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: nick1985
Lets see, one has massive amounts of evidence to support it...and the other has 0 evidence. Man, this is a tough call...

What evidence? Pigs teeth?

You cant honestly deny all the evidence to support evolution...can you?

Again I ask. What evidence?

You are so secure in your belief I'm sure you can name off a few dozen piece of evidence.

Also, since Manofwar disappeared, perhaps you could explain for me, in your own words without googling it, exactly how evolution works. Again, you are so secure in your belief and you wouldn't be unless you had a full working understanding of the process, right? You don't just believe it because all your teachers and peers do, right?

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: michaelsslave
well i was watching CNN late last night and during they show some reporter said that '53% of Americans believe in creationism' wtf

Same question. Please, explain to me in your own words and without googling it, how the process of evolution works.

Also, how does evolution relate to origin theory?

 

[nick1985]

Without googling:

Look at the evidence from Olduvai Gorge (SP) In Eastern Africa. There is MASSIVE amounts of evidence from fossils dug up there that show that that is where humanity began. Look up the "out of africa" model for human dispersion throughout the world. Complete skeletons have been recovered that are Tens of THOUSANDS of years old (but the world is only 3k years old, so how can that be? ).

Look up "australopithecus" (sp).

Bah, Ive gotta go to practice, ill be back later. hopefully by then you have read up on the findings on Eastern Africa!


Not bad for no googling eh?

 

[Descartes]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: MrWizzard
It's crazy that in a FREE country people can believe what they want huh!

Yeah, WTF, this country was formed by atheists damn it! When did all these Christians get here?

isn't it kind of funny that it was a country founded without religion, and yet now this country is now one of the most religious in the world. but Britain and states in Europe in general were founded on religion, had large-scale religious wars and massacres because of religion, and now the citizens of those european states are some of the least religious people?

Well, I was being sarcastic.

If you look at my sig, that was George Washington who said that. The Declaration of Independence, in fact, is littered with references to God. Clearly it was their belief that largely motivated and strengthened the resolve of the signers decisions.

I'm no scholar on the Declaration of Independence, but I'm curious how you find that it's littered with references to God. Also keep in mind that "God" in that context need not equal the Christian God or any other version in a competing doctrine. You might have a case if there's reference to the Bible, Christianity or anything else depicting a God as something other than just a reference to general physical order.

You may not have ever stopped to ponder this, but Christianity dictates a secular government and that is what our religeous founding father created.

Christianity dictating a secular government? Where exactly are you getting this?

Free will is at the core of Christianity. Which is what is so distastedful about people attacking any and every reference to God or the Bible they find anywere on Public land. That Christian iconography should make you feel secure knowing that it INSISTS you always have your civil liberties and that your right to be atheist or Christian or Buddhist or nothing be guarded. You cannot, in fact, be a believer unless you have the reasonable option of not believing.

And you can display whatever you want on your property (ok, HOA might have some restrictions in the covenant; ironic use of the latter word), but how can you first say our government is dictated to be secular and then feel secure in the display of the complete opposite on public property? Same goes for government institutions.

IMO, you're missing the point of the constitution and the Bible in this context.

 

[BigRig04]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: nick1985

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: nick1985
Lets see, one has massive amounts of evidence to support it...and the other has 0 evidence. Man, this is a tough call...

What evidence? Pigs teeth?

You cant honestly deny all the evidence to support evolution...can you?

Again I ask. What evidence?

You are so secure in your belief I'm sure you can name off a few dozen piece of evidence.

Also, since Manofwar disappeared, perhaps you could explain for me, in your own words without googling it, exactly how evolution works. Again, you are so secure in your belief and you wouldn't be unless you had a full working understanding of the process, right? You don't just believe it because all your teachers and peers do, right?

I'll give my quick opinion on it..

I'll start with something we all know, say a lizard. Lizard is solid green in color. there's a gene that allows 20% of lizards to be born with brown markings on their skin, which allows them to blend with the surrounding better and avoid predators. 80% of their offspring will also have these markings, keeping them safe. As time progresses, more green lizards get eaten then ones with brown markings. So the green ones are eventually wiped out, leaving the brown marking ones as the "evolved" and improved version.

