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[Pabster]

Originally posted by: michaels
I didn't catch the whole story, but I have heard this before. Our ****** politicians have tacked on to some bill that will let illegals get instate tuition costs in all states, currently some states prohibit this even though 10 or 11 defy this law. That's nice that an illegal can get an instate tuition price yet a legal resident doesn't catch the same break. Someone please fill me in if I got this wrong.

Arkansas, right? I'm not surprised.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: BDawg

Originally posted by: michaels
Yeah I agree if they are legal.

These people aren't going away. There will not be round-ups of illegals. If we can make them educated members of society and citizens, everyone will be better off.

How about we educate and aid our own citizens and let the other countries worry about their own?

That doesn't really mesh with the Bush administration's policy of dumping $1 trillion into Iraq over a decade.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: jrenz
Breakdown of all the travesties in the new bill

How exactly are these travesties? You guys are up in arms about illegals leaching from our tax system, so I thought you would welcome a chance to collect fees and taxes from illegals?

 

[babylon5]

If you got poor relatives overseas, tell them come now to get free citizenship, free college.

Do your part, start posting on internet let everyone on earth knows they can come to America for free stuff.

 

[Socio]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: jrenz
Breakdown of all the travesties in the new bill

How exactly are these travesties? You guys are up in arms about illegals leaching from our tax system, so I thought you would welcome a chance to collect fees and taxes from illegals?

Like most Americans I did think that way until I learned the truth; The fact most illegal?s and legal?s are low wage workers, after they get the new visa , each head of house hold will only contribute a average $1500 in taxes and take an average $17,000- $19,000 in free services a year. They qualify for $10,000 a year in welfare right off the bat, toss in schooling for their kids, low income housing, free (no deductible, no co-pay) health care, relief from high energy bills, etc.. it adds up quick.

Because of this the whole system needs to be restructured; They should not get visa?s and should be deported, and only let back in as guest workers who rely on their own governments for such benefits and sent back home when the work they contracted for is done.

Further more no one should be considered for citizenship unless they can show with out any doubt they will not be a burden to the country. Meaning they are financially well off enough to survive in this country with out utilizing free government services.

Our poor should come before anyone elses.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Socio
Like most Americans I did think that way until I learned the truth; The fact most illegal?s and legal?s are low wage workers, after they get the new visa , each head of house hold will only contribute a average $1500 in taxes and take an average $17,000- $19,000 in free services a year. They qualify for $10,000 a year in welfare right off the bat, toss in schooling for their kids, low income housing, free (no deductible, no co-pay) health care, relief from high energy bills, etc.. it adds up quick.

Because of this the whole system needs to be restructured; They should not get visa?s and should be deported, and only let back in as guest workers who rely on their own governments for such benefits and sent back home when the work they contracted for is done.

Further more no one should be considered for citizenship unless they can show with out any doubt they will not be a burden to the country. Meaning they are financially well off enough to survive in this country with out utilizing free government services.

Our poor should come before anyone elses.

There are two choices:

Continue as is.

Collect taxes.

Face it; there will never be a roundup of the illegals currently here.

I'd rather collect something than nothing at all.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
I'd rather collect something than nothing at all.

I agree with that, but I think it is disgusting that we have to settle for that. I'd much rather see proper enforcement of the laws on the books.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: jpeyton
I'd rather collect something than nothing at all.

I agree with that, but I think it is disgusting that we have to settle for that. I'd much rather see proper enforcement of the laws on the books.

We would have to mobilize more troops than we have in Iraq if we wanted to enforce all our immigration laws.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: Socio

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: jrenz
Breakdown of all the travesties in the new bill

How exactly are these travesties? You guys are up in arms about illegals leaching from our tax system, so I thought you would welcome a chance to collect fees and taxes from illegals?

Like most Americans I did think that way until I learned the truth; The fact most illegal?s and legal?s are low wage workers, after they get the new visa , each head of house hold will only contribute a average $1500 in taxes and take an average $17,000- $19,000 in free services a year. They qualify for $10,000 a year in welfare right off the bat, toss in schooling for their kids, low income housing, free (no deductible, no co-pay) health care, relief from high energy bills, etc.. it adds up quick.

