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[HombrePequeno]

It appears this would allow states to offer in-state tuition to illegal aliens but not force them to.

 

[PieIsAwesome]

This can be both good and bad. There are some illegal residents that do contribute to their state of residency through taxes, and some that don't. It would be fair for those that do to gain the benefits of the taxes they pay, but not for those that don't. Trouble is that there doesn't seem to be any aim to differentiate between the two.

 

[MadRat]

I've got an even better idea than paying their tuition. How about on our tax return we get the box to spend $3 of your own taxes on sending illegals back home!

 

[jhbball]

The mexicans stole my learning.

 

[rchiu]

Originally posted by: Socio

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: jrenz
Breakdown of all the travesties in the new bill

How exactly are these travesties? You guys are up in arms about illegals leaching from our tax system, so I thought you would welcome a chance to collect fees and taxes from illegals?

Like most Americans I did think that way until I learned the truth; The fact most illegal?s and legal?s are low wage workers, after they get the new visa , each head of house hold will only contribute a average $1500 in taxes and take an average $17,000- $19,000 in free services a year. They qualify for $10,000 a year in welfare right off the bat, toss in schooling for their kids, low income housing, free (no deductible, no co-pay) health care, relief from high energy bills, etc.. it adds up quick.

Because of this the whole system needs to be restructured; They should not get visa?s and should be deported, and only let back in as guest workers who rely on their own governments for such benefits and sent back home when the work they contracted for is done.

Further more no one should be considered for citizenship unless they can show with out any doubt they will not be a burden to the country. Meaning they are financially well off enough to survive in this country with out utilizing free government services.

Our poor should come before anyone elses.

Heh, yeah don't you think if the US has the resources and the man power to catch and deport illegal immigrants, that would have been done already?

All the talk to deportation is useless because there is no way the US has the resource to deport 12M+ illegal immigrant. And deportation won't cure the problem, you deport them, they will be back in a sec with the boarder security as it is today.

There is no way to deal with immigration problem unless the US secure it's border first, that will be a huge, costly and time consuming project by itself. Once the border is secured, and assuming the US did a good job, we can stop the bleeding and limit the number of illegal immigrations. You can't really have a policy to deal with illegal immigrants until the border is secured. Tough deportation won't work because they will only come back, soft amnesty won't work because it will only attract more illegal immigration.

While the US politicians continues to talk and do nothing about the border security, I'd say let illegal immigrants have legal ways to stay in the US, work, contribute to the society. You can't deal with the problem, you might as well let the problem becomes something useful. I have no problem with giving them in-state tuition, if that is given to all legal resident or US citizen. But I don't see why they should get preferential treatment that other legal resident/US citizen don't get.

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: episodic

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: senseamp
I don't see a problem, as long as they stay in America and contribute to the society after getting their degrees. Much better problem to have than what other countries have, which is they are educating their best students only to have them leave to the US and contribute to our society and not the one that invested a lot of money educating them.

Problem is.. they are receiving privileges that Natural Born citizens DON'T EVEN RECEIVE... I guess that is acceptable?

people whose families have lived here for generations and whose families have lost members IN WARS protecting this nation don't even receive these benefits

AND .. too many illegals suck our welfare system dry

What benefits would those be? Natural born residents of my state get instate tuition.

Gee.. what if they moved to the state next to yours? Or.. if their children went to school in a different state

What about the welfare and health care and food stamps and section 8 housing?

Keep it on topic.
Why should they be eligible for instate tuition if they moved out of state?

So why should a legal immigrant here on a study visa have to pay out of state costs? They are from another country just like the illegal immigrants here.

because they are from another country and haven't lived in the state like the illegal immigrants who may have resided here for many years

Also, depending on the state - you can move into a state and have to be there for so long before you can be considered for instate tuition. I doubt they will make the same checks here. For instance where I'm from you have to live in the state for 1 calendar year before you can receive instate tuition.

Bottom line they are from somewhere else with no residency in the state of any kind.

I'd like to know your definition of residency. These people live in the state for many years, that seems like residency to me. You think they just jump accross the fence from Mexico and immediately know English to a level needed to get into college? I'd like to see how many illegals are actually getting a college education, instate tuition or otherwise.

 

[MadRat]

Has anyone ever though dumping money into the higher education system is what is making the US system suck? Ever since the money has been flowing there for students then the tuitions have soared and very little proper investment has taken place. I'd rather see money invested into research and taken out of tuition assistance.

 

[StageLeft]

Of course. Their kids already get tons of free schooling and in some cases districts have to hire bilingual teachers to appease the fact their kids can't speak English.

All on the backs of yours and mine tax dollars. I still have other citizenships to bail out of the US once its citizens have done screwing it up through various things such as blessing the 1-2M influx of uneducated low-wage tax-anchors every year.

You people are letting it happen, time to sleep in the bed you're making.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: senseamp
I don't see a problem, as long as they stay in America and contribute to the society after getting their degrees. Much better problem to have than what other countries have, which is they are educating their best students only to have them leave to the US and contribute to our society and not the one that invested a lot of money educating them.

Problem is.. they are receiving privileges that Natural Born citizens DON'T EVEN RECEIVE... I guess that is acceptable?

people whose families have lived here for generations and whose families have lost members IN WARS protecting this nation don't even receive these benefits

AND .. too many illegals suck our welfare system dry

What benefits would those be? Natural born citizens of my state get instate tuition.

fixed for you.