Again, there's a lot more to it than that, and it takes a long damn time, but that's my take on evolution without google

That being said, believe what you want, everyone out there has that right. I don't see why everyone has to push their beliefs on everyone else. Live and let live. You want to believe in God, GREAT! You want to believe in Evolution, GREAT! I don't care

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: MrWizzard
It's crazy that in a FREE country people can believe what they want huh!

Yeah, WTF, this country was formed by atheists damn it! When did all these Christians get here?

isn't it kind of funny that it was a country founded without religion, and yet now this country is now one of the most religious in the world. but Britain and states in Europe in general were founded on religion, had large-scale religious wars and massacres because of religion, and now the citizens of those european states are some of the least religious people?

Well, I was being sarcastic.

If you look at my sig, that was George Washington who said that. The Declaration of Independence, in fact, is littered with references to God. Clearly it was their belief that largely motivated and strengthened the resolve of the signers decisions.

You may not have ever stopped to ponder this, but Christianity dictates a secular government and that is what our religeous founding father created. Free will is at the core of Christianity. Which is what is so distastedful about people attacking any and every reference to God or the Bible they find anywere on Public land. That Christian iconography should make you feel secure knowing that it INSISTS you always have your civil liberties and that your right to be atheist or Christian or Buddhist or nothing be guarded. You cannot, in fact, be a believer unless you have the reasonable option of not believing.

I think I can actually hear Jefferson rolling over in his grave....

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: BigRig04

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: nick1985

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: nick1985
Lets see, one has massive amounts of evidence to support it...and the other has 0 evidence. Man, this is a tough call...

What evidence? Pigs teeth?

You cant honestly deny all the evidence to support evolution...can you?

Again I ask. What evidence?

You are so secure in your belief I'm sure you can name off a few dozen piece of evidence.

Also, since Manofwar disappeared, perhaps you could explain for me, in your own words without googling it, exactly how evolution works. Again, you are so secure in your belief and you wouldn't be unless you had a full working understanding of the process, right? You don't just believe it because all your teachers and peers do, right?

I'll give my quick opinion on it..

I'll start with something we all know, say a lizard. Lizard is solid green in color. there's a gene that allows 20% of lizards to be born with brown markings on their skin, which allows them to blend with the surrounding better and avoid predators. 80% of their offspring will also have these markings, keeping them safe. As time progresses, more green lizards get eaten then ones with brown markings. So the green ones are eventually wiped out, leaving the brown marking ones as the "evolved" and improved version.

Again, there's a lot more to it than that, and it takes a long damn time, but that's my take on evolution without google

That being said, believe what you want, everyone out there has that right. I don't see why everyone has to push their beliefs on everyone else. Live and let live. You want to believe in God, GREAT! You want to believe in Evolution, GREAT! I don't care

That's natual selection. Try again. How does a lizard turn into a dog?

 

[BeauJangles]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
That's natual selection. Try again. How does a lizard turn into a dog?

A lizard doesn't turn into a dog. Natural selection is the process by which evolution works.

edit: I shouldn't be trite about it. A lizard doesn't magically just 'turn into' a dog. Evolution, loosely, is the process by which genetic changes are passed down from generation to generation of a group of living things. Genetic mutations (which can be errors introduced in DNA replication or by another agent such as radiation) are made more frequent or rare within a population via natural selection. These mutations, given enough time, produce new 'species' within a population.

 

[BigRig04]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: BigRig04

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: nick1985

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: nick1985
Lets see, one has massive amounts of evidence to support it...and the other has 0 evidence. Man, this is a tough call...

What evidence? Pigs teeth?

You cant honestly deny all the evidence to support evolution...can you?

Again I ask. What evidence?

You are so secure in your belief I'm sure you can name off a few dozen piece of evidence.

Also, since Manofwar disappeared, perhaps you could explain for me, in your own words without googling it, exactly how evolution works. Again, you are so secure in your belief and you wouldn't be unless you had a full working understanding of the process, right? You don't just believe it because all your teachers and peers do, right?

I'll give my quick opinion on it..

