Cerpin Taxt
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You don't have to have abiogenesis to have imperfect replicators. Once you have imperfect replicators, you have evolution.
Gunslinger08
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DangerAardvark
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It should be pointed out that of that percentage who believe in Creationism, only a small minority believe it literally. Most people try to fit Evolution into the Genesis version of creation. So, it's really quite remarkable to find Evolution deniers here on ATOT. Statistically that is.
JulesMaximus
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Life changes rapidly during the early years-look at the birth of a child. It wouldn't surprise me if things changed much more slowly now than they did a couple billion years ago.
It seems as if only the effects of the Big Bang could have any hard evidence, because anything before it's effects would be resistant to scientific experimentation.
Again, if the Big Bang were feasible, why is the concept of God considered nothing more than a fairy tale?
Ya, because the conditions on earth today are exactly like they were some 4 billion years ago right? So obviously everything should act exactly as it did back then. And even if they weren't, we could certainly divine those conditions and conduct all the proper experiments perfectly. Because there's never a hard road, right? Well, theory disproved! :roll:[/quote]
Hahaha....precisely. You think the experiments haven't been performed? Even if they succeeded, they'd do more to prove creationism than evolution.
Think about it...it takes years of grueling, difficult research to get even the most primitive of reactions to occur. Does that not point to a creation? I'm pretty sure there were no grad students back then...
Cerpin Taxt
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You, sir, are one of the most willfully and belligerently ignorant personages I've encountered on the internet -- and I have debated countless creationists.
Educate yourself.
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-speciation.html
Gunslinger08
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I don't think you've reached the 'End of the Internet' then. HeroOfPellinor can type clearly and make coherent arguments. A very large amount of the people on the Internets cannot.
JulesMaximus
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No, but I prefer that my son be raised in an environment of science. I had religion forced down my throat as a child (and not by a Catholic priest
) and it didn't stick with me as something I should embrace. I don't think we should be teaching religion in our schools. Just because we recently changed religion to clash with science is enough of a reason for me to dismiss it. I went to church every week and learned about the bible when I was younger and there was none of this man and dinosaurs walked the earth together bullshit because it is utter nonsense.
BeauJangles
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Wrong-o, but nice try. A SCIENTIFIC theory is very different than your regular old run-of-the-mill generic theory. Scientific theories are not theories. They are tested and verified hypothesis about how a particular phenomena occurs. If you'd like the layman's definition a scientific theory is a fact. Gravity, relativity, quantum mechanics, evolution are all scientific theories... meaning scientists have accepted them as the laws or rules and would only revise them if evidence comes into play that refutes them.
So, the "theory" of evolution is, in fact, the scientifically accepted reason as to how we got to where we are today. There is no 'belief' involved in evolution, unless you count belief in the scientific method.
To address your last point, nothing in science is "proven." Gravity isn't "proven." Relativity isn't "proven" and neither is evolution. NOTHING in science is proven beyond all reasonable doubt because that is impossible.
What you choose to believe is entirely up to you, but don't go around thinking that there is any doubt among scientists as to the validity of evolution.
dennilfloss
Past Lifer 1957-2014 In Memoriam
As a paleontologist I stopped to bother debating creationists during the mid 80s when I realized we weren't talking the same language, heck using the same part of our brains. I was using arguments of science and the scientific method but their conviction is a matter of faith and literalism, not logic and evidence.
Cerpin Taxt
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We could falsify the Big Bang, in principle. That, and Big Bang cosmology actually explains things. Theism does not.
Cerpin Taxt
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BeauJangles
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See my post above. A scientific theory must put forth a testable hypothesis. The existence of god is not testable. Therefore, the belief that God created the universe is not a valid scientific hypothesis.
Cerpin Taxt
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JulesMaximus
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Gunslinger08
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Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
No, but I prefer that my son be raised in an environment of science. I had religion forced down my throat as a child (and not by a Catholic priest
Just because we recently changed religion to clash with science is enough of a reason for me to dismiss it. I went to church every week and learned about the bible when I was younger and there was none of this man and dinosaurs walked the earth together bullshit because it is utter nonsense.
You stated earlier that you were bothered by a theme park dedicated to ultra conservative Christianity and you refer to the Bible Belt as a wasteland. You seem to have more of a stake in this than "worrying about your child." For some reason you're angry that people have beliefs that don't coincide with your own. I agree that their ideas are ridiculous, but it's not like it threatens your way of life.
BeauJangles
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JulesMaximus
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Originally posted by: joshsquall
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
No, but I prefer that my son be raised in an environment of science. I had religion forced down my throat as a child (and not by a Catholic priest
Just because we recently changed religion to clash with science is enough of a reason for me to dismiss it. I went to church every week and learned about the bible when I was younger and there was none of this man and dinosaurs walked the earth together bullshit because it is utter nonsense.
You stated earlier that you were bothered by a theme park dedicated to ultra conservative Christianity and you refer to the Bible Belt as a wasteland. You seem to have more of a stake in this than "worrying about your child." For some reason you're angry that people have beliefs that don't coincide with your own. I agree that their ideas are ridiculous, but it's not like it threatens your way of life.
