I didn't catch the whole story, but I have heard this before. Our ****** politicians have tacked on to some bill that will let illegals get instate tuition costs in all states, currently some states prohibit this even though 10 or 11 defy this law. That's nice that an illegal can get an instate tuition price yet a legal resident doesn't catch the same break. Someone please fill me in if I got this wrong.
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It would be a real shame to help people in a disadvantaged class go to college and try to improve their situation.
These people aren't going away. There will not be round-ups of illegals. If we can make them educated members of society and citizens, everyone will be better off.
Yes, they instantly get access to just about everything:
5-24-2007 Legal Implications of the Immigration Compromise
Lets just import the whole damn world and pay their way through college. I'll even volunteer your tax dollars to do it. The real shame is that an illegel alien can do it, but I cant.
Lets not forget that with the earned income credit we will be basically paying these large illegal family's 40,000 over the 8 years that this bill would cover.
When congress can enforce the laws on the books then perhaps I can believe that these 'trigger's talked about in the bill could have any possibility of being enforced. As it is now the benefits are immediate and the checks on making sure everything is above board are 'sometime in the future' This will never happen. As I heard on the radio today. It will basically turn boarder enforcement into a Z-Visa processing force. Kinda like turning the DEA in an needle distribution organization.
When congress can follow the current regs then perhaps I can have some faith in this ever going like it is supposed to. I really doubt it.
When congress can enforce the laws on the books then perhaps I can believe that these 'trigger's talked about in the bill could have any possibility of being enforced. As it is now the benefits are immediate and the checks on making sure everything is above board are 'sometime in the future' This will never happen. As I heard on the radio today. It will basically turn boarder enforcement into a Z-Visa processing force. Kinda like turning the DEA in an needle distribution organization.
When congress can follow the current regs then perhaps I can have some faith in this ever going like it is supposed to. I really doubt it.
The whole idea of this bill is to reform or reset the already 12 million some illegal immigrants that are in the country right now. The instate tuition thing is part of that bill. It's a double edge deal in the fact that if the senate dosen't pass legalazing the immigrants at least they could pass something that will allow them in state tuition. Meaning have the same opportunaty as others. If we legalize them they can pay in state tuition as well. So either way it makes no difference.
Yeah that is because she is not a resident of colorado. illegals will be given residencey status of the state that they reside in. So an illegal that lives in maryland for the required 1 year to establish residencey can get in state tuition IN MARYLAND. He/she will have to pay out of state to go to colorado just like your daugter. So this is not a free for all...
This Z-visa thing really is just a way for Bush to get money. Imagine more then 5,000 per illegal and when they do (if they) get a great card (around 4 to 5K more). This is for covering Iraq. But the white house agreed with this. You republicans you like your money right?????
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Yes this really svcks. As someone said in some other post, the Dems and the GOP have switched from one side to the other many times on many issues in the last 100 years. It's obvious the GOP is moving quickly towards the open border policy, which really irks me. Not the just the GOP but Dems as well. I wish one party or the other would take a hard line stance on this. But, alas, I dont see it happenening soon.
BTW another disturbing part of this bill is that illegals that move towards a Z Visa get access to immigration attorneys - paid for by us. Grrrrrrrrrr
BTW another disturbing part of this bill is that illegals that move towards a Z Visa get access to immigration attorneys - paid for by us. Grrrrrrrrrr
Do they get in-state tuition AFTER they've gone back to their home country, applied for entry and paid their fines or do they get it as soon as the bill becomes law?
Because the first is fine - at that point they're citizens like anyone else - while the second is a bunch of crap.
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I wonder about the Constitutionality of such benefits. Wouldn't it violate the equal protection clause?
Generally, the question of whether the equal protection clause has been violated arises when a state grants a particular class of individuals the right to engage in activity yet denies other individuals the same right. There is no clear rule for deciding when a classification is unconstitutional. The Supreme Court has dictated the application of different tests depending on the type of classification and its effect on fundamental rights. Traditionally, the Court finds a state classification constitutional if it has "a rational basis" to a "legitimate state purpose." The Supreme Court, however, has applied more stringent analysis in certain cases. It will "strictly scrutinize" a distinction when it embodies a "suspect classification." In order for a classification to be subject to strict scrutiny, it must be shown that the state law or its administration is meant to discriminate. Usually, if a purpose to discriminate is found the classification will be strictly scrutinized if it is based on race, national origin, or, in some situations, non U.S. citizenship (the suspect classes). In order for a classification to be found permissible under this test it must be proven, by the state, that there is a compelling interest to the law and that the classification is necessary to further that interest. The Court will also apply a strict scrutiny test if the classification interferes with fundamental rights such as first amendment rights, the right to privacy, or the right to travel. The Supreme Court also requires states to show more than a rational basis (though it does not apply the strictly scrutiny test) for classifications based on gender or a child's status as illegitimate.
Seems to me if a state, say, Arizona, gives in-state tuition to some persons who aren't technically in-state residents (illegal or not) while denying it to others, that's a clear violation.
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