Because of this the whole system needs to be restructured; They should not get visa?s and should be deported, and only let back in as guest workers who rely on their own governments for such benefits and sent back home when the work they contracted for is done.

Further more no one should be considered for citizenship unless they can show with out any doubt they will not be a burden to the country. Meaning they are financially well off enough to survive in this country with out utilizing free government services.

Our poor should come before anyone elses.

strong arguements. I never can or will understand how so many people on this board think and belive that illegal immigration is good for our country. either they are just trolling or they are just plain ignorant on the facts.

 

[kapoww]

Originally posted by: Citrix

strong arguements. I never can or will understand how so many people on this board think and belive that illegal immigration is good for our country. either they are just trolling or they are just plain ignorant on the facts.

I've always wondered the same thing. When this bill passes(zero doubt in my mind)nothing will change except 12-20+ million illegals will instantly be citizens. They still won't learn English nor assimilate. They will demand more, wave their flags in our faces and prove to the world America is nothing but a push over. Who benefits from this besides big biz and the illegals?

What does Bush have to lose at this point though anyways? With his pathetic approval ratings he needs to make something big happen. He's already a failure to the real American people but he'll be a savior to the millions of used-to-be illegals. On second thought amnesty probably won't be enough and the shameless illegals will protest for some other ridiculous right they shouldn't be asking for in the first place.

 

[jpeyton]

12-20 million more potential voters in November 2008.

 

[Socio]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
12-20 million more potential voters in November 2008.

Correct, most of whom will vote democrat and push us closer to a one party nation which will be disastrous to say the least.

 

[theeedude]

I don't see a problem, as long as they stay in America and contribute to the society after getting their degrees. Much better problem to have than what other countries have, which is they are educating their best students only to have them leave to the US and contribute to our society and not the one that invested a lot of money educating them.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: BDawg

Originally posted by: michaels
Yeah I agree if they are legal.

These people aren't going away. There will not be round-ups of illegals. If we can make them educated members of society and citizens, everyone will be better off.

How about we educate and aid our own citizens and let the other countries worry about their own?

We aren't willing to do that. You want to know why our people will live in increased poverty this century, look no further to our own laws and our special treatment for the third world as over a million immigrate here every single year. That?ll be one cause.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
12-20 million more potential voters in November 2008.

Regan was told it was 1 million. He got 3 instantly and 5 later on. If that same holds true today, we're looking at 30+ million already here with 25 to still come in the next 10 years.

Our country will consist of 100 million illegals in our lifetimes, NOT counting any of their children. A new separate nation will be born, Del Norte. This is also how it?s taught in the University of New Mexico, the preaching of the new nation cut out from us.

http://www.unm.edu/~ecdn/

 

[babylon5]

We know why greedy Republicans want illegals, cheap labors. As for Democrats, they want to import a huge uneducated poor class to get votes, force people work near slave wages in poor condition. Keep them poor serve Democrats interest. It's really sinister. We will end up with a country fill with rich and poor much sooner. God knows what will happen then.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: babylon5
We know why greedy Republicans want illegals, cheap labors. As for Democrats, they want to import a huge uneducated poor class to get votes, force people work near slave wages in poor condition. Keep them poor serve Democrats interest. It's really sinister. We will end up with a country fill with rich and poor much sooner. God knows what will happen then.

Violence always ensures when people are in despair. I really doubt anyone will stop the coming events.

 

[Socio]

Originally posted by: babylon5
It's really sinister. We will end up with a country fill with rich and poor much sooner. God knows what will happen then.

You do realize you are describing Mexico, Central and South America today in a nut shell.

After this happens the only place for our poor to go is further north for a better livelihood and Canada will fall victim to our grievous immigration mistakes.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: senseamp
I don't see a problem, as long as they stay in America and contribute to the society after getting their degrees. Much better problem to have than what other countries have, which is they are educating their best students only to have them leave to the US and contribute to our society and not the one that invested a lot of money educating them.