So long as they aren't preaching it to my son in school. Still, if you ask me about it or if you ask me to have an honest conversation with you about it I'm likely to just dismiss you as a religious nutball.
I don't think the space between the east and west coast are entirely a wasteland...but quite a bit of it is.
DrPizza
Administrator Elite Member Goat Whisperer
Originally posted by: joshsquall
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
No, but I prefer that my son be raised in an environment of science. I had religion forced down my throat as a child (and not by a Catholic priest
Just because we recently changed religion to clash with science is enough of a reason for me to dismiss it. I went to church every week and learned about the bible when I was younger and there was none of this man and dinosaurs walked the earth together bullshit because it is utter nonsense.
You stated earlier that you were bothered by a theme park dedicated to ultra conservative Christianity and you refer to the Bible Belt as a wasteland. You seem to have more of a stake in this than "worrying about your child." For some reason you're angry that people have beliefs that don't coincide with your own. I agree that their ideas are ridiculous, but it's not like it threatens your way of life.
Actually, when the ignorant who choose to remain uneducated, who refuse to examine the facts, who ignore all of the evidence and refuse to even acknowledge its existence unless the scientific community serves it up on a silver platter for them, and who even then lack the educational background to understand the evidence presented before them and decide on the basis of their own ignorance that since they can't comprehend it, it must therefore be false - when these ignorant people meet in sufficient numbers and start dictating government policy which affects me and the future of my children, that's when it threatens my way of life.
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: joshsquall
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
No, but I prefer that my son be raised in an environment of science. I had religion forced down my throat as a child (and not by a Catholic priest
Just because we recently changed religion to clash with science is enough of a reason for me to dismiss it. I went to church every week and learned about the bible when I was younger and there was none of this man and dinosaurs walked the earth together bullshit because it is utter nonsense.
You stated earlier that you were bothered by a theme park dedicated to ultra conservative Christianity and you refer to the Bible Belt as a wasteland. You seem to have more of a stake in this than "worrying about your child." For some reason you're angry that people have beliefs that don't coincide with your own. I agree that their ideas are ridiculous, but it's not like it threatens your way of life.
So long as they aren't preaching it to my son in school. Still, if you ask me about it or if you ask me to have an honest conversation with you about it I'm likely to just dismiss you as a religious nutball.
I don't think the space between the east and west coast are entirely a wasteland...but quite a bit of it is.
Hey, i resent that! Minnesota FTW!
Gunslinger08
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Originally posted by: DrPizza
Originally posted by: joshsquall
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
No, but I prefer that my son be raised in an environment of science. I had religion forced down my throat as a child (and not by a Catholic priest
Just because we recently changed religion to clash with science is enough of a reason for me to dismiss it. I went to church every week and learned about the bible when I was younger and there was none of this man and dinosaurs walked the earth together bullshit because it is utter nonsense.
You stated earlier that you were bothered by a theme park dedicated to ultra conservative Christianity and you refer to the Bible Belt as a wasteland. You seem to have more of a stake in this than "worrying about your child." For some reason you're angry that people have beliefs that don't coincide with your own. I agree that their ideas are ridiculous, but it's not like it threatens your way of life.
Actually, when the ignorant who choose to remain uneducated, who refuse to examine the facts, who ignore all of the evidence and refuse to even acknowledge its existence unless the scientific community serves it up on a silver platter for them, and who even then lack the educational background to understand the evidence presented before them and decide on the basis of their own ignorance that since they can't comprehend it, it must therefore be false - when these ignorant people meet in sufficient numbers and start dictating government policy which affects me and the future of my children, that's when it threatens my way of life.
I believe that is the longest sentence I've ever read.
So
Lifer
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Originally posted by: joshsquall
Originally posted by: DrPizza
Originally posted by: joshsquall
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
No, but I prefer that my son be raised in an environment of science. I had religion forced down my throat as a child (and not by a Catholic priest
Just because we recently changed religion to clash with science is enough of a reason for me to dismiss it. I went to church every week and learned about the bible when I was younger and there was none of this man and dinosaurs walked the earth together bullshit because it is utter nonsense.
You stated earlier that you were bothered by a theme park dedicated to ultra conservative Christianity and you refer to the Bible Belt as a wasteland. You seem to have more of a stake in this than "worrying about your child." For some reason you're angry that people have beliefs that don't coincide with your own. I agree that their ideas are ridiculous, but it's not like it threatens your way of life.
Actually, when the ignorant who choose to remain uneducated, who refuse to examine the facts, who ignore all of the evidence and refuse to even acknowledge its existence unless the scientific community serves it up on a silver platter for them, and who even then lack the educational background to understand the evidence presented before them and decide on the basis of their own ignorance that since they can't comprehend it, it must therefore be false - when these ignorant people meet in sufficient numbers and start dictating government policy which affects me and the future of my children, that's when it threatens my way of life.
I believe that is the longest sentence I've ever read.
then you've got some work ahead of you...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longest_English_sentence
At least evolutionary therory has a premise based on carbondating. The bibles primary source is 'the septuagent'.
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