I'll start with something we all know, say a lizard. Lizard is solid green in color. there's a gene that allows 20% of lizards to be born with brown markings on their skin, which allows them to blend with the surrounding better and avoid predators. 80% of their offspring will also have these markings, keeping them safe. As time progresses, more green lizards get eaten then ones with brown markings. So the green ones are eventually wiped out, leaving the brown marking ones as the "evolved" and improved version.

Again, there's a lot more to it than that, and it takes a long damn time, but that's my take on evolution without google

That being said, believe what you want, everyone out there has that right. I don't see why everyone has to push their beliefs on everyone else. Live and let live. You want to believe in God, GREAT! You want to believe in Evolution, GREAT! I don't care

That's natual selection. Try again. How does a lizard turn into a dog?

Well, if you want to take it to extreme long terms (which is i guess what we're talking about) ...it turns into a really drawn out process...Lizard species slowly gets bigger as "natural selection" takes place, and, for example, an ice age comes along and cools the earth...then the 2% of lizards with a different type of skin survive. As the cold front continues, the skin develops fur to go with it. It's an extremely simplified explaination, but that's about as far as I can go without writing a book (bible? ) describing the whole ordeal.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: BigRig04

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: nick1985

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: nick1985
Lets see, one has massive amounts of evidence to support it...and the other has 0 evidence. Man, this is a tough call...

What evidence? Pigs teeth?

You cant honestly deny all the evidence to support evolution...can you?

Again I ask. What evidence?

You are so secure in your belief I'm sure you can name off a few dozen piece of evidence.

Also, since Manofwar disappeared, perhaps you could explain for me, in your own words without googling it, exactly how evolution works. Again, you are so secure in your belief and you wouldn't be unless you had a full working understanding of the process, right? You don't just believe it because all your teachers and peers do, right?

I'll give my quick opinion on it..

I'll start with something we all know, say a lizard. Lizard is solid green in color. there's a gene that allows 20% of lizards to be born with brown markings on their skin, which allows them to blend with the surrounding better and avoid predators. 80% of their offspring will also have these markings, keeping them safe. As time progresses, more green lizards get eaten then ones with brown markings. So the green ones are eventually wiped out, leaving the brown marking ones as the "evolved" and improved version.

Again, there's a lot more to it than that, and it takes a long damn time, but that's my take on evolution without google

That being said, believe what you want, everyone out there has that right. I don't see why everyone has to push their beliefs on everyone else. Live and let live. You want to believe in God, GREAT! You want to believe in Evolution, GREAT! I don't care

That's natual selection. Try again. How does a lizard turn into a dog?

Natural selection is an evolutionary mechanism (one of several).

 

[squirrel dog]

Don't wear white after labor day !!:laugh:

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: BigRig04Lizard species slowly gets bigger as "natural selection" takes place,

don't forget that a better hip joint came about so that legs could support the weight of the body vertically rather than by pressing in from the side. (that is the easy way to tell the difference between dinosaurs and lizards, btw. and that same hip joint is used on all higher species - being birds and mammals).

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: nick1985
Without googling:

Look at the evidence from Olduvai Gorge (SP) In Eastern Africa. There is MASSIVE amounts of evidence from fossils dug up there that show that that is where humanity began. Look up the "out of africa" model for human dispersion throughout the world. Complete skeletons have been recovered that are Tens of THOUSANDS of years old (but the world is only 3k years old, so how can that be? ).

Look up "australopithecus" (sp).

Bah, Ive gotta go to practice, ill be back later. hopefully by then you have read up on the findings on Eastern Africa!


Not bad for no googling eh?

Yeah, saved by the bell, eh?

Australopithecus is what you've given me so far. That's quite a massive collection. how could anyone question that?

As far as australopithecus, there have been numerous studies done on it by evolutionist scientists and there is at best no concensus even amongst them that this is anything by an extinct ape species skull or possibly not even a bipedal animal.

Who believes the world is 3K years old? We have more recorded history than that. You serious think people think the world is that young? Nice hole you're living in. I think even the most hard core creationists are going to go with something more like 30K.

I'm starting to get the sense that you'r like almost every creationism mocking individual...........intellectually insecure and bitter towards organized religeon for some reason.