Problem is.. they are receiving privileges that Natural Born citizens DON'T EVEN RECEIVE... I guess that is acceptable?

people whose families have lived here for generations and whose families have lost members IN WARS protecting this nation don't even receive these benefits

AND .. too many illegals suck our welfare system dry

 

[babylon5]

Socio you're right, we see it happening already. Brazil is good example...riches live behind gated houses with security guards. They fly to work in downtown via helicopter because of rampant kidnapping. Brazil is good example of what happened when a country has too many poor people, and government are letting the entire society down.

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: senseamp
I don't see a problem, as long as they stay in America and contribute to the society after getting their degrees. Much better problem to have than what other countries have, which is they are educating their best students only to have them leave to the US and contribute to our society and not the one that invested a lot of money educating them.

Problem is.. they are receiving privileges that Natural Born citizens DON'T EVEN RECEIVE... I guess that is acceptable?

people whose families have lived here for generations and whose families have lost members IN WARS protecting this nation don't even receive these benefits

AND .. too many illegals suck our welfare system dry

What benefits would those be? Natural born residents of my state get instate tuition.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: senseamp
I don't see a problem, as long as they stay in America and contribute to the society after getting their degrees. Much better problem to have than what other countries have, which is they are educating their best students only to have them leave to the US and contribute to our society and not the one that invested a lot of money educating them.

Problem is.. they are receiving privileges that Natural Born citizens DON'T EVEN RECEIVE... I guess that is acceptable?

people whose families have lived here for generations and whose families have lost members IN WARS protecting this nation don't even receive these benefits

AND .. too many illegals suck our welfare system dry

What benefits would those be? Natural born residents of my state get instate tuition.

Gee.. what if they moved to the state next to yours? Or.. if their children went to school in a different state

What about the welfare and health care and food stamps and section 8 housing?

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: senseamp
I don't see a problem, as long as they stay in America and contribute to the society after getting their degrees. Much better problem to have than what other countries have, which is they are educating their best students only to have them leave to the US and contribute to our society and not the one that invested a lot of money educating them.

Problem is.. they are receiving privileges that Natural Born citizens DON'T EVEN RECEIVE... I guess that is acceptable?

people whose families have lived here for generations and whose families have lost members IN WARS protecting this nation don't even receive these benefits

AND .. too many illegals suck our welfare system dry

What benefits would those be? Natural born residents of my state get instate tuition.

Gee.. what if they moved to the state next to yours? Or.. if their children went to school in a different state

What about the welfare and health care and food stamps and section 8 housing?

Keep it on topic.
Why should they be eligible for instate tuition if they moved out of state?

 

[iamaelephant]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: senseamp
I don't see a problem, as long as they stay in America and contribute to the society after getting their degrees. Much better problem to have than what other countries have, which is they are educating their best students only to have them leave to the US and contribute to our society and not the one that invested a lot of money educating them.

Problem is.. they are receiving privileges that Natural Born citizens DON'T EVEN RECEIVE... I guess that is acceptable?

people whose families have lived here for generations and whose families have lost members IN WARS protecting this nation don't even receive these benefits

AND .. too many illegals suck our welfare system dry

What on Earth are you talking about? What is it you think they are receiving that natural born Americans aren't?

 

[episodic]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: senseamp
I don't see a problem, as long as they stay in America and contribute to the society after getting their degrees. Much better problem to have than what other countries have, which is they are educating their best students only to have them leave to the US and contribute to our society and not the one that invested a lot of money educating them.

Problem is.. they are receiving privileges that Natural Born citizens DON'T EVEN RECEIVE... I guess that is acceptable?

people whose families have lived here for generations and whose families have lost members IN WARS protecting this nation don't even receive these benefits

AND .. too many illegals suck our welfare system dry

What benefits would those be? Natural born residents of my state get instate tuition.

Gee.. what if they moved to the state next to yours? Or.. if their children went to school in a different state

What about the welfare and health care and food stamps and section 8 housing?

Keep it on topic.
Why should they be eligible for instate tuition if they moved out of state?

So why should a legal immigrant here on a study visa have to pay out of state costs? They are from another country just like the illegal immigrants here.

Also, depending on the state - you can move into a state and have to be there for so long before you can be considered for instate tuition. I doubt they will make the same checks here. For instance where I'm from you have to live in the state for 1 calendar year before you can receive instate tuition.

Bottom line they are from somewhere else with no residency in the state of any kind.